Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Prokorov]

Oh, without a doubt, you are giving up the best player and we are getting the best player.

That said, we aren't in salary cap hell like you are. You need relief, we are offering it and we are also taking on by far the biggest risk. We will go into the tax for an injury prone player. And you get cap relief and a strong player in Stephenson.

To be honest, I'm surprised that Charlotte is so hung ho about it, but they apparently love Jeremy Lamb, which is great by me.

I just think it makes sense for all sides. Do we get the best end is the deal? Yeah. But the trade is still a plus for you as well.

We arent in salary cap hell, and this trade doesnt really help our cap situation. our situation is the same either way. we are over the cap with or without this move. everyone expires at the same time. our 2016 cap is clean, we just need to not take on salary.

i also think lopez is far from the best player in the deal and honestly think you are better off with perkins

[Prokorov]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

it is a 100% certainty lopez will be traded.

it is just about where. i agree with you that it probably wont be OKC

[F3LON]

I really want the original proposed trade to happen of

Brook to OKC
Lamb/Jack to CHA
Stephenson/Perk to BKN

just would love to get another PG in the deal somewhere, especially Reggie, since we're losing Jack potentially

Reggie does nothing for us. He is gone next year if we got him since we arent going to spend 2016 money on a league average PG looking to cash in.

If we move Jack and get Reggie, I hope to god King understands he needs to resign Reggie. Even if it means cutting into 2016 money.

With Lopez gone, JJ becoming an expiring this summer, and maybe even with the chance to move Deron this summer or next season, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to give him a contract that goes through 2016. But everything within reason... if King thinks Jackson will demand big money, then I understand. But I can't see Jackson getting more than 8 million a year at most.

You are a bigger fan of Reggie then I am. Even at 8 mil I dont think he is worth it. He cant shoot and isnt much of a playmaker. We would need a 3rd team involved to make the OKC trade. I dont see many teams out West who would be willing to help in a trade that would keep KD in the West. I also dont see any of the teams who want KD in 2016 helping with a trade. That severely limits the trade market. Finding a team who needs a PG also makes it difficult.

So it needs to be an East team with PG needs and no chance at KD.

Indy - David West maybe? Roy Hibbert?
Milwaukee - Cant trade with them
Philly - Nothing worth trading for
Miami - They have Deng to offer but I think BK has learned his lesson about trading for aging SFs

OKC doesnt have enough to get Lopez unless we are willing to do the Charlotte deal.

[Prokorov]

If you guys are waiting for OKC to give, you're gonna be waitin a while. Lopez is staying a Net most likely (at least more likely than going to OKC).

I doubt that. Your schedule this week is brutal and you need to win at a very high clip just to make the playoffs. You will bite first.

Sig bet?

OKC will not give more than at an absolute most Perk/Lamb/one of PJ III or McGary

And the schedule? Presti isn't the type to make an emotional move, and really I'm surprised this much leaked out, I can't remember another trade he's made when any info was out prior.

thats exactly what it would take... perk/lamb/PJ3. but i cant see OKC doing that

[Prokorov]

Uhhhh... I'm an OKC fan and I want Lopez. As does all the OKC fans I know.

Look, Lopez is the best player in the deal. No doubt. But there's not a huge market for him apparently because of injury history and his big salary. There's a reason Brooklyn almost took Perk/Lamb. Truth is, Stephenson is the best bet for you guys. You should pull that trigger. It makes sense for all three teams.

Again, OKC gets the biggest reward but they take the biggest risk. And you and Charlotte need relief.

if you think lopez is clearly the best player in this deal, you are in for a very rude awakening. I also dont see why OKC would want him since he is such a horrible fit. he ball stops and will take shots from russ and KD who are much better, and he is an enormous weak link in team defense, and doesnt rebound. he is basically the JR smith of centers.

[Prokorov]

This is why it's not happening. you want champagne on a beer budget. That's not enough unless a team like Charlotte gifts us a good player. That team is almost certainly going to have to be from the East since I dont see any West coast teams helping you. It's pretty much Lance or bust and Billy King doesnt want him.

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

mozgov wasnt owed 32 million + a trade kicker. he is also better then lopez

[Prokorov]

reggie jacksons name needs to stop being thrown out. OKC isnt going to trade him for lopez, that would be worse then the harden deal

[Prokorov]

Reggie does nothing for us. He is gone next year if we got him since we arent going to spend 2016 money on a league average PG looking to cash in.

If we move Jack and get Reggie, I hope to god King understands he needs to resign Reggie. Even if it means cutting into 2016 money.

With Lopez gone, JJ becoming an expiring this summer, and maybe even with the chance to move Deron this summer or next season, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to give him a contract that goes through 2016. But everything within reason... if King thinks Jackson will demand big money, then I understand. But I can't see Jackson getting more than 8 million a year at most.

You are a bigger fan of Reggie then I am. Even at 8 mil I dont think he is worth it. He cant shoot and isnt much of a playmaker. We would need a 3rd team involved to make the OKC trade. I dont see many teams out West who would be willing to help in a trade that would keep KD in the West. I also dont see any of the teams who want KD in 2016 helping with a trade. That severely limits the trade market. Finding a team who needs a PG also makes it difficult.

So it needs to be an East team with PG needs and no chance at KD.

Indy - David West maybe? Roy Hibbert?
Milwaukee - Cant trade with them
Philly - Nothing worth trading for
Miami - They have Deng to offer but I think BK has learned his lesson about trading for aging SFs

OKC doesnt have enough to get Lopez unless we are willing to do the Charlotte deal.

if we did by some miracle get reggie, it 100% makes sense to sign him. even if you gave him 4/40, you coul easily trade him in 2016 when he is owed 2/20 and is still young and probably better

[Keith Van Horn]

I'd hardly call Lopez champagne, but that's one way of putting it. Honestly, most OKC fans don't want Lopez, and that's even more than I'd give for him.

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

mozgov wasnt owed 32 million + a trade kicker. he is also better then lopez

Look at what I said after that. it's not always about the $ with teams, especially if they want to win now they want the right pieces. If contracts were an issue, then they wouldn't be looking to dump Perk and add an established player this season.

And as disappointing as Lopez has been, he is still a better player than Mozgov.

[Prokorov]

If Mozkov (avg 9/8) can net 2 first round picks, I'm sure Lopez (avg 16/6) can net something similar or better. But i guess it comes down to how desperate a team is to improve with the pieces they already have.

mozgov wasnt owed 32 million + a trade kicker. he is also better then lopez

Look at what I said after that. it's not always about the $ with teams, especially if they want to win now they want the right pieces. If contracts were an issue, then they wouldn't be looking to dump Perk and add an established player this season.

And as disappointing as Lopez has been, he is still a better player than Mozgov.

Money is certainly an issue. sure maybe OKC is willing to dump and expiring for brook, but most are not. mozgov having his contract being reasonable means many more teams interested means better compensation. it is also easier to match salary.

Also it is absurd to say lopez is better then mozgov. it really isnt even close.

[DarkXaero]

Prokorov

[F3LON]

I think Portland makes the most sense. We havent heard them mentioned but they are in the same boat as OKC. They want to make LMA happy and adding Lopez would be a good fit.

Lopez
Bogs

for

Wes Matthews
Thomas Robinson
Chris Kaman

Kaman would give us the postup ability that Lopez does off the bench and his salary is only 1mil guaranteed for next year. Robinson was a favorite of Billy King when he came out and he at worst is an expiring. Portland didnt pick up his option and he has seemingly fallen out of the Blazers future plans. Wes Matthews might not be glamorous but he is solid 3pt shooter and a decent defender.

Portland has been trying for years to pair LMA with an elite center. Lopez has played extremely well vs some of the teams Portland might face in the playoffs: Dallas and the Spurs. Plus they would be keeping Lopez away from OKC. Matthews is a good player but they will go as far as their front court takes them.

Proky, you need not respond to this post because we all know that you think Lopez isnt better then the ball boy.

[F3LON]

If we move Jack and get Reggie, I hope to god King understands he needs to resign Reggie. Even if it means cutting into 2016 money.

With Lopez gone, JJ becoming an expiring this summer, and maybe even with the chance to move Deron this summer or next season, it wouldn't be as big of a deal to give him a contract that goes through 2016. But everything within reason... if King thinks Jackson will demand big money, then I understand. But I can't see Jackson getting more than 8 million a year at most.

You are a bigger fan of Reggie then I am. Even at 8 mil I dont think he is worth it. He cant shoot and isnt much of a playmaker. We would need a 3rd team involved to make the OKC trade. I dont see many teams out West who would be willing to help in a trade that would keep KD in the West. I also dont see any of the teams who want KD in 2016 helping with a trade. That severely limits the trade market. Finding a team who needs a PG also makes it difficult.

So it needs to be an East team with PG needs and no chance at KD.

Indy - David West maybe? Roy Hibbert?
Milwaukee - Cant trade with them
Philly - Nothing worth trading for
Miami - They have Deng to offer but I think BK has learned his lesson about trading for aging SFs

OKC doesnt have enough to get Lopez unless we are willing to do the Charlotte deal.

if we did by some miracle get reggie, it 100% makes sense to sign him. even if you gave him 4/40, you could easily trade him in 2016 when he is owed 2/20 and is still young and probably better

You are confusing youth with skill. Reggie isnt that good. We would be stuck with a bad contract.

[F3LON]

Prokorov

[Prokorov]

I think Portland makes the most sense. We havent heard them mentioned but they are in the same boat as OKC. They want to make LMA happy and adding Lopez would be a good fit.

Lopez
Bogs

for

Wes Matthews
Thomas Robinson
Chris Kaman

Kaman would give us the postup ability that Lopez does off the bench and his salary is only 1mil guaranteed for next year. Robinson was a favorite of Billy King when he came out and he at worst is an expiring. Portland didnt pick up his option and he has seemingly fallen out of the Blazers future plans. Wes Matthews might not be glamorous but he is solid 3pt shooter and a decent defender.

Portland has been trying for years to pair LMA with an elite center. Lopez has played extremely well vs some of the teams Portland might face in the playoffs: Dallas and the Spurs. Plus they would be keeping Lopez away from OKC. Matthews is a good player but they will go as far as their front court takes them.

Proky, you need not respond to this post because we all know that you think Lopez isnt better then the ball boy.

I like this trade. wes matthews would be great for us at the 2. that would be a big boost. and Robinsons doesnt need to be great, we need bodies at PF

[F3LON]

I think Portland makes the most sense. We havent heard them mentioned but they are in the same boat as OKC. They want to make LMA happy and adding Lopez would be a good fit.

Lopez
Bogs

for

Wes Matthews
Thomas Robinson
Chris Kaman

Kaman would give us the postup ability that Lopez does off the bench and his salary is only 1mil guaranteed for next year. Robinson was a favorite of Billy King when he came out and he at worst is an expiring. Portland didnt pick up his option and he has seemingly fallen out of the Blazers future plans. Wes Matthews might not be glamorous but he is solid 3pt shooter and a decent defender.

Portland has been trying for years to pair LMA with an elite center. Lopez has played extremely well vs some of the teams Portland might face in the playoffs: Dallas and the Spurs. Plus they would be keeping Lopez away from OKC. Matthews is a good player but they will go as far as their front court takes them.

Proky, you need not respond to this post because we all know that you think Lopez isnt better then the ball boy.

I like this trade. wes matthews would be great for us at the 2. that would be a big boost. and Robinsons doesnt need to be great, we need bodies at PF

It's not sexy but it would help this year as well as in the future. We get see if Hollins can get anything out of Robinson. All he needs to be is better then Mirza which shouldnt be too difficult. Matthews fits well next to a ball dominate PG. he is a good 3 and D guy.

[Paradise]

Prokorov

[Prokorov]

Prokorov

i'm so suprised the homers here still think lopez is some all-star talent and plus rim protector. the guy is a black hole offensively who has become jump shot dependant, doesnt defend or rebound and who is currently having the worst year of his career since his rookie season.

Mozgov wont give you 15 points a game, but he also wont freeze out his teammates, play like a pansy inside, and suck on defense. all around he is a better player then lopez, and I dont see how it really is debatable.

Lopez has become a poor mans spencer hawes. he just hangs out 20 feet from the hoop and chucks up jumpers... only at least hawes shoots it out to 3 point range.

[MrDollarBills]

It is kind of baffling that Mozgov can fetch two 1st rders and we can't get the Thunder to give us Jackson along with their other guys.

I won't go as far as to say Mozgov is better, but Lopez plays like a pussy and I'm tired of his ****. He does not give this team max effort each night.

I am praying the thunder come back to the table offering Perkins, Jackson, Lamb, and Jones.

[Prokorov]

It is kind of baffling that Mozgov can fetch two 1st rders and we can't get the Thunder to give us Jackson along with their other guys.

I won't go as far as to say Mozgov is better, but Lopez plays like a pussy and I'm tired of his ****. He does not give this team max effort each night.

I am praying the thunder come back to the table offering Perkins, Jackson, Lamb, and Jones.

Situations are completely different. for one, reggie jackson is better then Lopez. call me a hater, but the stats confirm this.

second, mozgov's contract is 5M. he is easy to take on. contracts have to considered when disucssing trade value. Cleveland is also SUPER desperate right now. much more so then the thunder.

Last it isnt really 2 firsts... with the protection its more a 1st in 2 years and a 2nd rounder