Laker's supporting cast - over rated ?

USA · Post #461 » by **USA** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:39 pm

C'mon Cavs wrote:
Gasol was invisible on offense.

Because they didn't give him the ball. He's one of the best low post scorers in the NBA and he only got one post up opportunity that I can recall. Apparently Kobe's twisting fadeaways are the preferred shot in L.A.

Exactly how many twisting fadaways did Kobe take last night?

Frosty · Post #462 » by **Frosty** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:40 pm

Benedict_Boozer wrote:I always thought fans of a team overrated their own players, but the opposite seems to be happening in this thread...no homer love for Gasol, Odom, and Co. apparently in LA.

Can't afford to, if they lose they need scapegoats.

TDG26 · Post #463 » by **TDG26** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:53 pm

Ball Boy wrote:
Benedict_Boozer wrote:I always thought fans of a team overrated their own players, but the opposite seems to be happening in this thread...no homer love for Gasol, Odom, and Co. apparently in LA.

I love Gasol and Odom. But I have problems with both. Odom disappears way too many times, and usually when we need him most.

That has alot to do with kmart and ron ron defending him. He atleast burns them on the 3 if they leave him open but he cannot drive on either one, when he does he gets a tough layup/hook that doesnt go in most of the time. While we do need him to produce in points i realistically cannot expect him to against Kmart so i hope he steps up in doing other things mainly rebounding (which he has).

shobe_81 · Post #464 » by **shobe_81** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:03 pm

USA wrote:
C'mon Cavs wrote:
Gasol was invisible on offense.

Because they didn't give him the ball. He's one of the best low post scorers in the NBA and he only got one post up opportunity that I can recall. Apparently Kobe's twisting fadeaways are the preferred shot in L.A.

Exactly how many twisting fadaways did Kobe take last night?

He thinks Kobe is a 6'8" 260 IB who can rely on athleticism and dunk every time. Yep get Gasol and Bynum the ball when they're NOT fighting for the position and at the same time are getting pushed out to the perimeter while Kobe has a 6 ft Anthony Carter or a Dauntey Jones who won't jump to defend Kobe's fadeaway.

I don't think he knows much about basketball, so it's not worth it to argue basketball.

eatyourchildren · Post #465 » by **eatyourchildren** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:12 pm

There are many times that the Lakers supporting cast is good. Last night wasn't really one of them.

Kobe is the one who drove and dished out for wide open 3 pters. The only thing the supporting cast got right last night as crashing the O-Boards.

Showtime:Part2 · Post #466 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:23 pm

the only time the Laker supporting cast has been good this year has been in the regular season and the games against Utah. they have mutinied against the Lakers since then and can be found near Catalina Island with a couple cubes of Busch Light, basking in the sun and fishing.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #467 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:19 pm

and u guys are "Laker fans" huh? Its called a supporting cast for a reason..cause theyre just there for support for Kobe. Not carry the team, which seems like thats what u want from the team.

Theyre the #1 rebounding team in the regular season...and are #3 so far in the playoffs(#2 in offensive rebounds)......with Kobe on the bench they do better than most other teams with their star on the bench. Theyre #2 in the league in 3pt percentage these playoffs. What games are u guys watching?

Showtime:Part2 · Post #468 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:24 pm

CB4MiamiHeat wrote:and u guys are "Laker fans" huh? Its called a supporting cast for a reason..cause theyre just there for support for Kobe. Not carry the team, which seems like thats what u want from the team.

Theyre the #1 rebounding team in the regular season...and are #3 so far in the playoffs(#2 in offensive rebounds)......with Kobe on the bench they do better than most other teams with their star on the bench. Theyre #2 in the league in 3pt percentage these playoffs. What games are u guys watching?

i'm watching the games where gasol lets scola drop 25+ points on him in a close-out game. i'm watching the game where bynum picks up 5 fouls in 15 minutes. i'm watching the game where vujacic shoots 1-100000000. i'm watching the game where fisher gets dominated by a second year point guard who just started getting minutes halfway through this season. i'm watching the game where the nuggets front-court, which doesn't have any all-stars, outscores and outhustles gasol/odom/bynum.

the only exception to this is ariza.

what games are you watching?

in all honesty, our frontline disappearing was expected. gasol and bynum are soft, and odom has always been inconsistent. what i did NOT expect was vujacic and fisher to miss so many wide open 3s. we simply can't space the floor because those guys can't hit, and it's ruining our offense.

HouMac · Post #469 » by **HouMac** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:31 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:the only time the Laker supporting cast has been good this year has been in the regular season and the games against Utah.

And this is supposed to help the sad agenda of this thread? Oh poor Kobe, his supporting cast has had a couple of bad games in the playoffs. Kobe on the other hand has been oh-so consistent...

Wade2k6 · Post #470 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:40 pm

Bgil wrote:
Wade2k6 wrote:I love how all the blame is put on the supporting cast, but no blame is ever put on Kobe. Kobe didn't show up for game 7, his supporting cast did. And now all the sudden it's "OH WELL DID YOU SEE THE GAMES BEFORE??"

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Lol @ the idea of Kobe not showing up. Please stop depending on box scores for your analysis.

in fact, kobe took great shots in game 7 outside of that super deep bizaro three at the end of the first half. several of his misses drew so much attention that the bigs litterally walked down the lane to recover the miss and put it back in. He fed the post beatifully, controlled the tempo, played great d, and didn't force anything. Notice that Kobe was a plus 19 or so despite not playing a ton of minutes and just coasting through garbage time.

LOL @ you.

14 points, 7 boards, 6 assists while shooting 33% from the field is nothing to brag about if you're a Kobe fanboy (like you are).

HouMac · Post #471 » by **HouMac** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:41 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:
what i did NOT expect was vujacic and fisher to miss so many wide open 3s. we simply can't space the floor because those guys can't hit, and it's ruining our offense.

You do know that Kobe's cast is shooting 42% from downtown in the playoffs? LeBron's cast is shooting 35%. WTF do you guys want? You have a big man giving you 18/11/55% a night. Odom averaging a double-double and your shooters shooting a terrific % from 3pt line. WTF do you want? Want your team to play better? Then pray Kobe shoots better and stops stinking it up every other night.

This thread is a joke. It's like you guys have realized Kobe is no longer that good and likely to blow another postseason run with his inconsistency. And thus the creation of this giant EXCUSE thread. See, the groupies KNOW Kobe has no excuses. They KNOW how talented this team is. But they have also lost confidence in Kobe and don't feel like he can finally win them a championship. They need SOMEONE to take the fall when/if that happens. This is who these Kobe boys are...it's always been "anyone but Kobe" to them. When things don't go as planned, blame anyone and everyone not named Kobe. It's pathetic.

Dat Pass · Post #472 » by **Dat Pass** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:44 pm

HouMac wrote:This thread is a joke. It's like you guys have realized Kobe is no longer that good and likely to blow another postseason run with his inconsistency. And thus the creation of this giant EXCUSE thread. You groupies are a joke.

The Lakers are 3 wins away from yet another Finals appearance.

I doubt many Laker fans give a rats ass what you think.

You know what else is funny? Theres a thread about how LeBron is doing it with the worst supporting cast ever.. So if this is a pre-emptive excuse, then what the f*** is that?

Wade2k6 · Post #473 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:49 pm

HouMac wrote:You do know that Kobe's cast is shooting 42% from downtown in the playoffs? LeBron's cast is shooting 35%. WTF do you guys want? You have a big man giving you 18/11/55% a night. Odom averaging a double-double and your shooters shooting a terrific % from 3pt line. WTF do you want? Want your team to play better? Then pray Kobe shoots better and stops stinking it up every other night.

This thread is a joke. It's like you guys have realized Kobe is no longer that good and likely to blow another postseason run with his inconsistency. And thus the creation of this giant EXCUSE thread. You groupies are a joke.

I agree 100% with this comment.

HouMac · Post #474 » by **HouMac** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:52 pm

Ball Boy wrote:So if this is a pre-emptive excuse, then what the f*** is that?

That is the TRUTH. This is a BS exuse. Big difference.

Dat Pass · Post #475 » by **Dat Pass** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:54 pm

HouMac wrote:
Ball Boy wrote:So if this is a pre-emptive excuse, then what the f*** is that?

That is the TRUTH. This is a BS exuse. Big difference.

Oh really? LeBron has "the least support ever"?

:roll:

You are an absolute joke.

And how is this thread an excuse? An excuse for what? Being up 1-0 in the WCF?

Wade2k6 · Post #476 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:17 pm

Ball Boy wrote:
HouMac wrote:
Ball Boy wrote:So if this is a pre-emptive excuse, then what the f*** is that?

That is the TRUTH. This is a BS exuse. Big difference.

Oh really? LeBron has "the least support ever"?

You are an absolute joke.

And how is this thread an excuse? An excuse for what? Being up 1-0 in the WCF?

It's an excuse for if/when the Lakers lose. It's an excuse to get Kobe out of blame for if/when he can't lead the Lakers to a title as a #1 option.

Dat Pass · Post #477 » by **Dat Pass** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:22 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:It's an excuse for if/when the Lakers lose. It's an excuse to get Kobe out of blame for if/when he can't lead the Lakers to a title as a #1 option.

Ok.. Then what is the thread "Does LeBron have the least support ever" all about?

Blame Rasho · Post #478 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:24 pm

They are both potential excuse threads that fanboys glorify in order to prop their favorite player.

Wade2k6 · Post #479 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:26 pm

Ball Boy wrote:
Wade2k6 wrote:It's an excuse for if/when the Lakers lose. It's an excuse to get Kobe out of blame for if/when he can't lead the Lakers to a title as a #1 option.

Ok.. Then what is the thread "Does LeBron have the least support ever" all about?

Either to try to make him sound much better then Kobe/Wade, or if he doesn't win CLE fans can just say "CLE has a very weak supporting cast" so that would be the reason why they lost, with no blame given to LeBron.

Dat Pass · Post #480 » by **Dat Pass** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:33 pm

Wade2k6 wrote:
Ball Boy wrote:
Wade2k6 wrote:It's an excuse for if/when the Lakers lose. It's an excuse to get Kobe out of blame for if/when he can't lead the Lakers to a title as a #1 option.

Ok.. Then what is the thread "Does LeBron have the least support ever" all about?

Either to try to make him sound much better then Kobe/Wade, or if he doesn't win CLE fans can just say "CLE has a very weak supporting cast" so that would be the reason why they lost, with no blame given to LeBron.

Well at least your consistant. I dont get how HouMac thinks this thread is just an excuse for Kobe fans, and the LeBron one isnt.