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[DaGawd]

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damn shame

i respect that leon went for it this past off season but it’s back to the drawing board this summer barring what takes place in the playoffs

he's not pulling the plug on his moves after one year...first it will be the coach that goes...then if it still doesn't work then there will be player moves.

thats just how it always works out.

i agree, at the very least… i hope we shop mikal if he isn’t willing to take a serious pay cut, giving him a significant cut in the salary cap will completely cook us if this is who he’s gonna be going forward

[DaGawd]

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damn shame

i respect that leon went for it this past off season but it’s back to the drawing board this summer barring what takes place in the playoffs

He took a risk but unfortunately the moves backfired. We just gotta move these guys for the next superstar that becomes available. This is a stars league. Brunson needs help badly.

yup and as a small guard there’s just really no telling how long his prime will be. we really need to urgently looks for a legit 1B at every opportunity

[3toheadmelo]

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[G_K_F]

Mikal is the type of soft player that doesn't fit our culture, this city or really any type of viable championship contender.

Now, if he was a 6th man who we didn't trade 5 firsts for he would be OK. We could make it work.

But that trade was made with high expectations for him. The Knicks valued him as worth 5 firsts. Clearly he has not lived up to that value.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mikal Snapshot

Drives Per Game:
24-25: 5.2
23-24: 11.1
22-23: 11.6

Time of Possession
24-25: 2.0
23-24: 2.8
22-23: 2.8

Dribbles Per Possession
24-25: 1.57
23-24: 2.35
22-23: 2.64

ISO Possessions
24-24: .2 (Rank 241)
23-24: 1.5 (Rank 62)
22-23: 2.0 (Rank 45)

P&R Ball Handler Possessions
24-25: 1.6 (Rank 146)
23-24: 4.6 (Rank 55)
22-23: 6.3 (Rank 33)

The PnR one is the most egregious, because we have a stretch 5 that doesn't even take 3s off a screen. You'd think someone would look at Mikal and say he and KAT should run some PnR action, but nope, never happens. If Brunson and KAT aren't going to do it, then try it with Mikal.


We're 22nd in ORTG over the last 10 games, 22nd.

We dropped from #2 to #5 in that stretch.

I really can't see Jalen being back in less than a month. We could be looking at the 6 seed come playoffs. We can't possibly fall any lower unless we lose 10 more games than MIA in our last 20.

Things just got very interesting around here in a bad way.

It's the 3 point shooting, we're not taking nearly enough. Even if you're missing it gives you a chance at long rebounds, that's what Mazzulla stresses with the Celtics. You see it all over the Warriors too, that team is tiny, they're 3rd in the league in 3pt attempts and 3rd in OREB. We're near the bottom of the league in attempts per game, last I checked we were 27th.

It's easy to blame Josh for the lack of threes too, but the Spurs are playing several meh shooters and take nearly 40 a game. The Warriors have Jimmy and Dray on the floor together and still get the shots up, even if you took away Steph they're taking 4 less per game than us. Thinking basketball did a feature on our offense, and we really are just hunting some of the worst type of shots there are and hoping we get an offensive rebound if we miss.

[Iron Mantis]

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Just checked, he averaged 22.1ppg per 36 in the clutch with the Wolves last season, Edwards averaged 27.9ppg. He's down to 11.3ppg with us, and that led me to curiosity about Bridges.


Mikal was 27.9ppg PER 36 in the clutch last season with the Nets, on 49.4% from the field, that was in 32 games. He's at 6.6ppg with us. What a shocker, both guys are way down from the previous season.

And they're trying to convince us that KAT and Mikal are suddenly terrible players and it has nothing to do with the coach's "offensive system".

[3toheadmelo]

damn shame

i respect that leon went for it this past off season but it’s back to the drawing board this summer barring what takes place in the playoffs

He took a risk but unfortunately the moves backfired. We just gotta move these guys for the next superstar that becomes available. This is a stars league. Brunson needs help badly.

yup and as a small guard there’s just really no telling how long his prime will be. we really need to urgently looks for a legit 1B at every opportunity

Ima be pissed if we waste his prime like we did with Melo

[mpharris36]

damn shame

i respect that leon went for it this past off season but it’s back to the drawing board this summer barring what takes place in the playoffs

he's not pulling the plug on his moves after one year...first it will be the coach that goes...then if it still doesn't work then there will be player moves.

thats just how it always works out.

i agree, at the very least… i hope we shop mikal if he isn’t willing to take a serious pay cut, giving him a significant cut in the salary cap will completely cook us if this is who he’s gonna be going forward

He's extension eligible this coming offseason. It will be interesting how it plays out. They are obviously extending him to some level...they gave up too much not too...I just don't see them trading him after one year and a coach that really doesn't run a strict offensive scheme which typically freezes out a non demanding lower usage mikal.

But timeline will be tough. Knicks FO has typically moved guys earlier than later if they don't sign an extension that they believe is worthy. Time will tell.

[RHODEY]

This team just ain’t clicking yet. Brunson will most probably miss tomorrow night’s game, at least. Is there any snowball’s chance in hell of Thibs playing Beauchamp and/or Watson once they get acclimated?

They had their chance to click. This is who they are.

How long is Brunson out for?

Grain of salt...he's been off before.

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[GettinitDone]

Missed this game...

Luka is a generational superstar you can't defend the 1st 2 shots he made in OT any better than Towns did... Luka lives for those shots

I really think Mikal being passive is the result of lack of plays for him... it's 10000% on the coach imo... now with JB out for extended time, I think we'll see more Mikal creating the offense, and with him getting more touches I think we'll see more playmaking from him to create shots for himself and others, I think he's very good at it, better than Hart imo, we'll be pleasantly surprised because what we'll find out, we'll be even madder at the coach, like why wasn't this happening more earlier in the season

[Jalen Bluntson]

They had their chance to click. This is who they are.

How long is Brunson out for?

Grain of salt...he's been off before.

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Grain of salt? Anywhere from 1 week to 2-3 months. Great analysis!

[RHODEY]

How long is Brunson out for?

Grain of salt...he's been off before.

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Grain of salt? Anywhere from 1 week to 2-3 months. Great analysis!

Well yeah...there only so much analysis one can do from an armchair. But atleast we have a range.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Grain of salt...he's been off before.

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Grain of salt? Anywhere from 1 week to 2-3 months. Great analysis!

Well yeah...there only so much analysis one can do from an armchair. But atleast we have a range.

We already had the range. One game or the rest of the season.

[mpharris36]

call me crazy, I said it last night...not in the wins category but the Knicks can actually come away a better team after this brunson in jury in the long term.

This is going to force guys into different roles and the offense by usage is going to change dramatically.

We were surviving on Brunson brilliance. Now other guys have to step up including the coach...no more Brunson crutch to carry the load. We have to be more creative and innovative.

Lets see how all this shakes out but Knicks have a chance to come out better for this going into playoffs with guys getting expanded roles and when Brunson comes back we can hopefully be clicking.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Grain of salt...he's been off before.

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Grain of salt? Anywhere from 1 week to 2-3 months. Great analysis!

Well yeah...there only so much analysis one can do from an armchair. But atleast we have a range.

With the way he reacted, I would expect 2-3 weeks. Plus, it just looks nasty





His kneecap is pointed at the cam, the bottom of his foot is pointed at the hoop.

[RHODEY]

Grain of salt? Anywhere from 1 week to 2-3 months. Great analysis!

Well yeah...there only so much analysis one can do from an armchair. But atleast we have a range.

We already had the range. One game or the rest of the season.

I heard Cancun is warm this time of year

[Jalen Bluntson]

call me crazy, I said it last night...not in the wins category but the Knicks can actually come away a better team after this brunson in jury in the long term.

This is going to force guys into different roles and the offense by usage is going to change dramatically.

We were surviving on Brunson brilliance. Now other guys have to step up including the coach...no more Brunson crutch to carry the load. We have to be more creative and innovative.

Lets see how all this shakes out but Knicks have a chance to come out better for this going into playoffs with guys getting expanded roles and when Brunson comes back we can hopefully be clicking.

I guess we need to see what the HC does amd exactly how long Brunson is out for. The longer it takes to get the injury report the worse it looks IMO.

I can only imagine Deuce getting the start and we figure it out as we go. That's all I expect from this HC. Plug in a bench player and increase everyone's minutes to makeup for the loss of Jalen. No adjustments. Just keep doing what we were doing and hoping it works.

What are the options really?

Start Deuce/Payne or Kolek. I could honestly see Thibs pulling Kolek out of the coal mines in Siberia and trying to START him. Only to bail after 4 minutes and never play him again. Sims 2.0.

[HEZI]

I heard that a 'modern coach' would have us beating all those teams whatever that new meme means. Its a coincidence that the coaches they want have the best players.

JJ Redick: Give the ball to Lebron or Luka and have them make a play
Knicks fans: wow he's such a genius modern NBA coach

Yeah, Lakers run a bunch of isos with guys standing around watching Luka and LeBron go your turn my turn. They don’t have some genius offense or genius coach, they just have guys who can do this

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wtf are you talking about bro?? The lakers are running a very sophisticated offense that involves extreme ball movement on every single possession. That video must be A.I

Oh the ball is moving alright

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Poetry in motion

[mpharris36]

call me crazy, I said it last night...not in the wins category but the Knicks can actually come away a better team after this brunson in jury in the long term.

This is going to force guys into different roles and the offense by usage is going to change dramatically.

We were surviving on Brunson brilliance. Now other guys have to step up including the coach...no more Brunson crutch to carry the load. We have to be more creative and innovative.

Lets see how all this shakes out but Knicks have a chance to come out better for this going into playoffs with guys getting expanded roles and when Brunson comes back we can hopefully be clicking.

I guess we need to see what the HC does amd exactly how long Brunson is out for. The longer it takes to get the injury report the worse it looks IMO.

I can only imagine Deuce getting the start and we figure it out as we go. That's all I expect from this HC. Plug in a bench player and increase everyone's minutes to makeup for the loss of Jalen. No adjustments. Just keep doing what we were doing and hoping it works.

What are the options really?

Start Deuce/Payne or Kolek. I could honestly see Thibs pulling Kolek out of the coal mines in Siberia and trying to START him. Only to bail after 4 minutes and never play him again. Sims 2.0.

Yeah my thought it Deuce starts...I don't think he would be dumb enough to start Cam Payne.

But if Deuce starts the playmaking is going to have to be by committee...more on ball reps for Mikal and Hart...really going to involve everyone.

We won't be better at all but we might get to figure out some stuff offensively we need to figure out before the playoffs....like getting Mikal going and getting KAT back on track.

[Jalen Bluntson]

My heart hurts right now.

We really have to battle the rest of the month without Jalen at the very least. I cannot see that injury being a one week and good to go situation. No way. I really hope next man up is still a thing like last year was. We don't know because Thibs doesn't trust any of them apparently. We shall see. Oh boy we shall see.