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Post#461 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:07 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:Kira Lewis is also interesting for the Raps

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Looks like Kira is picking up some hype on the internet, would be an interesting candidate at 28 if hes still there.

He comes off as lottery quality to me
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Post#462 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:14 am

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HeadtopChunes wrote:Kira Lewis is also interesting for the Raps

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Looks like Kira is picking up some hype on the internet, would be an interesting candidate at 28 if hes still there.

He comes off as lottery quality to me


I get the impression that he has top-10 talent, but who knows. I also like Anthony Cowan from Maryland, he has a lot of Lowry-esque tendencies.
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Post#463 » by isyed » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:22 am

Do you think there is chance that Masai tried to trade next years pick for a pick this year? I mean if its hard as it is with Covid-19 and the draft is not as great as next year there might be team that gives us another pick this year? Something like our second rounder this year and next year plus our 2021 1st rounder for a top 15 pick. Not sure if there is a sleeper but i perhaps Masai has someone on his radar and he makes a move along with our own 28th pick for another solid pick. There is always the undrafted route for other gems. Maybe with all this confusion GMs might try to trade away their picks this year a chance next year. Worth a shot? Especially if its under the radar type player that Masai beleives can be the next Giannis or Kwahi (not the players but where they were picked ie just outside of the lottery) and can develop in a few years to be that stud for us.
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Post#464 » by Psubs » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:22 pm

isyed wrote:Do you think there is chance that Masai tried to trade next years pick for a pick this year? I mean if its hard as it is with Covid-19 and the draft is not as great as next year there might be team that gives us another pick this year? Something like our second rounder this year and next year plus our 2021 1st rounder for a top 15 pick. Not sure if there is a sleeper but i perhaps Masai has someone on his radar and he makes a move along with our own 28th pick for another solid pick. There is always the undrafted route for other gems. Maybe with all this confusion GMs might try to trade away their picks this year a chance next year. Worth a shot? Especially if its under the radar type player that Masai beleives can be the next Giannis or Kwahi (not the players but where they were picked ie just outside of the lottery) and can develop in a few years to be that stud for us.


With the cap going down, there might be teams financially strained. Maybe it there is a draft and stash player that Masai likes in the 1st round? Pokusevski or Amar Sylla with #28?
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Post#465 » by Psubs » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:21 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257855/Georgios-Kalaitzakis-Declares-For-2020-NBA-Draft



Sounds Greek to me. 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan. Backup SF? #58 stash for a year. :D



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Post#466 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:51 pm

Psubs wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257855/Georgios-Kalaitzakis-Declares-For-2020-NBA-Draft



Sounds Greek to me. 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan. Backup SF? #58 stash for a year. :D



McCaw defense with Satoransky's offense?


I don't know much about this kid's game, but based on tweets I've read from Givony, and a few youtube videos the first name that came to mind was Caris Levert. Obviously, that's a high ceiling, but I don't see why he can't reach it based on his U20 performances. Where is he projected to go? I don't believe he'll be available at 58.
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Post#467 » by Indeed » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:17 pm

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Psubs wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257855/Georgios-Kalaitzakis-Declares-For-2020-NBA-Draft

Sounds Greek to me. 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan. Backup SF? #58 stash for a year. :D

McCaw defense with Satoransky's offense?


I don't know much about this kid's game, but based on tweets I've read from Givony, and a few youtube videos the first name that came to mind was Caris Levert. Obviously, that's a high ceiling, but I don't see why he can't reach it based on his U20 performances. Where is he projected to go? I don't believe he'll be available at 58.


His shooting isn't as good as LeVert. LeVert has a much better 3 point shooting in college.
Furthermore, his lack of effort on defense is definitely not at McCaw level.

As he is 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, it seems he is a SG at #58, but not sure if we prefer a big.


And again, I don't see why the Raptors wants to "stash" any players as we have a development league. The reason teams stash players oversea due to lack of roster spots, now D-League gives those spots, and I just don't see why we still "stash". Do you see we ever stash players after NBA expanded roster spot with a D-League? I see the opposite, we acquired more players plus undrafted ones.
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Post#468 » by Mark_83 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:27 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257855/Georgios-Kalaitzakis-Declares-For-2020-NBA-Draft

Sounds Greek to me. 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan. Backup SF? #58 stash for a year. :D

McCaw defense with Satoransky's offense?


I don't know much about this kid's game, but based on tweets I've read from Givony, and a few youtube videos the first name that came to mind was Caris Levert. Obviously, that's a high ceiling, but I don't see why he can't reach it based on his U20 performances. Where is he projected to go? I don't believe he'll be available at 58.


His shooting isn't as good as LeVert. LeVert has a much better 3 point shooting in college.
Furthermore, his lack of effort on defense is definitely not at McCaw level.

As he is 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, it seems he is a SG at #58, but not sure if we prefer a big.


And again, I don't see why the Raptors wants to "stash" any players as we have a development league. The reason teams stash players oversea due to lack of roster spots, now D-League gives those spots, and I just don't see why we still "stash". Do you see we ever stash players after NBA expanded roster spot with a D-League? I see the opposite, we acquired more players plus undrafted ones.

I wouldnt mind him at 58. Also wouldnt mind Sylla or Eboua despite the subpar seasons, or Diakite and Garza.
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Post#469 » by Psubs » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:15 pm

Indeed wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Psubs wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257855/Georgios-Kalaitzakis-Declares-For-2020-NBA-Draft

Sounds Greek to me. 6'7 with 7'1 wingspan. Backup SF? #58 stash for a year. :D

McCaw defense with Satoransky's offense?


I don't know much about this kid's game, but based on tweets I've read from Givony, and a few youtube videos the first name that came to mind was Caris Levert. Obviously, that's a high ceiling, but I don't see why he can't reach it based on his U20 performances. Where is he projected to go? I don't believe he'll be available at 58.


His shooting isn't as good as LeVert. LeVert has a much better 3 point shooting in college.
Furthermore, his lack of effort on defense is definitely not at McCaw level.

As he is 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, it seems he is a SG at #58, but not sure if we prefer a big.


And again, I don't see why the Raptors wants to "stash" any players as we have a development league. The reason teams stash players oversea due to lack of roster spots, now D-League gives those spots, and I just don't see why we still "stash". Do you see we ever stash players after NBA expanded roster spot with a D-League? I see the opposite, we acquired more players plus undrafted ones.


I would take a big with the #28. He's a #58 candidate.

New mocks don't even have Luka Garza on them yet. I'd take him there. I'd also be cool with Paul Reed or Jalen Smith. I don't see the appeal of Xavier Tillman until the 2nd round. I see him as a backup PF at best, like Taj Gibson.

I would stash him because I don't want to burn through a year of his 2nd round contract. He could use another year in Europe for seasoning.
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Post#470 » by rapsdotcom » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:37 pm

I see Kalaitzakis and Bolmaro as very similar type players- long playmakers who are defensive disruptive, jump shot still a work in progress but high upside. I’d be shocked if either was around at 58.
I agree that a big is more of a priority for our roster, but this draft is going to be extremely guard-heavy. I think we have to be open to taking one of these high upside guards depending on who is still around at 28.
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Post#471 » by Indeed » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:02 am

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Indeed wrote:
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I don't know much about this kid's game, but based on tweets I've read from Givony, and a few youtube videos the first name that came to mind was Caris Levert. Obviously, that's a high ceiling, but I don't see why he can't reach it based on his U20 performances. Where is he projected to go? I don't believe he'll be available at 58.


His shooting isn't as good as LeVert. LeVert has a much better 3 point shooting in college.
Furthermore, his lack of effort on defense is definitely not at McCaw level.

As he is 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, it seems he is a SG at #58, but not sure if we prefer a big.


And again, I don't see why the Raptors wants to "stash" any players as we have a development league. The reason teams stash players oversea due to lack of roster spots, now D-League gives those spots, and I just don't see why we still "stash". Do you see we ever stash players after NBA expanded roster spot with a D-League? I see the opposite, we acquired more players plus undrafted ones.


I would take a big with the #28. He's a #58 candidate.

New mocks don't even have Luka Garza on them yet. I'd take him there. I'd also be cool with Paul Reed or Jalen Smith. I don't see the appeal of Xavier Tillman until the 2nd round. I see him as a backup PF at best, like Taj Gibson.

I would stash him because I don't want to burn through a year of his 2nd round contract. He could use another year in Europe for seasoning.


I agree that Xavier Tillman does not look like a starter, particularly his lack of vertical. And I would prefer a big C to help our rebounding and replacing Gasol in the long term, where Luka Garza would be a good option unless there is a better one.

Meanwhile, stash is a thing for many teams, as they simply have roster spots. In our situation, we might rather have the 2nd pick than Paul Watson at 25 on a 2-way contract, or even Miller/Boucher if we do not find them work out for us. And since we are serious about talent, we are probably not stashing a player, and instead, have them recalled if necessarily and fill our 905 roster for cheap.
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Post#472 » by Indeed » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:05 am

rapsdotcom wrote:I see Kalaitzakis and Bolmaro as very similar type players- long playmakers who are defensive disruptive, jump shot still a work in progress but high upside. I’d be shocked if either was around at 58.
I agree that a big is more of a priority for our roster, but this draft is going to be extremely guard-heavy. I think we have to be open to taking one of these high upside guards depending on who is still around at 28.


Might also take a wing at 28. But since there are lots of big guards, so I am unsure we will draft one. I think some good ones maybe undrafted, particularly due to injury.
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Post#473 » by Indeed » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 am

isyed wrote:Do you think there is chance that Masai tried to trade next years pick for a pick this year? I mean if its hard as it is with Covid-19 and the draft is not as great as next year there might be team that gives us another pick this year? Something like our second rounder this year and next year plus our 2021 1st rounder for a top 15 pick. Not sure if there is a sleeper but i perhaps Masai has someone on his radar and he makes a move along with our own 28th pick for another solid pick. There is always the undrafted route for other gems. Maybe with all this confusion GMs might try to trade away their picks this year a chance next year. Worth a shot? Especially if its under the radar type player that Masai beleives can be the next Giannis or Kwahi (not the players but where they were picked ie just outside of the lottery) and can develop in a few years to be that stud for us.


Unlikely, as this is a weak draft, and next year will probably be strong, as players may avoid to compete with the high school prospects in 2022. I believe most teams will keep next year pick over this year.
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Post#475 » by Indeed » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:58 am



Oscar Tshiebwe may go back to college even declared recently, but would be at the range of Carey.

As for Canadian (58 or undrafted), Andrew Nembhard could be in consideration
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Post#476 » by rapsdotcom » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:42 pm


Personally I don’t see Garza as an NBA player. To me he is the classic old-school plodding NCAA centre. He’s improved his range but I think the bigger concern is his lack of mobility on D. Very good college player who put up big numbers, but ultimately I don’t think he’s suited to today’s NBA.
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Post#477 » by Psubs » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:22 pm

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Personally I don’t see Garza as an NBA player. To me he is the classic old-school plodding NCAA centre. He’s improved his range but I think the bigger concern is his lack of mobility on D. Very good college player who put up big numbers, but ultimately I don’t think he’s suited to today’s NBA.


I somewhat agree and I think that he could be at minimum a passable rotational big. Though I think Garza (6'11, 260 lbs) could be at least like Aron Baynes (6'10, 250 lbs). Garza had a 9lbs cyst removed from his stomach, so might be around 250 lbs. Garza already shoots as well as Baynes from NBA 3pt range. Garza's body is closer to Marc Gasol in his early 20's; and perhaps a couple of years or training gets a stronger and a little quicker. Garza's post moves are already more advanced than Baynes.

I guess one could say that Frank Kaminsky was Player of the year and it may not translate into the NBA, but I think good value at #28, whereas Kaminsky was taken at #9.
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Post#478 » by Mark_83 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:01 pm

Going by stats the Raps analytics team may not give him the endorsement, but I am really impressed by Diakite's game. He moves so well for a guy his size, has a nice looking jumper, and makes good reads on offense. He reminds me a lot of Serge Ibaka, in terms of playing style. I would be happy to take him at 58 to challenge or replace Boucher/Hernandez.

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Post#479 » by Ell Curry » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:17 pm

When I watched Garza I didn't see an NBA quality backup center defensively. Not a plus shotblocker and doesn't move his feet that well. I think his type of center probably better off in Europe and the guys who can move their feet but don't have anywhere near his impressive offensive skills make better backup 5s these days. Like if he's Willy Hernangomez is that helpful? Rather look for a Daniel Theis type, and guys like that will still be available in late 2nd round or undrafted for a couple more years I would guess.

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