Siakam, is it time to worry?

[LoveMyRaps]

Love what Siakam has provided for this team so far in this series.
Exceptional defense + offensively disciplined.
Shot the ball well today, hopefully he can string together a few more of these great shooting games.
He's been our second best player in this series behind FVV. Playing great on both sides of the ball. Making all the right reads and not forcing anything. Averaging 9 rebounds per game against the second best rebounding team in the league and getting to the line much more often.

Playoff Spice is for real.

[OakleyDokely]

The ridiculous part of this thread is that Siakam doesn't have to develop into a 1st option on offense to be worth a max deal. If all he is is a 2nd option who plays good defense (which he already is), he will be worth his deal.

[MixxSRC]

The ridiculous part of this thread is that Siakam doesn't have to develop into a 1st option on offense to be worth a max deal. If all he is is a 2nd option who plays good defense (which he already is), he will be worth his deal.

Kevin Durant, Lebron James level players are underpaid in reality.

[pingpongrac]

Wow, the gaslighting and deflection.

Pascal is making max money next season and was signed before this season to be a max guy.

This is hilarious

Key word: NEXT season. He isn't making max money this season, therefore he is not a max player. Just because he "got paid" to be a max player in 20/21 doesn't mean that he should be meeting your lofty expectations already this season.

If he doesn't improve on his game at all in the next 8-12 months, then this discussion can be had -- when he IS making max money.

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Really?

So we should expect Pascal to play like a 2 million dollar player despite the fact we know he has already signed a max extension?

Is this really your argument?

I'm saying you should temper your expectations for THIS season and not expect a top 10 player night in, night out. If that's the way you want to look at it though, wouldn't it be fair to rate Siakam as someone who is making ~17M/year (somewhere in the middle of 2.5 and his max extension)?

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[johanliebert]

26 on 23 shots...congrats.

fred took his role and drove the offense early.

[Danny1616]

Okay, and where was Kawhi in his 4th year in the league?

Oh right, he averaged 16.5ppg on about the same efficiency as Siakim did this year.

Let's look at Butler: When Butler was in his 4th year in the league and the Bulls were in the playoffs they faced the Cavaliers in the 2nd round and he averaged 21ppg on 40% shooting from the field.

So are you trying to tell me that Butler and Kawhi performed better than Siakim when they were in the 4th year?

You would have a very valid point if Siakim was in his 7th or 8th year in the league and already had a couple playoff disappointments.

Right now you are simply a hater.

These guys are casuals haha.

So, using efficiency, something no one here seems to know, and we are casuals.

Few things, growth is not linear. Player A may grow to a superstar and player B may not. It is about how they are playing.

This whole but in his forth year! It's about the skills they have.

Jimmy was an elite mid range shooter, can shoot the three, can score in the post.

What elite offensive skill does Pascal have?

People keep gaslighting and want to ignore, but hey, let's see what happens against a true elite team and not a G-league Brooklyn.

That is so incorrect it made me laugh. Pascal is actually a better 3 point shooter than Jimmy. Jimmy shot 24% from 3 this year and 34% from 3 last year. In fact, Jimmy is approaching Demar territory and he's become afraid to even shoot 3s. If you look statistically, Pascal was easily more efficient than Jimmy this year and it's not even a debate.

Pascal is one of the best transition players in the league, he has one of the best hands around the basket, has a very good post-up game, has an array of spin moves, hook shots and floaters and is now an average 3 point shooter. He needs to improve his shooting, develop a mid-range game, and tighten his handle if he truly wants to be elite offensively.

I do agree that since coming to the bubble he hasn't looked as crisp around the basket but that's likely because of him taking time off with Covid-19. That's not an excuse but that's what it is. Throughout the regular season, Pascal was elite around the basket.

[johanliebert]

Key word: NEXT season. He isn't making max money this season, therefore he is not a max player. Just because he "got paid" to be a max player in 20/21 doesn't mean that he should be meeting your lofty expectations already this season.

If he doesn't improve on his game at all in the next 8-12 months, then this discussion can be had -- when he IS making max money.

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Really?

So we should expect Pascal to play like a 2 million dollar player despite the fact we know he has already signed a max extension?

Is this really your argument?

I'm saying you should temper your expectations for THIS season and not expect a top 10 player night in, night out. If that's the way you want to look at it though, wouldn't it be fair to rate Siakam as someone who is making ~17M/year (somewhere in the middle of 2.5 and his max extension)?

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i dont really care about the money it’s his role on the team and his struggles filling it.

saw from day one he isnt that guy and never will be..others here have claimed hes a superstar early in the year and now the talk is of his ceiling.

i dont even see him as a reliable first option.

[MixxSRC]

People are not even mentioning that ever since his groin injury he hasn't been the same. But you know injuries are excuses to some people so not surprise nobody seems to be bringing it up

[-AirCanada-]

Really?

So we should expect Pascal to play like a 2 million dollar player despite the fact we know he has already signed a max extension?

Is this really your argument?

I'm saying you should temper your expectations for THIS season and not expect a top 10 player night in, night out. If that's the way you want to look at it though, wouldn't it be fair to rate Siakam as someone who is making ~17M/year (somewhere in the middle of 2.5 and his max extension)?

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i dont really care about the money it’s his role on the team and his struggles filling it.

saw from day one he isnt that guy and never will be..others here have claimed hes a superstar early in the year and now the talk is of his ceiling.

i dont even see him as a reliable first option.

[everdiso]

The jumper will start falling again, don't you worry.

[-AirCanada-]

God bless the ignore function.

wait what? how?

how do i ignore all the garbage posters?

[-AirCanada-]

As this thread reaches almost 500 posts, just a reminder that Siakam hit the game winner over Draymond to win the championship.

**** all these people man

[pingpongrac]

In any case, the guy averaged 23 PPG, 7.3 REB, 3.5 AST on about league average efficiency (55 TS%) with above average defence during his first season as the #1 option

In the 3 games against the Nets so far, he's averaging 21 PPG, 8.3 REB, 3 AST on 53 TS% but with a much greater attention to detail on the defensive end. He's arguably been our best player on that end.

Siakam's struggles have been way overblown. He didn't look great in most of the bubble games, but he had a much better start in G2 then carried that over with a complete game effort in G3. He has started to look more and more like his typical self (active on the defensive end, looking to attack mismatches and get to the rim, finishing in close, etc.) as the series goes on. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those very efficient nights (like 10/15 shooting) to wrap things up quickly in G4.

[Danny1616]

Really?

So we should expect Pascal to play like a 2 million dollar player despite the fact we know he has already signed a max extension?

Is this really your argument?

I'm saying you should temper your expectations for THIS season and not expect a top 10 player night in, night out. If that's the way you want to look at it though, wouldn't it be fair to rate Siakam as someone who is making ~17M/year (somewhere in the middle of 2.5 and his max extension)?

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i dont really care about the money it’s his role on the team and his struggles filling it.

saw from day one he isnt that guy and never will be..others here have claimed hes a superstar early in the year and now the talk is of his ceiling.

i dont even see him as a reliable first option.

Okay, so apart from Kawhi, Lebron, AD, Curry, Harden, and Durant...who are reliable 1st options in the league?

[VanWest82]

If your expectation is that Siakam is going to morph into a superstar in these playoffs (or ever) then you're probably going to be disappointed. Raps have Fred, Kyle, Norm, and Serge for the match ups when Siakam struggles. I do think we need him to have success on the inside vs. Boston however. He's the guy on the team who should have the advantage.

[Mattatron]

The problem you’re having is you think the last three weeks is indicative of a career that isn’t even halfway over yet. You make this assumption that Siakam won’t improve. Hypothetically Siakam become a superstar is contingent on a few things:

-consistent mid-range
-consistent three
-better decision-making
-better handle

He’s already proven to have improved in all of those areas in big ways year over year. You expecting him not to improve is, based on his actual history, far less likely than him not improving.

Every guy has his limits and I think 43 reached his limits. If we go with your thinking about improving, then every year will someone improve but this is not the fact. At some point everyone reaches his limit. And 43 did really good improving his skills and his worth for the team. But that's it. There is nothing more to expect. He is already 27. And he is definitely not blessed with talents like other guys with the same standing in other teams. He reminds me more of a system player. Don't really think he would be putting this numbers on other teams.

Haha okay bro.

1. He’s not 27.

2. What evidence is there that he’s reached his ceiling? He’s still better than he was last year. Much better. Even though he’s struggled at times. If he’s not better next year then you can say he’s reached his ceiling.

3. Players tend to improve until they lose athleticism entering their 30s.

4. System player?? Lol.

First of all:

I'm not your "Bro"

2. Siakam will be 27 in the midst of the next season - don't be so petty because of 6 months difference lol he is on his way to be 27.

3. Siakam numbers have been going up because a guy left us last year that was a high profiling scorer and because of that a lot of shots are leftover. Siakam lives through his athleticism. He is good in transition but nearly unusable on a half court offense if not getting spoon feeded by Lowry or FVV.


And no, players don't tend to improve until their early 30's. Only inhuman-like players like LeBron, Harden etc and just because they have the ability or they translate their playing style because of the loss of their athleticism. And players that's lives through their athleticism will degrade faster, just like Carter. It's more like players have their prime with their production at 27 and can hold that production for 3 years. But Siakam is not the type of player. He's a miracle and came out of nothing, but he will not improve nor will he be able to maintain his production for several years.
Don't look out for comparisons - look at the differences. He came through a different way and will go through a different way. His way. Trust me, I see only 2 maximum 3 more all star seasons. He will have a short prime.

[MixxSRC]

Every guy has his limits and I think 43 reached his limits. If we go with your thinking about improving, then every year will someone improve but this is not the fact. At some point everyone reaches his limit. And 43 did really good improving his skills and his worth for the team. But that's it. There is nothing more to expect. He is already 27. And he is definitely not blessed with talents like other guys with the same standing in other teams. He reminds me more of a system player. Don't really think he would be putting this numbers on other teams.

Haha okay bro.

1. He’s not 27.

2. What evidence is there that he’s reached his ceiling? He’s still better than he was last year. Much better. Even though he’s struggled at times. If he’s not better next year then you can say he’s reached his ceiling.

3. Players tend to improve until they lose athleticism entering their 30s.

4. System player?? Lol.

First of all:

I'm not your "Bro"

2. Siakam will be 27 in the midst of the next season - don't be so petty because of 6 months difference lol he is on his way to be 27.

3. Siakam numbers have been going up because a guy left us last year that was a high profiling scorer and because of that a lot of shots are leftover. Siakam lives through his athleticism. He is good in transition but nearly unusable on a half court offense if not getting spoon feeded by Lowry or FVV.


And no, players don't tend to improve until their early 30's. Only inhuman-like players like LeBron, Harden etc and just because they have the ability or they translate their playing style because of the loss of their athleticism. And players that's lives through their athleticism will degrade faster, just like Carter. It's more like players have their prime with their production at 27 and can hold that production for 3 years. But Siakam is not the type of player. He's a miracle and came out of nothing, but he will not improve nor will he be able to maintain his production for several years.
Don't look out for comparisons - look at the differences. He came through a different way and will go through a different way. His way. Trust me, I see only 2 maximum 3 more all star seasons. He will have a short prime.

We literally have Kyle Lowry on a team dude.

[Mattatron]

Haha okay bro.

1. He’s not 27.

2. What evidence is there that he’s reached his ceiling? He’s still better than he was last year. Much better. Even though he’s struggled at times. If he’s not better next year then you can say he’s reached his ceiling.

3. Players tend to improve until they lose athleticism entering their 30s.

4. System player?? Lol.

First of all:

I'm not your "Bro"

2. Siakam will be 27 in the midst of the next season - don't be so petty because of 6 months difference lol he is on his way to be 27.

3. Siakam numbers have been going up because a guy left us last year that was a high profiling scorer and because of that a lot of shots are leftover. Siakam lives through his athleticism. He is good in transition but nearly unusable on a half court offense if not getting spoon feeded by Lowry or FVV.


And no, players don't tend to improve until their early 30's. Only inhuman-like players like LeBron, Harden etc and just because they have the ability or they translate their playing style because of the loss of their athleticism. And players that's lives through their athleticism will degrade faster, just like Carter. It's more like players have their prime with their production at 27 and can hold that production for 3 years. But Siakam is not the type of player. He's a miracle and came out of nothing, but he will not improve nor will he be able to maintain his production for several years.
Don't look out for comparisons - look at the differences. He came through a different way and will go through a different way. His way. Trust me, I see only 2 maximum 3 more all star seasons. He will have a short prime.

We literally have Kyle Lowry on a team dude.

You cannot compare Lowry with 43!?
Kyle's a late bloomer and he had the gifts all the time but had trouble with his character and coaches back in Houston. It's a different position and he don't live through his athleticism but through his Iq. Something 43 literally don't have.
He can shoot pull up, off the dribble, catch and shoot... He's an offensive threat to anyone. He easily could play earlier like this in Houston with the amount of minutes and trust. But his personality was a problem for his development.

[beanbag]

Here's something for everyone mad because he signed a max deal....

If the player isn't living up to the contract management gave them, that's on management.
Siakam didn't put a gun to anyone's head to give him a contract.

[MixxSRC]

First of all:

I'm not your "Bro"

2. Siakam will be 27 in the midst of the next season - don't be so petty because of 6 months difference lol he is on his way to be 27.

3. Siakam numbers have been going up because a guy left us last year that was a high profiling scorer and because of that a lot of shots are leftover. Siakam lives through his athleticism. He is good in transition but nearly unusable on a half court offense if not getting spoon feeded by Lowry or FVV.


And no, players don't tend to improve until their early 30's. Only inhuman-like players like LeBron, Harden etc and just because they have the ability or they translate their playing style because of the loss of their athleticism. And players that's lives through their athleticism will degrade faster, just like Carter. It's more like players have their prime with their production at 27 and can hold that production for 3 years. But Siakam is not the type of player. He's a miracle and came out of nothing, but he will not improve nor will he be able to maintain his production for several years.
Don't look out for comparisons - look at the differences. He came through a different way and will go through a different way. His way. Trust me, I see only 2 maximum 3 more all star seasons. He will have a short prime.

We literally have Kyle Lowry on a team dude.

You cannot compare Lowry with 43!?
Kyle's a late bloomer and he had the gifts all the time but had trouble with his character and coaches back in Houston. It's a different position and he don't live through his athleticism but through his Iq. Something 43 literally don't have.
He can shoot pull up, off the dribble, catch and shoot... He's an offensive threat to anyone. He easily could play earlier like this in Houston with the amount of minutes and trust. But his personality was a problem for his development.

Yeah literally everything that Pascal can do and he will tune it up as he grows.