PG & GT #6 - Raptors (1-4) @ Calves (3-2) - October 31st, 2025 - 7:30PM EDT - TSN/1050AM

[720]

IQ and Poeltl are sinking this team.

[Thaddy]

IQ and Poeltl are sinking this team.

Give them 20 games. I think the next move is definitely to find a good back up big. I would consider RJ as a trade chip for that piece. A solid back up that protects the rim and turns guys back. I think having 2 bigs that could provide that instantly changes our team for the better. We would need a guy like Scottie to bring the rim pressure though.

[causal_fan]

IQ and Poeltl are sinking this team.

Give them 20 games. I think the next move is definitely to find a good back up big. I would consider RJ as a trade chip for that piece. A solid back up that protects the rim and turns guys back. I think having 2 bigs that could provide that instantly changes our team for the better. We would need a guy like Scottie to bring the rim pressure though.

In 20 games our gaze may be turning to the draft lottery once again

[Pointgod]

IQ and Poeltl are sinking this team.

Give them 20 games. I think the next move is definitely to find a good back up big. I would consider RJ as a trade chip for that piece. A solid back up that protects the rim and turns guys back. I think having 2 bigs that could provide that instantly changes our team for the better. We would need a guy like Scottie to bring the rim pressure though.

In 20 games our gaze may be turning to the draft lottery once again

Let’s hope so

[YogurtProducer]

Really using April numbers? You're better than that... And nah, RJ was the one who was impressive right away and IQ never lived up to his billing. We watched all those games. But I agree that was a wash because of how things went that season.

We really don't have a lot of games to base his production off of. From Feb-Apr in the year he was traded (so, kind of eliminating the games when he was thrown into a new system mid-season), he put up 20/5/7 on 57TS% in his first ever time as being a full time PG.

Last year was okay but also not quite 32 million good. But I agree that it was also a developmental season so whatever.

he also played more than 3 games in a row twice. 6 once, and 11 once.

But he's simply disappointing right now and there expectations now. And he hasn't played to his level considering his contract. And no, never said anything about all star. Just said good. And he simply hasn't been.

I have a feeling if he was hitting his 3 ball at the same rate as he has his entire career, and he was putting up 18/4/7 on 60TS% (or so) the conversation would be very different. This is just a massive overreaction to 6 bad games of shooting.

His per 36 scoring for his career is 19.6ppg on 15.5fga. This year he is at 15.5ppg on 13.4fga. He is not going to shoot the 3 this badly on this low of volume all season.

But you move the goalposts for the guys you like. And others get more scrutiny. It is what it is but if Scottie were struggling I don't think you'd be saying the same things.

Not really. If Scottie were struggling and there was historical data we could point to that showed he was just going through a rough stretch I would be more than happy to point that out.

In fact I did plenty of times this off-season regarding his 3-point shot that I thought would progress back up if he was getting more c+s opportunities instead of creating his own 3's, which is EXACTLY what has happened. Now, he won't stay at 50% but the fact he is being assisted on 84% of his 3's (equal to his career average), instead of 73% like last year, suggests to me he will shoot better than the 27% he did last year. Probably still not above average, maybe not even average, but better than nearly league bottom.

[YogurtProducer]

Give them 20 games. I think the next move is definitely to find a good back up big. I would consider RJ as a trade chip for that piece. A solid back up that protects the rim and turns guys back. I think having 2 bigs that could provide that instantly changes our team for the better. We would need a guy like Scottie to bring the rim pressure though.

In 20 games our gaze may be turning to the draft lottery once again

Let’s hope so

I'd rather hope we are 16-4, but that is just me.

[YogurtProducer]

This isn't about his shooting slump. It plays a part sure, but the problems with IQ go deeper than just shooting.

Agreed. I was a huge supporter of the IQ trade but its very clear that IQ just doesn't have enough experience as a lead playmaker for a team nor does he have the ability to create any type of separation from his defender. He's an adequate PG to pair along side Lebron or Luka of the worlds as a simple 3&D guy but we didn't pay him to be that, we paid him to be our lead playmaker.

His defense isn't even adequate enough to qualify as a 3 and D PG.

Y'all need to watch other teams man. IQ is far from a bad defender at the 1.

[Brinbe]

Really using April numbers? You're better than that... And nah, RJ was the one who was impressive right away and IQ never lived up to his billing. We watched all those games. But I agree that was a wash because of how things went that season.

We really don't have a lot of games to base his production off of. From Feb-Apr in the year he was traded (so, kind of eliminating the games when he was thrown into a new system mid-season), he put up 20/5/7 on 57TS% in his first ever time as being a full time PG.

Last year was okay but also not quite 32 million good. But I agree that it was also a developmental season so whatever.

he also played more than 3 games in a row twice. 6 once, and 11 once.

But he's simply disappointing right now and there expectations now. And he hasn't played to his level considering his contract. And no, never said anything about all star. Just said good. And he simply hasn't been.

I have a feeling if he was hitting his 3 ball at the same rate as he has his entire career, and he was putting up 18/4/7 on 60TS% (or so) the conversation would be very different. This is just a massive overreaction to 6 bad games of shooting.

His per 36 scoring for his career is 19.6ppg on 15.5fga. This year he is at 15.5ppg on 13.4fga. He is not going to shoot the 3 this badly on this low of volume all season.

But you move the goalposts for the guys you like. And others get more scrutiny. It is what it is but if Scottie were struggling I don't think you'd be saying the same things.

Not really. If Scottie were struggling and there was historical data we could point to that showed he was just going through a rough stretch I would be more than happy to point that out.

In fact I did plenty of times this off-season regarding his 3-point shot that I thought would progress back up if he was getting more c+s opportunities instead of creating his own 3's, which is EXACTLY what has happened. Now, he won't stay at 50% but the fact he is being assisted on 84% of his 3's (equal to his career average), instead of 73% like last year, suggests to me he will shoot better than the 27% he did last year. Probably still not above average, maybe not even average, but better than nearly league bottom.

Barfing out numbers to defend someone that has disappointed is so funny.

I guess you do love your small shooting guards, bro. First Freddie and now IQ.

But again, the entire thing people largely take issue with is his contract and if he can live up to it even if he does shoot better.

[YogurtProducer]

Really using April numbers? You're better than that... And nah, RJ was the one who was impressive right away and IQ never lived up to his billing. We watched all those games. But I agree that was a wash because of how things went that season.

We really don't have a lot of games to base his production off of. From Feb-Apr in the year he was traded (so, kind of eliminating the games when he was thrown into a new system mid-season), he put up 20/5/7 on 57TS% in his first ever time as being a full time PG.

Last year was okay but also not quite 32 million good. But I agree that it was also a developmental season so whatever.

he also played more than 3 games in a row twice. 6 once, and 11 once.

But he's simply disappointing right now and there expectations now. And he hasn't played to his level considering his contract. And no, never said anything about all star. Just said good. And he simply hasn't been.

I have a feeling if he was hitting his 3 ball at the same rate as he has his entire career, and he was putting up 18/4/7 on 60TS% (or so) the conversation would be very different. This is just a massive overreaction to 6 bad games of shooting.

His per 36 scoring for his career is 19.6ppg on 15.5fga. This year he is at 15.5ppg on 13.4fga. He is not going to shoot the 3 this badly on this low of volume all season.

But you move the goalposts for the guys you like. And others get more scrutiny. It is what it is but if Scottie were struggling I don't think you'd be saying the same things.

Not really. If Scottie were struggling and there was historical data we could point to that showed he was just going through a rough stretch I would be more than happy to point that out.

In fact I did plenty of times this off-season regarding his 3-point shot that I thought would progress back up if he was getting more c+s opportunities instead of creating his own 3's, which is EXACTLY what has happened. Now, he won't stay at 50% but the fact he is being assisted on 84% of his 3's (equal to his career average), instead of 73% like last year, suggests to me he will shoot better than the 27% he did last year. Probably still not above average, maybe not even average, but better than nearly league bottom.

Barfing out numbers to defend someone that has disappointed is so funny.

lol alright. So using some actual data to have a justified stance is barfing?

I guess I should just stick to unreasonable outrage.

[ItsDanger]

Its one thing to be a bad or mediocre team but it's entirely something else to be a boring team. And this roster isn't very exciting.

[Thaddy]

Its one thing to be a bad or mediocre team but it's entirely something else to be a boring team. And this roster isn't very exciting.

The as good as it gets in the modern NBA. We are playing a run and gun style. What do you find entertaining?

[Indeed]

22/5/5 on 59 TS% as a Starter for the Knicks in 27 games.

People have this weird idea that he's only been good as a 6th man when in fact he had been much better as a starter.

We were betting that he could take another leap with more opportunity, hasn't worked out as well as we have hoped yet for various reasons. But, there's still time to turn things around.

And he’s been pretty good here as well - the 6 games to start this year have been the outlier really.

He’s gonna shoot better than this more than likely, you can almost guarantee that.

Main thing is he's been hurt a lot and had his minutes limited when he did play last season. The PER 36 numbers were pretty good though.

I would say his advanced metrics have been a bit disappointing as well as he had a track record of being really good in New York in on court and on/off splits, but it's taken a hit since coming here.

Might have to do with Poeltl not playing well. The fit with Barnes was never there, and that was the experience from last year. Might not even fit with Ingram, as their shot diet are pretty much the same. Howewer, our roster is flawed where you need shooting, defense, handling and point skill