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Post#461 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:58 pm

GTR11 wrote:Not having Ben and Joe instead of Brown and Dre definitely would've changed things. However, we lost both games due to simple coaching decisions.

If Nash won't get fired this off-season. I'll be pissed. STILL WONT FIRE MARKS. LOOK AROUMD AND COMPARE BEFORE ANYTHING. GUY IS GENIUS GM.


Yup. there are things not in the nets favor, but all teams have that. Celtics are down to 8 plyable guys and have to go big with horford/theis with no RWIII. suns lost booker. bulls dont have lonzo. bucks lost middleton.

but you still need to coach and make adjustments. we SHOULD be up 2-0 right now.
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Post#462 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:20 pm

Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
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Post#463 » by Minnamaker » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:37 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
He played horrible, but to be fair, it's their gameplan, especially in the 4th, where the game slows down. It's not like he was being selfish in my opinion. And he is too good to stop being aggressive, even when he's struggling.

Nashs gameplan is to give Irving and Durant the ball and let them play either iso, or iso after a soft pick and roll. Everyone else just stands around. You don't see anything else in the 4th in close games. You will never win a title like that, but actually Durant asked for that after leaving the Warriors.

This loss was tough though. I thought they lost the game late in the second and in the third. Many careless plays offensively and defensively. We could get a nice seperation to start the 4th if they were not so sloppy. With the game so close to start the 4th, the players tired and no easy buckets, the L was evident.

I just hope a real coaching staff takes over next season. Otherwise these are just wasted years

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Post#464 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:45 pm

Minnamaker wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
He played horrible, but to be fair, it's their gameplan, especially in the 4th, where the game slows down. It's not like he was being selfish in my opinion. And he is too good to stop being aggressive, even when he's struggling.

Nashs gameplan is to give Irving and Durant the ball and let them play either iso, or iso after a soft pick and roll. Everyone else just stands around. You don't see anything else in the 4th in close games. You will never win a title like that, but actually Durant asked for that after leaving the Warriors.

This loss was tough though. I thought they lost the game late in the second and in the third. Many careless plays offensively and defensively. We could get a nice seperation to start the 4th if they were not so sloppy. With the game so close to start the 4th, the players tired and no easy buckets, the L was evident.

I just hope a real coaching staff takes over next season. Otherwise these are just wasted years

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The biggest issue is when we have a big lead, we dont coach like we have a big lead.

like up 17, make them outscore us by 18 by hitting half court 2 pointers.

up 15+ focus should be:

1) no live ball turnovers. those are instant points and momentum swings. id rather a 24 second violation with no shot attempt.

2) no threes. if someone gets beat, they get beat. dont help off the three point line. they wont erase a big lead if they cant take the highest efficiency shot in the game

3) no and-1s. if you foul, make damn well sure the shot doesnt go in. or conceed the FGA.

even with durant being awful. boston isnt going to outplay us by 18 points if we make them score in the half court, on 2 pointers. but instead we chuck up YOLO threes, turn it over like its our job and triple team off three point shooters.

ZERO situational awareness
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Post#465 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:06 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:I don't like Nash. I think hes a bad coach.

But the insistence on blaming him for every problem is just getting to be idiotic.

Why does KD get a pass for the worst back to back games of his career in the playoffs?

The truth is if KD even had a below average game by his standards, we win both of these games.

He has been unable to make any shots. He is a turnover machine. And his defensive lapses are constant.

He looks nothing like the player he has all season.

I get that the Boston defense is bothering him. But this is nothing new for KD!!!! Hes been swarmed defensively before.

And its not like he doesn't have Kyrie out there who takes a lot of doubles and attention. Or spacing with Curry/Mills. A good rebounder in Drummond.

LeBron routinely dealt with this type of defense.

KD isn't meeting the moment and is doing incredible damage to his legacy as an all time player.

This is why he has to turn it around and win us Games 4 and 5. I think he will. I don't think Boston plays as well on the road.

If we win the next 2 games the series is a tossup.

I don't think anyone is giving KD a pass... at least not from me... the coaches ran that guy to the ground en route to the playoffs... the style of play on this team under the direction of Nash and Co.(KD/KY too) has put more wear and tear on KD for nothing.

KD's lackluster play is a result of the guy playing on fumes. That issue is rooted to a deeply out of his league coach in Nash. KD should've never been put in that position, considering his frailty and health status. This guy was asked to be constantly guarding big men night in and night out, that's not him. No one is taking the ball out of his hands when he's clearly out of sorts.

Where is the coaching? this team became a reflection of its coach and putrid leaders.

The ineptitude to construct a G League offense has ruined KD to the ground. He thought he could do it all without some sort of consequence, that's on him and that's on the failure of Coach Nash.


KD is not running on fumes.

Yes we played him a lot in the regular season. He also missed a ton of games due to injury.

This wasn't a case of him just running out of gas at the end.

He has legitimately been horrible for the majority of 2 full games.


KD it’s NOT a leader , he is a follower, he is #1 who needs a coach ( pop , phil ) type to put him in position to win , he cannot put himself in this position, he tried and he failed
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Post#466 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:13 pm

Minnamaker wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
He played horrible, but to be fair, it's their gameplan, especially in the 4th, where the game slows down. It's not like he was being selfish in my opinion. And he is too good to stop being aggressive, even when he's struggling.

Nashs gameplan is to give Irving and Durant the ball and let them play either iso, or iso after a soft pick and roll. Everyone else just stands around. You don't see anything else in the 4th in close games. You will never win a title like that, but actually Durant asked for that after leaving the Warriors.

This loss was tough though. I thought they lost the game late in the second and in the third. Many careless plays offensively and defensively. We could get a nice seperation to start the 4th if they were not so sloppy. With the game so close to start the 4th, the players tired and no easy buckets, the L was evident.

I just hope a real coaching staff takes over next season. Otherwise these are just wasted years

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This is already wasted years , last year , this year with Middleton injury we should’ve run thru Celtics and Bucks as well
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Post#467 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:18 pm

There is another bs with Simmons , if he gotta be this savior why wait till game 4 ? Give it a shot in game 3 ( he is supposedly pain free) so why wait ? Another ego move to try to convince themselves we can turn the series without Simmons?

That’s what’s it is i guess

If we down 0-3 i could careless about if Simmons coming back or not
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Post#468 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:12 pm

Minnamaker wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
He played horrible, but to be fair, it's their gameplan, especially in the 4th, where the game slows down. It's not like he was being selfish in my opinion. And he is too good to stop being aggressive, even when he's struggling.

Nashs gameplan is to give Irving and Durant the ball and let them play either iso, or iso after a soft pick and roll. Everyone else just stands around. You don't see anything else in the 4th in close games. You will never win a title like that, but actually Durant asked for that after leaving the Warriors.

This loss was tough though. I thought they lost the game late in the second and in the third. Many careless plays offensively and defensively. We could get a nice seperation to start the 4th if they were not so sloppy. With the game so close to start the 4th, the players tired and no easy buckets, the L was evident.

I just hope a real coaching staff takes over next season. Otherwise these are just wasted years

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I'm not absolving Nash from blame but KD has to own how he is performing. The turnovers are more harmful than the missed FGAs, I could care less about those.

He can be aggressive without iso'ing himself into traps and turnovers. Playing off ball, running through set actions to get him open is a lot smarter than what he is doing now.

And God yes. PLEASE. I want Nash gone.
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Post#469 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:14 pm

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Minnamaker wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Kevin Durant isn't holding up his end of the bargain here.

He needs to check his ego and allow his teammates to set the table, meaning, he needs to play off ball, come off screens and look to score. Leave all that other stuff to Kyrie and Dragic. He can't be trusted to bring the ball up and isolate against this defense. If you have more TOs than FGM, you need to have a come to jesus moment with yourself.

Nash needs to be an actual leader and not a baby sitter and challenge KD to do better and put him in positions to succeed, but KD has single handedly cost this team two games with his decision making. It's not fair to everyone else on the team that comes in and does their job.

This is the first time I've ever seen this guy put himself before the team and actively hurt the squad. If he comes out in Game 3 doing more of the same, that will say a lot about KD.
He played horrible, but to be fair, it's their gameplan, especially in the 4th, where the game slows down. It's not like he was being selfish in my opinion. And he is too good to stop being aggressive, even when he's struggling.

Nashs gameplan is to give Irving and Durant the ball and let them play either iso, or iso after a soft pick and roll. Everyone else just stands around. You don't see anything else in the 4th in close games. You will never win a title like that, but actually Durant asked for that after leaving the Warriors.

This loss was tough though. I thought they lost the game late in the second and in the third. Many careless plays offensively and defensively. We could get a nice seperation to start the 4th if they were not so sloppy. With the game so close to start the 4th, the players tired and no easy buckets, the L was evident.

I just hope a real coaching staff takes over next season. Otherwise these are just wasted years

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The biggest issue is when we have a big lead, we dont coach like we have a big lead.

like up 17, make them outscore us by 18 by hitting half court 2 pointers.

up 15+ focus should be:

1) no live ball turnovers. those are instant points and momentum swings. id rather a 24 second violation with no shot attempt.

2) no threes. if someone gets beat, they get beat. dont help off the three point line. they wont erase a big lead if they cant take the highest efficiency shot in the game

3) no and-1s. if you foul, make damn well sure the shot doesnt go in. or conceed the FGA.

even with durant being awful. boston isnt going to outplay us by 18 points if we make them score in the half court, on 2 pointers. but instead we chuck up YOLO threes, turn it over like its our job and triple team off three point shooters.

ZERO situational awareness



Marks should be fired over this. I'm not sure how he remotely gets a pass for Nash.
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Post#470 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:47 am

A lot of doom and gloom in this thread. Which I understand.

Don't forget.

The Bucks were down 0-2 last year vs us. They were down 0-2 in the Finals.

Raptors were down 0-2 vs the Bucks.

Everyone claimed those series were over too. Its not over.

As Nets fans we have to believe. Get game 3 and 4. Then its a tossup.
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Post#471 » by JoseRizal » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:59 am

We can still get back on the series, guys. KD will not always have a bad game, Kyrie will definitely bounce back, Ben can contribute even in the slightest way and our other guys will pitch in. If there's any area I feel hopeless, it's the coaching. But I believe that from a talent standpoint, we can still overcome this Celtics team.
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Post#472 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:02 am

This Saturday, Barclays...Brooklyn... needs to step up and cause an earthquake!!!!

We need to be loud and proud... **** get Boston rattled n give life back into our players
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Post#473 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:04 am

CalamityX12 wrote:This Saturday, Barclays...Brooklyn... needs to step up and cause an earthquake!!!!

We need to be loud and proud... **** get Boston rattled n give life back into our players


Barclays is going to be the loudest ever. I really think our fanbase is getting better.

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Post#474 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:54 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:A lot of doom and gloom in this thread. Which I understand.

Don't forget.

The Bucks were down 0-2 last year vs us. They were down 0-2 in the Finals.

Raptors were down 0-2 vs the Bucks.

Everyone claimed those series were over too. Its not over.

As Nets fans we have to believe. Get game 3 and 4. Then its a tossup.


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Post#475 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:52 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:A lot of doom and gloom in this thread. Which I understand.

Don't forget.

The Bucks were down 0-2 last year vs us. They were down 0-2 in the Finals.

Raptors were down 0-2 vs the Bucks.

Everyone claimed those series were over too. Its not over.

As Nets fans we have to believe. Get game 3 and 4. Then its a tossup.


I've been a Net fan long enough to know that getting your hopes up is just going to make the inevitable painful.

Nash, Kyrie's absence, Harris getting hurt, Harden, KD's injury, Ben not being available...this season has been one disaster and disappointment after another. I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that we're coming back from this. Statistically, we are f*cked.

KD and Kyrie looked defeated after Game 2. Nash is clueless. I admire your grit, but this season was always meant to end this way.
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Post#476 » by Paradise » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:00 pm

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you put him in when he is ready. not before.

I think it’s more of a chemistry issue now than health issue.

At this point, I don’t care. Let him go out there and literally destroy their game plan with Ben being the facilitator and KD setting screens for HIM.


Chemistry is irrelevant. we dont run a team base system. and he is one of the easiest players to integrate since he defends and passes.

bull.

You need CHEMISTRY to PASS effectively without turnovers and with knowing the spots your teammates need or want the ball.

You need CHEMISTRY to defend effectively without fouling and knowing when to help, when to switch and when to go over a PnR or Drop Coverage.

You don’t roll out of bed not playing basketball for a whole year and figure that out successfully in a physical playoff series with a team he’s never debut for yet.
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Post#477 » by HardenGoat » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:32 pm

There are no screen sets to at least give Durant an initial space to work with. I can’t for the life of me understand why Nash abandoned using Griffin. He was playing great and even found his 3 point shot before getting shelved. He’s a good defender of paint drives. But more importantly he is a great screener and knows his role. He can distribute and set screens. That was working. This is just Nash iso ball. There isn’t even screen sets for players like Mills being run. It’s sad.
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Post#478 » by GTR11 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:33 pm

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Nic earned prove me type contract. 3y 30m on TO 4th year sound fair. Doubt he'll getting anything better. Not for 35 maybe 50 game guy who needs right environment. I'd take Hayes from NOP over him if option is available, better pack him and Joe for Turner and call it a day.
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Post#479 » by GTR11 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:48 pm

Paradise wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:I think it’s more of a chemistry issue now than health issue.

At this point, I don’t care. Let him go out there and literally destroy their game plan with Ben being the facilitator and KD setting screens for HIM.


Chemistry is irrelevant. we dont run a team base system. and he is one of the easiest players to integrate since he defends and passes.

bull.

You need CHEMISTRY to PASS effectively without turnovers and with knowing the spots your teammates need or want the ball.

You need CHEMISTRY to defend effectively without fouling and knowing when to help, when to switch and when to go over a PnR or Drop Coverage.

You don’t roll out of bed not playing basketball for a whole year and figure that out successfully in a physical playoff series with a team he’s never debut for yet.

Can't believe I'm siding with Prok here :lol: . For all that you said to be true, you need system in place. Since we ain't got one he can freestyle and still be effective. His game actually fits here flawlessly. Everything he does and wants to do makes this team that much better. Pushing ball creating fast break points will be game changer for us, and that's without mentioning his best ability, which is D. Taking on Tatum or Brown will allow KD concentrate on offense more. Perfect fit anyway you look at it.

Dragic can take rest of them minutes. Patty unplayable right now. He getting exposed big time. Anytime he's on the floor we get smoked ( sorry to through him under bus, its just obvious ).
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Post#480 » by GTR11 » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:A lot of doom and gloom in this thread. Which I understand.

Don't forget.

The Bucks were down 0-2 last year vs us. They were down 0-2 in the Finals.

Raptors were down 0-2 vs the Bucks.

Everyone claimed those series were over too. Its not over.

As Nets fans we have to believe. Get game 3 and 4. Then its a tossup.


I've been a Net fan long enough to know that getting your hopes up is just going to make the inevitable painful.

Nash, Kyrie's absence, Harris getting hurt, Harden, KD's injury, Ben not being available...this season has been one disaster and disappointment after another. I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that we're coming back from this. Statistically, we are f*cked.

KD and Kyrie looked defeated after Game 2. Nash is clueless. I admire your grit, but this season was always meant to end this way.

If Nash won't get fired I'll troll this board so hard :lol:

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