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Post#481 » by shakendfries » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:04 am

to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

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Post#482 » by letsgosuns » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:20 am

shakendfries wrote:to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

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I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.
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Post#483 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:30 am

I'm only interested in drafting the next franchise star.

I don't think players 3 to 15 on Cleveland, GS, Spurs, OKC, Chicago, Clippers, Houston are any better than ours.

It's franchise players 1 and 2.
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Post#484 » by thamadkant » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:44 am

I like Lopez from the Nets. Only 27 and a scorer and a shot blocker with ok rebounding.

But heck no for a Suns top 10 pick.

Chandler, Morris, Tucker and a top 10 protected pick yes.
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Post#485 » by shakendfries » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:55 am

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shakendfries wrote:to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

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Brook + Thad for Bledsoe or Knight + Morris + Goodwin + 2016 top 3 protected


I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.


I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack
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Post#486 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:05 am

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3. Minnesota 4.Brooklyn

Us
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6. Denver 7. New Orleans

It looks like a clear top 2 draft - Simmons and Ingram, hopefully we get some luck.


I think there is a decent chance Minnesota catches us. They should only get better. Brooklyn maybe too if they make some deals. But even if we are top 5, we can probably get a pretty good player and a pretty good chance to move top 3.
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Post#487 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:13 am

shakendfries wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
shakendfries wrote:to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

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Brook + Thad for Bledsoe or Knight + Morris + Goodwin + 2016 top 3 protected


I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.


I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


I don't mind it, and I'm sure some would possibly love it, like TASTIC here. The only thing exciting for us this season is that lotto pick and finally rebuilding. However, with a pretty huge upgrade at center, and that pick, which likely won't net a great player anyway, and I like Jack, we clear more playing time for Booker, upgrade our center, still keep our pick if we have a chance at Simmons, Ingram or Bender, which doesn't seem like much downside....unless people are crazy for a chance at Ellenson, Dunn, or whoever else.

However, that pick would HAVE to continue to have at least top 3 protection for another couple of years at least, and probably top 5 protection for a few, years, then dropping to top 3.
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Post#488 » by shakendfries » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:48 am

bwgood77 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.


I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


I don't mind it, and I'm sure some would possibly love it, like TASTIC here. The only thing exciting for us this season is that lotto pick and finally rebuilding. However, with a pretty huge upgrade at center, and that pick, which likely won't net a great player anyway, and I like Jack, we clear more playing time for Booker, upgrade our center, still keep our pick if we have a chance at Simmons, Ingram or Bender, which doesn't seem like much downside....unless people are crazy for a chance at Ellenson, Dunn, or whoever else.

However, that pick would HAVE to continue to have at least top 3 protection for another couple of years at least, and probably top 5 protection for a few, years, then dropping to top 3.


Jack did a really good job starting at PG for us earlier this season, but he tore his ACL - I'm not even sure if his contract could be traded. He's not guaranteed, so it would purely be for the cap relief.

If not, I'd be willing to throw in Bogdanovic for Goodwin:

Knight + Chandler + Goodwin + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Bogdanovic
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Post#489 » by TASTIC » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.


I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


I don't mind it, and I'm sure some would possibly love it, like TASTIC here. The only thing exciting for us this season is that lotto pick and finally rebuilding. However, with a pretty huge upgrade at center, and that pick, which likely won't net a great player anyway, and I like Jack, we clear more playing time for Booker, upgrade our center, still keep our pick if we have a chance at Simmons, Ingram or Bender, which doesn't seem like much downside....unless people are crazy for a chance at Ellenson, Dunn, or whoever else.

However, that pick would HAVE to continue to have at least top 3 protection for another couple of years at least, and probably top 5 protection for a few, years, then dropping to top 3.

I do like Lopez but wouldn't include our pick in any deal unless Cousins or Blake (or another superstar) are included. Lopez is a star but he doesn't overly fit with us if we're rebuilding...I completely agree with tearing it down and starting over, which we need picks for - not an injury prone 27yr old (albeit a very good one!)
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Post#490 » by Saberestar » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:09 pm

Not rumors at all. Hopefully we finally make a move and grab a decent prospect or pick for Markieff.

Boston has lost 4 games in a row, they probably want to make some changes. I like some players on their roster...Bradley, Smart, Crowder and even Sullinger can be great additions. They have a ton of pics too and a big expiring contract in David Lee.

Well, we will see...
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Post#491 » by carey » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:10 pm

shakendfries wrote:How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


What gave you the impression that McDonough is willing to attach a 1st rounder to move Brandon Knight? He just used a highly valuable 1st rounder to acquire him. We could hold on to him and salary dump him rather easily over the Summer when every team will be looking to add talent and have the cap space to do so. You're undervaluing Knight and overvaluing Lopez. I'm sorry your GM raided the pantry and you don't have a 1st rounder this year. It sucks. We've been there. You're not going to swindle us for one though. I'd say try Sacramento but Philly beat you to the punch.
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Post#492 » by TASTIC » Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:15 pm

Two days til Brewer can be dealt (among many others), so hold onto your butts...
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Post#493 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:50 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


I don't mind it, and I'm sure some would possibly love it, like TASTIC here. The only thing exciting for us this season is that lotto pick and finally rebuilding. However, with a pretty huge upgrade at center, and that pick, which likely won't net a great player anyway, and I like Jack, we clear more playing time for Booker, upgrade our center, still keep our pick if we have a chance at Simmons, Ingram or Bender, which doesn't seem like much downside....unless people are crazy for a chance at Ellenson, Dunn, or whoever else.

However, that pick would HAVE to continue to have at least top 3 protection for another couple of years at least, and probably top 5 protection for a few, years, then dropping to top 3.

I do like Lopez but wouldn't include our pick in any deal unless Cousins or Blake (or another superstar) are included. Lopez is a star but he doesn't overly fit with us if we're rebuilding...I completely agree with tearing it down and starting over, which we need picks for - not an injury prone 27yr old (albeit a very good one!)


Yeah, it all depends on whether we want that depth at center and a vet as opposed to Chandler and want to clear time for Booker. I wouldn't want to trade the pick either and would probably want Jack if the medical team thought he could be worth a flyer to see if he could be back up PG next year to play with Bogdan. I would only want to trade the pick if it was about top 7 protected the next couple of years though. This year, outside of the top 3, or possibly top 5, I doubt there is a guy that is that much of a difference maker.

I don't think McD would want to trade Knight unless he felt he was holding up Booker.
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Post#494 » by Son of Ra » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:45 pm

I think there is a 0% chance of McD trading Chandler unless he either asks for a trade publicly or is included in a deal for a star. It would look terrible (for the Suns and McD) and would further decrease our chances of signing good FAs if we keep pitching, signing and then shipping them out.
Same for Knight Imo.
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Post#495 » by pidi » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:54 pm

Noah unhappy in chicago. Get something done. I like his high energy oncourt...
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Post#496 » by Saberestar » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:04 pm

pidi wrote:Noah unhappy in chicago. Get something done. I like his high energy oncourt...

Noah for Chandler. Tyson is not gonna be happy on a rebuilding team, so he would be OK with this trade.
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Post#497 » by pidi » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:06 pm

Noah & Gibson for Kieff & Chandler
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Post#498 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:33 pm

shakendfries wrote:to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

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No and no on both deals.
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Post#499 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:59 pm

Noahs on expiring contract so unless the trade is to simply dump Chandlers deal then buy out Noah why would the suns have any interest?

And oh my god no to trading away the pick to the Nets for Lopez and Thad... I'm not sure I'd do that trade even if the pick wasn't involved.
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Post#500 » by letsgosuns » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:08 pm

shakendfries wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
shakendfries wrote:to reiterate, I'm also willing to consider settling for Knight instead

BKN PHX
Brook + Thad for Bledsoe or Knight + Morris + Goodwin + 2016 top 3 protected


I have no interest in Lopez or Thad. Those guys are signed to long term deals and I doubt are ever going to get better than they already are. The Suns need to rebuild. That is also why I am not willing to give up the Suns pick in the 2016 draft with or without protection for anyone besides an MVP caliber talent. However, would you be willing to do a Knight, Morris, and Tucker for Joe Johnson straight up trade? This way the Suns can get an expiring contract and give all their playing time to the young players and go for the number one pick.


I like it, but don't love it. I'm confused- the only MVP talent in the draft is Simmons and Ingram. The pick would be top 3 protected, so if the Suns actually had a shot at a game changer they'd have their own draft pick. If I'm the Nets, I'm not making a deal for Knight without the 2016 pick.

How about this:
Knight + Chandler + 2016 top 3 protected for Lopez + Jack


Welll no one really knows who is an MVP talent in the draft until years after the draft is over. Anyway, I flat out do not want Lopez or Jack under any circumstances. I would not trade any kind of draft pick for them. I think Lopez's contract is awful and the Suns do not need anymore old point guards. I feel the same way about most of the Suns team. If the Suns said to another random team I will trade you Bledsoe, Knight, Markieff, Tucker, and Chandler combined (the opening night starting lineup) for your top ten pick, I would say absolutely not if I was the other team. I would rather have a top ten pick anywhere in the top ten over all five of those players combined.

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