Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[JojoSlimbiid]

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High level athleticism at work for the only rookie that I was told by realgm experts was going to be a net positive his first year.

We sure he doesn't have scapular muscle imbalance? Cause something looks wrong with him

Follows up my post with a mind blowing performance. 2 pts, 0-7, a whopping 0% Fg percentage for my mathematically challenged friends, 1 rebound in 22 minutes. Should probably run the offense through him though seems like a recipe for success

This folks is what it's like when you draft that high level athleticism. Everything else is teachable like how to not be a complete abomination on the court as one of the older freshmen in the draft.

[mj23z]

Damn Josh Jackson is a liability out there. That was his 20th game of the season where he had more turnovers than assists. He's had twice as many turnovers than assists this season.

In 22 minutes tonight: 2/1/0 and -16 (0-7 fg, 0-4 3pt).

Last game he went 3-14 fg with 4 turnovers, 7/5/2.

He's playing worse than Fultz was with 1 goddamn arm.

Wasn't he supposed to have great BBIQ? Because Tatum, Kuz, Markinen, etc are all averaging more assists with much less turnovers and they are all aggressive tunnel visioned score first players.

[ivysixer2000]

Josh better be glad he is in Phoenix where noone really cares.

He would be getting batteries thrown at him in Philly, but maybe in LA they would give him a few assists for no reason.

[PLO]

Damn Josh Jackson is a liability out there. That was his 20th game of the season where he had more turnovers than assists. He's had twice as many turnovers than assists this season.

In 22 minutes tonight: 2/1/0 and -16 (0-7 fg, 0-4 3pt).

Last game he went 3-14 fg with 4 turnovers, 7/5/2.

He's playing worse than Fultz was with 1 goddamn arm.

Wasn't he supposed to have great BBIQ? Because Tatum, Kuz, Markinen, etc are all averaging more assists with much less turnovers and they are all aggressive tunnel visioned score first players.

I think his IQ was supposed to be on the defensive end - he was pretty average as far as that goes in college offensively. He looked good in college because he was matched up largely against players he had an athletic advantage over. He basically isn't the player many people here thought he was and has a long way to go before he's startable, let alone making him some type of offensive center-piece.

[XDevilBoiX]

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High level athleticism at work for the only rookie that I was told by realgm experts was going to be a net positive his first year.

We sure he doesn't have scapular muscle imbalance? Cause something looks wrong with him

Follows up my post with a mind blowing performance. 2 pts, 0-7, a whopping 0% Fg percentage for my mathematically challenged friends, 1 rebound in 22 minutes. Should probably run the offense through him though seems like a recipe for success

This folks is what it's like when you draft that high level athleticism. Everything else is teachable like how to not be a complete abomination on the court as one of the older freshmen in the draft.

He would fit into this team perfectly with the 4TOs!!

[Ryuzaki]

People really thought we were taking Monk at 3 too lol

There were some mock drafts from some media people who said we shouldn’t take Monk. I know O’Connor was one. He said we should seriously consider Monk at 3 becuae he fits what we need as a shooter.

There were a couple guys here, including a mod I believe, who wanted Monk at #3. I thought it was ridiculous then, but after seeing what they did, it wouldn't have been any worse.

Yikes

[Simmons25]

Damn. Weren't there people in here wanting us to take Josh Jackson. That would have been a disaster.

[Kolkmania]

There were some mock drafts from some media people who said we shouldn’t take Monk. I know O’Connor was one. He said we should seriously consider Monk at 3 becuae he fits what we need as a shooter.

There were a couple guys here, including a mod I believe, who wanted Monk at #3. I thought it was ridiculous then, but after seeing what they did, it wouldn't have been any worse.

Yikes

Way too early to judge. The intrigue with Malik Monk is that he can eventually develop into a combo guard, his handles and decision making need major work to achieve that, despite Monk's NBA ready shooting he's therefore a big project.
As an undersized SG I don't like him, but as a combo guard his ceiling is extremely high. Combine his shooting off the dribble and screens with better ball handling and decision making and he would be a perfect fit next to Simmons as our smallest player on the court.

[Bum Adebayo]

Well, I wanted DSJ and so far he is not impressive to say the least, not as trash as osh ackson but not good.

[Stribor]

Damn. Weren't there people in here wanting us to take Josh Jackson. That would have been a disaster.

I think at certain point most were salivating over JJ. I dont know, but legend that skills (shooting, handling etc...) are easy to teach, while athleticism rules just does not work for me. I mean Ben is the only exception that I would think as a draft choice to the rule that a player HAS to have at least decent shooting. And that is not just because of his insane athleticism, but because of the vision and handling which is a skill by itself. So JJ or for instance Bagley this year are definitely players I would not touch in the wildest dreams. Fultz will be ok unless the sickness permanently changed his shooting (a guy with the same injury on Reddit said his shooting permanently changed, two others said their did not, so 66% unbiased )

[Negrodamus]

Damn. Weren't there people in here wanting us to take Josh Jackson. That would have been a disaster.

Hopefully we’re not saying the same thing when our boy comes back.

[Ericb5]

Damn. Weren't there people in here wanting us to take Josh Jackson. That would have been a disaster.

I think at certain point most were salivating over JJ. I dont know, but legend that skills (shooting, handling etc...) are easy to teach, while athleticism rules just does not work for me. I mean Ben is the only exception that I would think as a draft choice to the rule that a player HAS to have at least decent shooting. And that is not just because of his insane athleticism, but because of the vision and handling which is a skill by itself. So JJ or for instance Bagley this year are definitely players I would not touch in the wildest dreams. Fultz will be ok unless the sickness permanently changed his shooting (a guy with the same injury on Reddit said his shooting permanently changed, two others said their did not, so 66% unbiased )

If we stayed at 3 I wanted Jackson, and would still love him. Tatum has outplayed him to this point, and looks like the better pick so far, but I would have been happy with Jackson.

You have to separate the prospect from both the team he is on, and his play in his first two months.

Phoenix is a mess right now, and Jackson isn’t going to save them as a rookie. He is still pretty raw too.

If he was on the Sixers he would be in a much better situation. His flaws are his flaws, and he hasn’t looked good, but I would take him on the Sixers in a heartbeat.

Happy to have Fultz despite the cost of getting him though.


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[PhilasFinest]

Im still good with the Fultz pick (as long as he returns in 2 weeks!) but all the intrigue I had with Tatum (at 3) is showing right now in Boston.

Also think Jackson would be in a totally different situation here in Philly. Obviously he would still have growing pains and issues.....but he would likely be playing 30 MPG, and playing in a paced up offense alongside Ben Simmons and Embiid.

Phoenix was playing him at PF to start off.....and have been up and down with his minutes, role and positions. That is A LOT for a rookie to digest.

[eagereyez]

Jackson can't shoot. Simmons can't shoot. They would make each other worse if they played together. The odds of either of them becoming even league average shooters are slim. The fit was just never there.

[Negrodamus]

Gordon Hayward almost lost his foot a week before we shut Fultz down; he’s out of a walking boot now. Just some perspective on this situation.

[rulebook]

Gordon Hayward almost lost his foot a week before we shut Fultz down; he’s out of a walking boot now. Just some perspective on this situation.

What's the perspective? That a guy who had a horrific on-court injury a few months ago is no longer undergoing one aspect of his treatment, but is still miles away from playing?

Enlightening!

[JojoSlimbiid]

LOL at mentioning Gordon Hayward and his injury. Apparently all injuries and all stages of rehab are the exact same. Jesus christ what a ridiculously dumb comment.

[James40]

Nothing wrong with mentioning Hayward, bones heal in 6-8 weeks. Muscular imbalances who knows?

[Negrodamus]

Good. I think I got everyone back on topic. Now we must decide, was he back in Lexington for a shoulder check up or for one of our world renown sports psychologist?

[MR28]

Did Hayward have a similar injury to Ronald Darby? Darby wound up being out for 2 months.