Harden-watch 2020

[Openheimer]

Say what you want about Kyrie but he made the biggest shot in NBA playoff history. He shows up in high leverage moments.

Harden has never had this moment in his career. He always chokes and flames out in the playoffs. And none of his teammates want to stay with him or even like him.

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

[MrDollarBills]

Say what you want about Kyrie but he made the biggest shot in NBA playoff history. He shows up in high leverage moments.

Harden has never had this moment in his career. He always chokes and flames out in the playoffs. And none of his teammates want to stay with him or even like him.

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

Rent free.

[therealbig3]

Harden doesn’t want to play with us without Kyrie and KD, and KD didn’t sign up to play without Kyrie.

It’s not happening. The point is to try and team up Harden with the other elite talent, not swap them out.

If our package can’t get it done, then whatever, it is what it is, but that doesn’t mean we now have to offer one of our stars just because we can.

[Prokorov]

Why?

We would still be better than the Bucks with Harden.

Giannis and Harden are probably the two biggest playoff chokers in the league. That's not beating Kyrie-KD.

Harden has been pretty elite in the playoffs. 2 Game 7's have really skewed the narrative on a guy with 100+ playoff games whose only black eyes in the playoffs are losing to the KD warriors in 7 and the Lebron lakers.

Ok fair point.

Hes been bad in pivotal moments in the playoffs.

There was also that Spurs series in 2017.

And he lost to the Warriors without KD in 2019 at home w/ 0 points for Steph in the first half. That was by far his worst one.

yeah i mean he has definetly laid some eggs in big spots. but people over-hate on him in the playoffs. he led his teams to 55-60+ win seasons and deep playoff runs. conference finals, was in 1 NBA final. and for the most part he has been a jauggernaut. i think its easy to point to game 7 while overlooking he helped force a game 7 as an underdog in those series after already getting his team a few rounds deep.

its one of those things where you almost get penalixed for losing deeper. like lebron losing 5 NBA finals or whatever. is that somehow worse then MAgic or MJ losing in the conference finals? (not saying he is better then MJ).

Its almost like if another player loses in 6 he doesnt take as big a hit for being a chocker then someone who dominated game 6 to send it to game 7 and then laid an egg.

[Prokorov]

Harden doesn’t want to play with us without Kyrie and KD, and KD didn’t sign up to play without Kyrie.

It’s not happening. The point is to try and team up Harden with the other elite talent, not swap them out.

If our package can’t get it done, then whatever, it is what it is, but that doesn’t mean we now have to offer one of our stars just because we can.

spot on. if the levert/spencer/allen + 3-5 picks gets it done great. if not then we move on. we can only offer what we have. and Kyrie/KD cant be part of any offer.

[therealbig3]

Harden has been pretty elite in the playoffs. 2 Game 7's have really skewed the narrative on a guy with 100+ playoff games whose only black eyes in the playoffs are losing to the KD warriors in 7 and the Lebron lakers.

Ok fair point.

Hes been bad in pivotal moments in the playoffs.

There was also that Spurs series in 2017.

And he lost to the Warriors without KD in 2019 at home w/ 0 points for Steph in the first half. That was by far his worst one.

yeah i mean he has definetly laid some eggs in big spots. but people over-hate on him in the playoffs. he led his teams to 55-60+ win seasons and deep playoff runs. conference finals, was in 1 NBA final. and for the most part he has been a jauggernaut. i think its easy to point to game 7 while overlooking he helped force a game 7 as an underdog in those series after already getting his team a few rounds deep.

its one of those things where you almost get penalixed for losing deeper. like lebron losing 5 NBA finals or whatever. is that somehow worse then MAgic or MJ losing in the conference finals? (not saying he is better then MJ).

Its almost like if another player loses in 6 he doesnt take as big a hit for being a chocker then someone who dominated game 6 to send it to game 7 and then laid an egg.

My overall thoughts on Harden:

-arguably the best RS player in the league

-clearly less effective in the PS than the RS, and not purely just because he's facing better defenses, but because of some legit flaws in his game, which have led to underwhelming performances in some big spots (loves to ball stop and dribble out the shot clock, loves to dominate the ball in general, useless off the ball by choice, is always going to be below average defensively, style of play leads to him getting tired the deeper a series/playoff run goes and like I said, he doesn't have enough counters as an off ball player in order to remain effective)...but still overall an excellent player that can lead a deep playoff run, but he's no LeBron, and he's proven to be a little hard to find the right second star for (has had issues with Dwight, CP3, and Westbrook)

-due to his ball-dominant style of play and disinterest in being an effective off ball player, I think there are legit concerns about his ability to fit with other talented players in order to produce something that's at least the sum of its parts, if not moreso...I think you're more likely to get diminishing returns

-overall though, one of the best players in the league, a top 7 player at minimum, excluding Durant and Curry since we don't know how they'll look coming back (whatever order you want to put him in with Davis, Giannis, Luka, Jokic, and Kawhi, with LeBron at #1)

[Hello Brooklyn]

Say what you want about Kyrie but he made the biggest shot in NBA playoff history. He shows up in high leverage moments.

Harden has never had this moment in his career. He always chokes and flames out in the playoffs. And none of his teammates want to stay with him or even like him.

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

There is literally no big moment in Harden's career where he hasn't choked.

This even includes his 2012 Finals off the bench.

Kyrie could believe the whole universe is flat. At least he doesn't melt down every Game 7.

[StepBackCrack]

But you guys need to keep in mind that CP3 and Russ were never good fits with Harden. He did make a big mistake by pushing CP3 out tho because Russ is a terrible terrible shooter and decision maker. Yes, I know Harden has weakness (being bad offball by choice) but he didn't have that good 2nd star apart from the very small window with Paul and it took GSW to stop his team from winning a title there. So it's fair to say for me that Harden would be able to win if he had a good enough 2nd star to play with him for more years. That was only CP3 for very short window. LeBron had freakin prime AD last season. There is a major difference between AD and Westbrook for example. Just saying. I totally believe that Harden (even with his weakness) would win with AD.

[StepBackCrack]

You guys shouldn't take the bait of obvious Kyrie haters. Just saying.

[Openheimer]

Say what you want about Kyrie but he made the biggest shot in NBA playoff history. He shows up in high leverage moments.

Harden has never had this moment in his career. He always chokes and flames out in the playoffs. And none of his teammates want to stay with him or even like him.

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

There is literally no big moment in Harden's career where he hasn't choked.

This even includes his 2012 Finals off the bench.

Kyrie could believe the whole universe is flat. At least he doesn't melt down every Game 7.

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

There is literally no big moment in Harden's career where he hasn't choked.

This even includes his 2012 Finals off the bench.

Kyrie could believe the whole universe is flat. At least he doesn't melt down every Game 7.

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

Its got to do with who can help you win in the playoffs in a complimentary role, which is ultimately all I care about.

No we wouldn't trade Kyrie. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Get your idiotic takes off our board. Thanks.

[Openheimer]

There is literally no big moment in Harden's career where he hasn't choked.

This even includes his 2012 Finals off the bench.

Kyrie could believe the whole universe is flat. At least he doesn't melt down every Game 7.

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

Its got to do with who can help you win in the playoffs in a complimentary role, which is ultimately all I care about.

No we wouldn't trade Kyrie. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Get your idiotic takes off our board. Thanks.

Kyrie couldn’t lead a team to a playoffs berth by himself dude. He would break down within a month if he was told to carry a team and he doesn’t have the skill set to be a number 1 option. Get real

[Hello Brooklyn]

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

Its got to do with who can help you win in the playoffs in a complimentary role, which is ultimately all I care about.

No we wouldn't trade Kyrie. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Get your idiotic takes off our board. Thanks.

Kyrie couldn’t lead a team to a playoffs berth by himself dude. He would break down within a month if he was told to carry a team and he doesn’t have the skill set to be a number 1 option. Get real

He literally did in Boston twice. Another stupid take.

[MrDollarBills]

And still Harden is three times the player Mr flat earth is

There is literally no big moment in Harden's career where he hasn't choked.

This even includes his 2012 Finals off the bench.

Kyrie could believe the whole universe is flat. At least he doesn't melt down every Game 7.

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

Look at this dude, he can't even name 10 players on this roster off the top of his head but he's in here acting like he knows what Sean Marks would do

Kyrie has these boys' heads all kinds of **** ed up. They act like he **** ed their mothers

[MrDollarBills]

What’s that got to do with who the better player is. Btw, if it weren’t for KD , the Nets would have traded Kyrie for Harden by now.

Its got to do with who can help you win in the playoffs in a complimentary role, which is ultimately all I care about.

No we wouldn't trade Kyrie. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Get your idiotic takes off our board. Thanks.

Kyrie couldn’t lead a team to a playoffs berth by himself dude. He would break down within a month if he was told to carry a team and he doesn’t have the skill set to be a number 1 option. Get real

Tell us where Kyrie touched you.

[Paradise]

Its got to do with who can help you win in the playoffs in a complimentary role, which is ultimately all I care about.

No we wouldn't trade Kyrie. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Get your idiotic takes off our board. Thanks.

Kyrie couldn’t lead a team to a playoffs berth by himself dude. He would break down within a month if he was told to carry a team and he doesn’t have the skill set to be a number 1 option. Get real

Tell us where Kyrie touched you.

Openheimer when he isn’t online:

[Paradise]

So, since when Tyler Herro is a better player than Caris or Spencer? because he went to the bubble NBA finals and played well? he wasn’t even a Top 3 ROY finalist or Top 5.

The Miami Heat emerged as a potential trade partner with the Houston Rockets for James Harden and they may be able to make a better offer than the Brooklyn Nets due to the value of Tyler Herro. The Heat, however, would be unable to beat an offer from the Philadelphia 76ers if they ever decide to make Ben Simmons available.


"Here's the bottom line," said Zach Lowe on his podcast. "I'm not sure any substantive talks have happened with any teams at this point. Let's just make that clear.

"I do think Tyler Herro as a single trade piece trumps anything the Nets can offer. Now, whether it trumps the Nets throwing every pick and every swap and doing the same thing they did for the Celtics except a better player in his prime, that's TBD. But Tyler Herro I think is a more valuable trade piece than Caris LeVert and anything else the Nets can offer. He's not more valuable than Ben Simmons. If and when that discussion happens, if that ever is a thing, I think the Heat are at a disadvantage in that sense."

[GTR11]

You go Prok let them know.

Out of all posters Prok is the one I 100 % with . What world we living in today lmao.

[GTR11]

Also there is a lot D. Will we keep finding out from Harden, I'm not so sure I want this guy now. Been there done that.

[MrDollarBills]

So, since when Tyler Herro is a better player than Caris or Spencer? because he went to the bubble NBA finals and played well? he wasn’t even a Top 3 ROY finalist or Top 5.

The Miami Heat emerged as a potential trade partner with the Houston Rockets for James Harden and they may be able to make a better offer than the Brooklyn Nets due to the value of Tyler Herro. The Heat, however, would be unable to beat an offer from the Philadelphia 76ers if they ever decide to make Ben Simmons available.


"Here's the bottom line," said Zach Lowe on his podcast. "I'm not sure any substantive talks have happened with any teams at this point. Let's just make that clear.

"I do think Tyler Herro as a single trade piece trumps anything the Nets can offer. Now, whether it trumps the Nets throwing every pick and every swap and doing the same thing they did for the Celtics except a better player in his prime, that's TBD. But Tyler Herro I think is a more valuable trade piece than Caris LeVert and anything else the Nets can offer. He's not more valuable than Ben Simmons. If and when that discussion happens, if that ever is a thing, I think the Heat are at a disadvantage in that sense."

Herro is a good player but he's becoming overrated fairly quickly. As far as value goes, he's younger and a better shooter so I understand why he has more value but as far as a ball handler and playmaker LeVert is better.