2023-24 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V3.0

[Thaddy]

Boucher's biggest problem in any sort of trade is salary matching; most playoff teams that can use an energy big off the bench don't have the cap space or exception to absorb him (Boston was a team that was mentioned to be interested in him), and they aren't likely to make a sidegrade by trading one of their own supporting players for him. I can see him fetching a few seconds and maybe there's a world where a team values him over a first in this draft but I don't think he's going to get, say, a 2025 1st even as an expiring.

Also not for nothing but he is coming off of an injury.

Atlanta trades:
Hunter
Okongwu

Receives:
Brown

Toronto trades:
Brown

Receives:
Hunter
2025 PHI 1st
2025 OKC 1st

OKC trades:
2025 OKC 1st
2025 PHI 1st

Receives:
Okongwu

Atlanta needs to shuffle salary and make room for Sarr. They don't need Okongwu anymore and offloading Hunter helps them with the tax apron.

Hunter would be a good fit and give up a bigger line up. It hypothetically moves Barnes and Barrett to the perimeter at the 2 and 3. One of them needs to show out next year as a creator and shooter for that to work though.

Poeltl - Olynyk
Barnes - Hunter
Barrett - Hunter
Dick - Agbaji
Quickely - Carter (19)

Peak delusional.

Brown isn't getting us 2 firsts. Not even in a salary dump like this.

These picks aren't very high value. A high second rounder would be worth more than picks in the late 20s due to contract flexibility. Both of the teams that are giving up those picks have MVP candidates.

[CazOnReal]

Boucher's biggest problem in any sort of trade is salary matching; most playoff teams that can use an energy big off the bench don't have the cap space or exception to absorb him (Boston was a team that was mentioned to be interested in him), and they aren't likely to make a sidegrade by trading one of their own supporting players for him. I can see him fetching a few seconds and maybe there's a world where a team values him over a first in this draft but I don't think he's going to get, say, a 2025 1st even as an expiring.

Also not for nothing but he is coming off of an injury.

Atlanta trades:
Hunter
Okongwu

Receives:
Brown

Toronto trades:
Brown

Receives:
Hunter
2025 PHI 1st
2025 OKC 1st

OKC trades:
2025 OKC 1st
2025 PHI 1st

Receives:
Okongwu

Atlanta needs to shuffle salary and make room for Sarr. They don't need Okongwu anymore and offloading Hunter helps them with the tax apron.

Hunter would be a good fit and give up a bigger line up. It hypothetically moves Barnes and Barrett to the perimeter at the 2 and 3. One of them needs to show out next year as a creator and shooter for that to work though.

Poeltl - Olynyk
Barnes - Hunter
Barrett - Hunter
Dick - Agbaji
Quickely - Carter (19)

Peak delusional.

Brown isn't getting us 2 firsts. Not even in a salary dump like this.

These picks aren't very high value. A high second rounder would be worth more than picks in the late 20s due to contract flexibility. Both of the teams that are giving up those picks have MVP candidates.

2 bad firsts (the worst of 24 pick from OKC), filler and a 2026 first got an All-NBA caliber player in Pascal Siakam.

There's no way OKC is giving up 2 firsts to (in essence) get Okongwu regardless of how "bad" they are. The value the Raptors are giving up vs. what OKC and the Hawks are giving up is ludicrously disproportionate. Hunter definitely needs a 1st attached to get off his contract but 2? Yeah, no.

[ItsDanger]

Some key teams need an experienced C. Trade Poeltl now while it's a good market. Otherwise, you run the risk of being stuck with him for 2+ more seasons.

[Tripod]

OKC gets: Poeltl and 2025 2nd pick (Tor)

GS gets: Giddey, Boucher and McDaniels (waive)

Toronto gets: Wiggins, Moody and future 1st pick (GS)

We won't be trading Yak.

We actually NEED to add a C to what we have....maybe 2.

It all depends what happens...Are we trying to compete for the playoffs next year? If thats the case you keep Poeltl even though i doubt that moves the needle...Yak might even ask to be traded behind the scenes as we all remember his public comments at the press conference "Im not here to be apart of a rebuilding team, I want to be playing for something"....As it looks right now we are exactly the team Yak said he did not want to be apart of...

I see it being a very big possiblity Yak gets traded this year...Could be to move up in the draft or at the trade deadline for best package available.

I think all of
GTJR
Chris Boucher
Yak
Brown
McDaniels

Could be gone this offseason.

Obviously if Yak asks out, that's entirely different.

They will want BBQDick to play with smart players. It's why they added Olynyk....but Boucher will be gone. Yak fits what they want and fills a massive hole that we all saw with him absent. They will add a young C to LEARN from Yak and KO and one day hopefully replace Yak naturally. Losing the depth on Koloko and Porter hurts and needs to be replaced. We are not going to make the hole even bigger...unless he asks out and we have no choice.

[Clutch0z24]

We won't be trading Yak.

We actually NEED to add a C to what we have....maybe 2.

It all depends what happens...Are we trying to compete for the playoffs next year? If thats the case you keep Poeltl even though i doubt that moves the needle...Yak might even ask to be traded behind the scenes as we all remember his public comments at the press conference "Im not here to be apart of a rebuilding team, I want to be playing for something"....As it looks right now we are exactly the team Yak said he did not want to be apart of...

I see it being a very big possiblity Yak gets traded this year...Could be to move up in the draft or at the trade deadline for best package available.

I think all of
GTJR
Chris Boucher
Yak
Brown
McDaniels

Could be gone this offseason.

Obviously if Yak asks out, that's entirely different.

They will want BBQDick to play with smart players. It's why they added Olynyk....but Boucher will be gone. Yak fits what they want and fills a massive hole that we all saw with him absent. They will add a young C to LEARN from Yak and KO and one day hopefully replace Yak naturally. Losing the depth on Koloko and Porter hurts and needs to be replaced. We are not going to make the hole even bigger...unless he asks out and we have no choice.

Yep and if we start the year losing lots and look just as bad as last year i have no doubt Yak asks out....Hes getting older and wants to be on a team that is in the playoffs.

[ArthurVandelay]

Some key teams need an experienced C. Trade Poeltl now while it's a good market. Otherwise, you run the risk of being stuck with him for 2+ more seasons.

Going to be competition

Allen, possibly Mitchell, Hartenstein and JV as an UFA, Capela (worst of group)

But I’m definitely on team trade Poeltl, and it’s nothing to do with him, he’s a fine player.

[Rapsfan07]

Some key teams need an experienced C. Trade Poeltl now while it's a good market. Otherwise, you run the risk of being stuck with him for 2+ more seasons.

Correct.

Raptors fans and front office fall in love far too quickly.

I liked Yak, don't get me wrong and he's a solid player but he's also an older vet on a very team friendly contract at a time where more than one C is going to be moving. It would be foolish to not at least see what he can net you.

If Jarrett Allen hits the market, he's going to command all the attention until he's dealt. Thankfully, the Grizzlies, Thunder and Pelicans need to make a change at C.

We need to strike now (this offseason).

[CazOnReal]

You know how Masai said "if we trade O.G. we'll be looking for another O.G." and we're doing just that i.e. we're trying to find a wing defender who can hit the 3?

It's going to be the same thing with Poeltl unless you're drafting a center which again, no guarantee Missi (rim protecting big) or Ware (stretch 5 with serious motor concerns), the two most obvious centers to select in this draft as a replacement, will be available at 19.

If Koloko was healthy and with the team then maybe i'd be open to trading Jakob because at least then you have someone who can protect the rim (in theory, Koloko needed to add some more size to his frame) but right now you're...
A) Going to have to compete with teams wanting Allen more

B) going to have teams who can opt for Capela as a budget rim protector

C) Going to have to match salary in addition to whatever draft capital you think you're getting (1 1st, a first and 2nd, etc.)

Yeah a team like OKC, Memphis, Pelicans or even the Rockets would like Poeltl but the market isn't exactly in a drought regarding traditional big men, and this is before you look at free agency where Claxton and Hartenstein are options.

This isn't "Poeltl is too valuable to trade!", it's "This is a bad time to trade Poeltl given the competition in the current market and the Raptors have f*ckall options at center if you're not getting a young 5 in return".

[Zeno]

Okay, I fearfully predicted it during the season and now that Denver is eliminated, I truly fear a MPJ trade. Like if Denver wanted us to do MPJ for Brown straight up we’re turning that down right?

[DreamTeam09]

Okay, I fearfully predicted it during the season and now that Denver is eliminated, I truly fear a MPJ trade. Like if Denver wanted us to do MPJ for Brown straight up we’re turning that down right?

Not at all, nor should we

[CazOnReal]

Okay, I fearfully predicted it during the season and now that Denver is eliminated, I truly fear a MPJ trade. Like if Denver wanted us to do MPJ for Brown straight up we’re turning that down right?

Denver's GM should be fired if they trade MPJ for Bruce Brown (I think Boucher needs to be included for salary), that's a fleece.

Yes he's overpaid and a ballstopper but his defense has been much improved and his outside shooting would be perfect on this team.

Offcourt though...he's a Porter, i'll just leave it at that. The fact that MPJ is considered the "normal" one is damning with praise if i'm being blunt.

[Zeno]

Okay, I fearfully predicted it during the season and now that Denver is eliminated, I truly fear a MPJ trade. Like if Denver wanted us to do MPJ for Brown straight up we’re turning that down right?

Denver's GM should be fired if they trade MPJ for Bruce Brown (I think Boucher needs to be included for salary), that's a fleece.

Yes he's overpaid and a ballstopper but his defense has been much improved and his outside shooting would be perfect on this team.

Offcourt though...he's a Porter, i'll just leave it at that. The fact that MPJ is considered the "normal" one is damning with praise if i'm being blunt.

In a cap league with the new CBA with the 2nd apron which they are in or close to, flexibility matters. So an expiring they trust to fit to get rid of a very overpaid player is good for them. They would create space to use their tax MLE. And it works straight up on the checker.

[CazOnReal]

Okay, I fearfully predicted it during the season and now that Denver is eliminated, I truly fear a MPJ trade. Like if Denver wanted us to do MPJ for Brown straight up we’re turning that down right?

Denver's GM should be fired if they trade MPJ for Bruce Brown (I think Boucher needs to be included for salary), that's a fleece.

Yes he's overpaid and a ballstopper but his defense has been much improved and his outside shooting would be perfect on this team.

Offcourt though...he's a Porter, i'll just leave it at that. The fact that MPJ is considered the "normal" one is damning with praise if i'm being blunt.

In a cap league with the new CBA with the 2nd apron which they are in or close to, flexibility matters. So an expiring they trust to fit to get rid of a very overpaid player is good for them. They would create space to use their tax MLE. And it works straight up on the checker.

I'm just going to leave it at this: There are way better players the Nuggets could get for Porter than Bruce Brown if they wanted to trade him while maintaining cap flexibility. I don't like MPJ as a person but as a player he is very talented.

[Zeno]

Denver's GM should be fired if they trade MPJ for Bruce Brown (I think Boucher needs to be included for salary), that's a fleece.

Yes he's overpaid and a ballstopper but his defense has been much improved and his outside shooting would be perfect on this team.

Offcourt though...he's a Porter, i'll just leave it at that. The fact that MPJ is considered the "normal" one is damning with praise if i'm being blunt.

In a cap league with the new CBA with the 2nd apron which they are in or close to, flexibility matters. So an expiring they trust to fit to get rid of a very overpaid player is good for them. They would create space to use their tax MLE. And it works straight up on the checker.

I'm just going to leave it at this: There are way better players the Nuggets could get for Porter than Bruce Brown if they wanted to trade him while maintaining cap flexibility. I don't like MPJ as a person but as a player he is very talented.

Well that is comforting actually because though I agree he’s a theoretical fit, that is a scary contract and player to add even if it were basically free.

[PhilBlackson]

Some key teams need an experienced C. Trade Poeltl now while it's a good market. Otherwise, you run the risk of being stuck with him for 2+ more seasons.

Correct.

Raptors fans and front office fall in love far too quickly.

I liked Yak, don't get me wrong and he's a solid player but he's also an older vet on a very team friendly contract at a time where more than one C is going to be moving. It would be foolish to not at least see what he can net you.

If Jarrett Allen hits the market, he's going to command all the attention until he's dealt. Thankfully, the Grizzlies, Thunder and Pelicans need to make a change at C.

We need to strike now (this offseason).

This would be THE ideal time to not only likely get the best haul for him possible but ensure we have a really good pick in next year's draft where we'd almost perfectly set up this team moving forward.

Have a truly talented young core, that will see a serious incline over the duration of Scottie's next contract and whichever rookie next year would be coming into their own right when Scottie is an actual UFA where if we had a very good running mate, he'd have to be silly to walk away from like how Tatum has with Brown.

If Masai trades Brown & Yak this off season, fr all is forgiven lol

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Unless there's a guarantee of getting Yves Missi or Kel'el Ware, you're not trading Poeltl. If you can clear up cap space to poach Claxton or Hartenstein? Maybe. But those aren't guarantees and Claxton, despite being an excellent defensive fit, is a worse passer than Poeltl and doesn't project to be anywhere near as good as Jakob is operating from the top of the key.

This is why Hartenstien is the answer. better passing better defending more mobile yak who may be able to shoot the 3 as well

[grant101]

If we trade Poeltl, IMO it has to be with some confidence that we'd be able to snag either Hartenstein or Claxton in free agency, or able to snag a stop gap some other way (e.g. S&T Gary for Capela +). It'll hurt everyone's development to go into next season without having someone with a little experience to play the position

[PhilBlackson]

If we trade Poeltl, IMO it has to be with some confidence that we'd be able to snag either Hartenstein or Claxton in free agency, or able to snag a stop gap some other way (e.g. S&T Gary for Capela +). It'll hurt everyone's development to go into next season without having someone with a little experience to play the position

Meh…

No one seemed bothered with how the season turned but just stayed focused on developing. One of the major reasons to move Poeltl is to ensure a better pick in next year’s draft, not just getting off his contract.

I’m certain we can take one of Ware, Missi, Edey, Holmes or Chomche to still have a big body to rim protect and rebound. Obviously probably not quite the level but we’re not trying to really compete right away. It’s all about developing and setting the team up for the future. One step back to take 2 forward.

[vanhill]

It takes time to develop a young player and if we can spend cap spaces to acquire those players with 2-3 years experience.

Quentin Grimes Is a good shooter who average 11points with the Knicks. He seems to be out of the Pistons plan and we can add him to get more depth at SG. He is a good replacement for Trent if we decided to leave the raps

[OAKLEY_2]

If we trade Poeltl, IMO it has to be with some confidence that we'd be able to snag either Hartenstein or Claxton in free agency, or able to snag a stop gap some other way (e.g. S&T Gary for Capela +). It'll hurt everyone's development to go into next season without having someone with a little experience to play the position

Meh…

No one seemed bothered with how the season turned but just stayed focused on developing. One of the major reasons to move Poeltl is to ensure a better pick in next year’s draft, not just getting off his contract.

I’m certain we can take one of Ware, Missi, Edey, Holmes or Chomche to still have a big body to rim protect and rebound. Obviously probably not quite the level but we’re not trying to really compete right away. It’s all about developing and setting the team up for the future. One step back to take 2 forward.

I think it would have to be Ware and if Jaxson Hayes rejects his player option we could sign him as well. 8th overall and just 23. I think we should consider packaging Poetl with Brown together to dangle to win now short window teams.