The Tomjas Thread

[Sixerscan]

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Meanwhile the Sixers are more or less proving on the court Morey's point that there's no reason to trade Ben for role players. They have a decent collection of role players that are winning games already. They need guys that will take them to the next level.

[Negrodamus]

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Meanwhile the Sixers are more or less proving on the court Morey's point that there's no reason to trade Ben for role players. They have a decent collection of role players that are winning games already. They need guys that will take them to the next level.

One can argue that Ben's value on offense was never really that high which might deter teams.

The main stat everyone pointed to was Ben created the most three opportunities in the league. Well, we are only 12th in 3FGA currently, but 3rd in 3FG% and 9th in ppg compared to 14th last year. Obviously early days, but it doesn't appear that there has been any impact lost offensively from Ben not playing.

[GutUNC]

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Someone send up the bat signal for wolveswin

[Sixerscan]

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Meanwhile the Sixers are more or less proving on the court Morey's point that there's no reason to trade Ben for role players. They have a decent collection of role players that are winning games already. They need guys that will take them to the next level.

One can argue that Ben's value on offense was never really that high which might deter teams.

The main stat everyone pointed to was Ben created the most three opportunities in the league. Well, we are only 12th in 3FGA currently, but 3rd in 3FG% and 9th in ppg compared to 14th last year. Obviously early days, but it doesn't appear that there has been any impact lost offensively from Ben not playing.

You could argue that, and my response would be asking how many people that were on the team last year are actually shooting much better from 3 so far this year? It's basically just Curry (who was already top 5 in the league last year, and probably isn't going to shoot 54% all year), and Green slightly though his attempts are down. Embiid, Harris and Furkan are all down.

I think a lot of that is Niang being the greatest upgrade from Scott imaginable so far and Drummond being able to actually set shooters up as opposed to being a black hole like Dwight.

I don't think this proves Ben is overrated as much as our role players were underrated offensively. Meanwhile the relative drop-offs in defense and rebounding speak for themselves.

For example, when Embiid got hurt last year, the defense didn't really drop off when they subbed Bradley in. That didn't mean Embiid is overrated defensively as much as people were underrating Bradley's ability to step in and keep things afloat.

[DCasey91]

Derrick White, DeJounte Murray, Devin Vassell

for

Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle

Milton instead of Thybulle. Having an extra All NBA defensive wing is ultra important to this setup. Miltons position is easier to compensate for (getting White anyway whose a super version of Korklord).

[Monix]

Derrick White, DeJounte Murray, Devin Vassell

for

Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle

I don't think SA moves both Murray and White. One of them, sure. Frankly, I'd rather have a couple of future unprotected picks from them anyway and let them keep a guard. But agreed Vassell certainly needs to be in the deal.

Take White and Vassell out, make it Thad Young and a #1 that you flip to Detroit for Jerami Grant

Murray/Curry/Grant/Harris/Embiid

[DCasey91]

The thing I don't understand about Fox is that as a college player his defense was outstanding and one of his greatest strengths. Now obviously the NBA has a different caliber of athlete so that skill won't necessarily carry over exactly but I still can't wrap my mind around how he could go from 1 extreme to the other.

Defense is 90% effort. Obviously guys physical limitations can hurt them on the nba. But most defense is about technique and effort. While it helps to be “long arms” like k Leonard or thybulle. A guy like Ricky Rubio has improved on defense despite his physical quickness due to studying game tape and effort.

Sacramento just has a bunch of guys who focus on offense and neglect to play defense. So fox has learned bad habits.

Have you seen him play? He’s like a CJ that gets steals, he gets pushed around real easy. Athleticism does not equal being a great defender. In fact sometimes far from it (overcommitting, overzealous leads to bad positional play, bad skill leads to blown defensive rotations).

Defense is more than just “effort”. Mobley is an elite defender but that part has been coached the right way since he was young. Best rookie positional wise big since Garnett. (Better than AD).

If it was just effort Westbrook would be hands down the GOAT defensive PG without question.

Like offense you need to have the innate ability for it. It’s called IQ.

[Negrodamus]

I'd honestly like Devin Vassell the most of that trade. Dejounte and Derrick are nice role players, but Vassell will likely be a super role player with upside to be a star.

[Skates]

Minnesota and San Antonio do not have the ability to supply a difference maker as Morey desires, and is indeed what we need. We have a great cast of upper end role players and need a difference maker either on the wing or at point guard. We can't count on Steph to be a closer in the playoffs, nor Embiid (alone) and generally not Harris. Acquiring an all-star or future all-star who can flat out score and not be a complete liability at SF or PG needs to be the priority, possibly adding another role player at whatever of those two positions the impact player does not play. I see SA or Minnesota trades as requiring the infamous third team involved. What teams that are or should be rebuilding can be that third team is the question with SA and Minnesota? I don't see them as being a direct fit with us in a two team deal.

[DCasey91]

I agree about Vassell he’ll will be very good, we do need a Green replacement sooner rather than later.

[Negrodamus]

I agree about Vassell he’ll will be very good, we do need a Green replacement sooner rather than later.

Vassell is a mix of Thybulle and Green, thus making both expendable. I'd keep Shake, trade Thybulle with Ben, and have lineups where we have defensive studs who are not only not afraid to shoot threes, but are decent to good at doing so.

[the_process]

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Someone send up the bat signal for wolveswin

Minnesota fans would still rather trade KAT than Edwards.

[Sixersftw]

:evil:

Well, at least we know the T'Wolves will still pay out the nose for Ben, lol. Kinda funny they quit coming around here to peddle Beasley, McDaniels, and protected picks in the past month.

Spoiler:

Someone send up the bat signal for wolveswin

Minnesota fans would still rather trade KAT than Edwards.

KAT is like a slightly worse Georges Niang, right?

Ben for another Niang, i'm in.

[kuclas]

:evil:

Someone send up the bat signal for wolveswin

Minnesota fans would still rather trade KAT than Edwards.

KAT is like a slightly worse Georges Niang, right?

Ben for another Niang, i'm in.

KAT and ben would fit like a glove. Kat can get the defensive help he needs at the 4 slot from ben.

Similar to how Joel can erase a lot of issues on defense with Tobias Harris. Makes Harris looks decent.

Minnesota just gonna to roll and be a 33-36 win team this season. 9-11 seed.

[76ciology]

:evil:

Minnesota fans would still rather trade KAT than Edwards.

KAT is like a slightly worse Georges Niang, right?

Ben for another Niang, i'm in.

KAT and ben would fit like a glove. Kat can get the defensive help he needs at the 4 slot from ben.

Similar to how Joel can erase a lot of issues on defense with Tobias Harris. Makes Harris looks decent.

Minnesota just gonna to roll and be a 33-36 win team this season. 9-11awed

They fit perfectly, been saying this since day 1. Right now they’re putting placeholders like Jaden McDaniels in Ben’s place on their squad.

[76ciology]

Was also saying this

https://thesixersense.com/2021/11/03/sixers-handling-ben-simmons-situation-perfectly/?fbclid=IwAR1JdFD2n6C7YBUo6NJX8TgfsWBrihys21QKnl6Ftk-VXxHwtlHmiJ1eBUw

[kuclas]

KAT is like a slightly worse Georges Niang, right?

Ben for another Niang, i'm in.

KAT and ben would fit like a glove. Kat can get the defensive help he needs at the 4 slot from ben.

Similar to how Joel can erase a lot of issues on defense with Tobias Harris. Makes Harris looks decent.

Minnesota just gonna to roll and be a 33-36 win team this season. 9-11awed

They fit perfectly, been saying this since day 1. Right now they’re putting placeholders like Jaden McDaniels in Ben’s place on their squad.

Minnesota just doesn’t want to give up any real assets. So we all know there is nothing they have outside kat and Edwards.

It was funny seeing how Minnesota fans even wanted to keep Russell. No one wants Russell either.

[76ciology]

And its just a matter of time when there’s gonna be an article explaining how better the Sixers is without Ben.

*if you are a writer, this is a very good storyline for u to write

[Negrodamus]

And its just a matter of time when there’s gonna be an article explaining how better the Sixers is without Ben.

*if you are a writer, this is a very good storyline for u to write

I imagine you don't want to be the first writer to put that article out with only 8 games played right before the wheels come off the Sixers. Then you look like a hack.

Not saying it's going to happen, but it's very possible.

[Sixersftw]

And its just a matter of time when there’s gonna be an article explaining how better the Sixers is without Ben.

*if you are a writer, this is a very good storyline for u to write

I imagine you don't want to be the first writer to put that article out with only 8 games played right before the wheels come off the Sixers. Then you look like a hack.

Not saying it's going to happen, but it's very possible.

Those stories don't really hit till December. There is always some feel good story team that falls off by then (looking at you MEM, WAS, TOR).

However, nothing really indicates the wheels are coming off barring an Embiid injury. Some shooting should regress but Embiid also won't be hot garbage offensively for much longer.