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Re: Crowdfund a Fire GarPax Billboard: UPDATE PG 17: Billboard IS UP @ Lake/Racine! 

Post#481 » by League Circles » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:18 am

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I'd agree. I think people are tired of him here, and I can understand why, but he'd have an easy time selling his strengths and successes. He'd also be able to discuss how he head to work under strict salary guidelines and still built successful, highly profitable teams. I doubt Paxson wants another GM job, but if he did, I think it'd be easy to find. I also don't think he has poisoned relationships around the league or anything like Krause.


I'd be stunned if Paxson got hired to run another team. The odds seem really small of another team hiring a retread who's never taken a team to the finals and who has been disastrous for the past five years.


To back this up, Joe Dumars hasn't gotten another job yet and he was much more successful than Paxson.

Dumars had like 6 straight bad losing seasons to end his tenure with Detroit. I'm not going to look up the win loss record but I bet Paxson has him beat. Of course he did win the one title, but 6 straight bad losing seasons is a lot. Maybe Pax will now do that, but I believe he's only had 2 so far and none for a decade.
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Re: Crowdfund a Fire GarPax Billboard: UPDATE PG 17: Billboard IS UP @ Lake/Racine! 

Post#482 » by GetBuLLish » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:34 am

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GetBuLLish wrote:I'd be stunned if Paxson got hired to run another team. The odds seem really small of another team hiring a retread who's never taken a team to the finals and who has been disastrous for the past five years.


:dontknow:

Like I said, this just shows your bias.

Paxson can:
1: Point to one of the best draft records in the NBA over his tenure


In the past 5 years, name his best draft picks. I'll wait. And drafting is by far his best trait since he's dreadful at trades and FA signings. Yet he's been pathetic in his best department for the past five years, no small sample size and usually a long enough time period for most GMs in all team sports in America to get fired.

Also, competent owners are smart enough to know that Paxson's most recent five years of work is more relevant to the prior five+ years.

2: Show that he has very effectively managed the cap


Managed the cap to what end? Being a GM is about winning, not managing the cap. Managing the cap is simply a means to an end.

3: That he has managed the financial end and made his owners tons of profits and created value without paying tax


A well trained monkey could have made tons of profits running the Bulls organization for the past 15 years. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the league. I assume you're giving credit to Isaiah Thomas and Phil Jackson.

4: That he has generally avoided bad contracts and costly mistakes and has found outs for them


Besides this being incredibly subjective, the bar your setting here is also incredibly low. Even assuming he has avoided bad contracts (I would disagree; see Boozer, Wade, Rondo, Rip Hamilton, etc.), big deal. Again, the point is to win. Not to avoid bad contracts.

5: That he has rebuilt his team twice after it failed in a very short period of time


Can you explain exactly what you're referring to here?

6: My subjective guess, he has a good reputation around the league with other GMs


And my guess is his reputation is probably strongest in Denver, Golden State, OKC, and Minny (well, maybe not Minny :lol: )

He held one job so far and kept his ownership happy for long enough to be one of the longest tenured GMs in US pro sports.


This has more to do with the incompetence of ownership rather than the track record of Paxson. Virtually every single owner in all of US pro sports would have **** Paxson by now. This I don't even think is debatable. The overwhelming majority of the NBA world agree that GarPax are not good at their jobs. As an example, ESPN recently ranked GarPax as the 4th worst management in the league.
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Re: Crowdfund a Fire GarPax Billboard: UPDATE PG 17: Billboard IS UP @ Lake/Racine! 

Post#483 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:02 am

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FriedRise wrote:Well, it's good that the billboard got some local coverage. Problem is, WGN decided to laugh it off.

Read on Twitter


So, we're making fun of someone for using an intelligent word?

Trump is the president too? This is not America, no
This is not, (sha la la la la).

People have agendas. He doesn't like the billboard, and is pro FO I'm guessing. It's a silly deal for sure. The way to ask for change is not to go to Bulls games, or to ask people not to go. A billboard that asked people not to go to Bulls games would have been more impressive. I like that it's there, don't get me wrong. I just wish it was part of a situation where people were effectively using their disgust to actually disengage from spending money on Bulls products. That would scare ownership more than a billboard like we see here. On the bright side, depending on how you feel, ticket sales and interest have been declining from what I understand. Maybe it's all happening at the same time.
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Re: Crowdfund a Fire GarPax Billboard: UPDATE PG 17: Billboard IS UP @ Lake/Racine! 

Post#484 » by Stratmaster » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:16 am

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FriedRise wrote:Well, it's good that the billboard got some local coverage. Problem is, WGN decided to laugh it off.

Read on Twitter


So, we're making fun of someone for using an intelligent word?

Trump is the president too? This is not America, no
This is not, (sha la la la la).

People have agendas. He doesn't like the billboard I'm guessing. It's a silly deal for sure. The way to ask for change is not to go to Bulls games, or to ask people not to go. A billboard that asked people not to go to Bulls games would have been more impressive. I like that it's there, don't get me wrong. I just wish it was part of a situation where people were effectively using their disgust to actually scare ownership.


C'mon though, you gotta admit, dude has great comedic timing and delivery.
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Post#485 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:27 am

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C'mon though, you gotta admit, dude has great comedic timing and delivery.

Readers of the Sun Times are not laughing

Does WGN have an an affiliation with the Chicago Tribune? :thinking:
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Post#486 » by The Explorer » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:28 am

I don't think anyone is hiring a guy who goes around choking coaches after hiring them.
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Post#487 » by Paxson43 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:42 am

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FriedRise wrote:Well, it's good that the billboard got some local coverage. Problem is, WGN decided to laugh it off.

Read on Twitter


I'm sorry but that's absolutely hilarious :lol:
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Post#488 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:43 am

Not that it matters but I think using a word like ignominy is unnecessary and pretentious. The point of language is to effectively get your point across, and using a word as obscure as that isn't helping anybody.

I thought it was pretty funny that guy ripped in to him :D
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Post#489 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:50 am

GimmeDat wrote:Not that it matters but I think using a word like ignominy is unnecessary and pretentious. The point of language is to effectively get your point across, and using a word as obscure as that isn't helping anybody.

I thought it was pretty funny that guy ripped in to him :D

Pretentious word, IDK, in this context, yeah. His whole rant about book learnin' was pretty stupid at the same time. Lots of that sort of attitude about bashing young people in college, or those with some higher education as somehow compromised or misguided has been a theme lately, which is one reason I wasn't laughing. Just hit too close to home. I didn't appreciate his angle.
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Re: Crowdfund a Fire GarPax Billboard: UPDATE PG 17: Billboard IS UP @ Lake/Racine! 

Post#490 » by Paxson43 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:59 am

fleet wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Not that it matters but I think using a word like ignominy is unnecessary and pretentious. The point of language is to effectively get your point across, and using a word as obscure as that isn't helping anybody.

I thought it was pretty funny that guy ripped in to him :D

Pretentious word, IDK, in this context, yeah. His whole rant about book learnin' was pretty stupid at the same time. Lots of that sort of attitude about bashing young people in college, or those with some higher education as somehow compromised or misguided has been a theme lately, which is one reason I wasn't laughing. Just hit too close to home. I didn't appreciate his angle.


It was a part of his shtick, the dude said he had two degrees or something to that effect so I don't think he's bagging on educated individuals.
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Post#491 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:08 am

But it totally took away from the fire Gar/Pax angle

Like really because he used a fancy word. You're going to focus your whole segment on that

That's what was ridiculous
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Post#492 » by DuckIII » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:09 am

League Circles wrote:
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GetBuLLish wrote:
I'd be stunned if Paxson got hired to run another team. The odds seem really small of another team hiring a retread who's never taken a team to the finals and who has been disastrous for the past five years.


To back this up, Joe Dumars hasn't gotten another job yet and he was much more successful than Paxson.

Dumars had like 6 straight bad losing seasons to end his tenure with Detroit. I'm not going to look up the win loss record but I bet Paxson has him beat. Of course he did win the one title, but 6 straight bad losing seasons is a lot. Maybe Pax will now do that, but I believe he's only had 2 so far and none for a decade.


It has been reported and confirmed that Dumars was trading the content of private negotiations with other FOs to Woj in exchange for Woj writing positive spin articles about Dumars.

It's probable this destroyed Dumars' reputation with owners. I sure as hell wouldn't hire him knowing that, coupled with his gross incompetence near the end.
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Post#493 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:16 am

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GimmeDat wrote:Not that it matters but I think using a word like ignominy is unnecessary and pretentious. The point of language is to effectively get your point across, and using a word as obscure as that isn't helping anybody.

I thought it was pretty funny that guy ripped in to him :D

Pretentious word, IDK, in this context, yeah. His whole rant about book learnin' was pretty stupid at the same time. Lots of that sort of attitude about bashing young people in college, or those with some higher education as somehow compromised or misguided has been a theme lately, which is one reason I wasn't laughing. Just hit too close to home. I didn't appreciate his angle.


It was a part of his shtick, the dude said he had two degrees or something to that effect so I don't think he's bagging on educated individuals.

People with educations bag on college students and higher education all the time. That's an entire digression that I'm sorry to have gone into. It struck a chord for that reason though. I don't like that stripe.

Ignominy? That's a pretty well known word. He knows what it meant if he has 2 degrees, not that you need them. He basically pretended because he wanted to lampoon the billboard guy because he likely has a pro FO agenda to defend. Which is perfectly wonderful, God bless him.
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Post#494 » by Paxson43 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:32 am

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fleet wrote:Pretentious word, IDK, in this context, yeah. His whole rant about book learnin' was pretty stupid at the same time. Lots of that sort of attitude about bashing young people in college, or those with some higher education as somehow compromised or misguided has been a theme lately, which is one reason I wasn't laughing. Just hit too close to home. I didn't appreciate his angle.


It was a part of his shtick, the dude said he had two degrees or something to that effect so I don't think he's bagging on educated individuals.

People with educations bag on college students and higher education all the time. That's an entire digression that I'm sorry to have gone into. It struck a chord for that reason though. I don't like that stripe.

Ignominy? That's a pretty well known word. He knows what it meant if he has 2 degrees, not that you need them. He basically pretended because he wanted to lampoon the billboard guy because he likely has a pro FO agenda to defend. Which is perfectly wonderful, God bless him.


It's okay, I've got two degrees and I don't bag on college kids so I guess it didn't resonate with me. I also have no idea what ignominy means :lol:
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Post#495 » by League Circles » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:36 am

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fleet wrote:
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It was a part of his shtick, the dude said he had two degrees or something to that effect so I don't think he's bagging on educated individuals.

People with educations bag on college students and higher education all the time. That's an entire digression that I'm sorry to have gone into. It struck a chord for that reason though. I don't like that stripe.

Ignominy? That's a pretty well known word. He knows what it meant if he has 2 degrees, not that you need them. He basically pretended because he wanted to lampoon the billboard guy because he likely has a pro FO agenda to defend. Which is perfectly wonderful, God bless him.


It's okay, I've got two degrees and I don't bag on college kids so I guess it didn't resonate with me. I also have no idea what ignominy means :lol:


Haha yeah my wife and I each have two degrees and also had no idea what ignominy means.
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Post#496 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:43 am

Whaaa??? I knew, I don't have 2 degrees. I think if you like GarPax, you don't know what it means :lol:
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Post#497 » by HomoSapien » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:13 am

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To back this up, Joe Dumars hasn't gotten another job yet and he was much more successful than Paxson.

Dumars had like 6 straight bad losing seasons to end his tenure with Detroit. I'm not going to look up the win loss record but I bet Paxson has him beat. Of course he did win the one title, but 6 straight bad losing seasons is a lot. Maybe Pax will now do that, but I believe he's only had 2 so far and none for a decade.


It has been reported and confirmed that Dumars was trading the content of private negotiations to Woj in exchange for Woj writing positive spin articles about Dumars.

It's probable this destroyed Dumars' reputation with owners. I sure as hell wouldn't hire him knowing that, couple with his gross incompetence near the end.


I completely forgot about that. Yeah, that may have contributed a tad... :)
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Post#498 » by Paxson43 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:15 am

fleet wrote:Whaaa??? I knew, I don't have 2 degrees. I think if you like GarPax, you don't know what it means :lol:


Maybe it's a generational thing, fleet :wink: :lol:
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Post#499 » by fleet » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:03 am

Very funny flat belly. Respect your elders who had to physically turn pages to read books. And learned words.
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Post#500 » by Dez » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:57 am

So has the novelty worn off and people realise that this was pointless?

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