2022 NBA Draft Part II

[jman3134]

I didn't even list hand size in my post. I already said he belongs, as do about 5-6 others - Sharpe, Leonard Miller, Eason etc.

You think Eason is top 10 at this point?

Baldwin's stock has been in the toilet because he had an awful year. Their measurements are comparable - Baldwin is a bit taller and has a better standing reach. I think someone takes a swing on him earlier based on this.

[Sulla]

I didn't even list hand size in my post. I already said he belongs, as do about 5-6 others - Sharpe, Leonard Miller, Eason etc.

You think Eason is top 10 at this point?

Baldwin's stock has been in the toilet because he had an awful year. Their measurements are comparable - Baldwin is a bit taller and has a better standing reach. I think someone takes a swing on him earlier based on this.

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[elias808]

Jalen Williams. Don't sleep on him.

[jman3134]

^ Again, my post stated measurement winners, not athletic testing. Otherwise, I would have posted verts.

Didn't see the athletic results out. Yeah, that is awful. Looking now: his lane agility was like that of a center.

Here they are, for those who missed it initially like I did: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/?sort=LANE_AGILITY_TIME&dir=-1

[SelfishPlayer]

^ Again, my post stated measurement winners, not athletic testing. Otherwise, I would have posted verts.

Didn't see the athletic results out. Yeah, that is awful. Looking now: his lane agility was like that of a center.

Yeah but he was always a poor athlete. Any people who believed in his potential before college shouldn't jump off the bandwagon after the combine. He has plenty of length to be whatever people thought he could be before he failed in college.

[CptCrunch]

Baldwin Jr. is big, that's about it. Otherwise he is slow and can't jump for crap. The only player with maybe worse measurables would be Emoni Bates if he was draft eligible this year.

[Sactowndog]

Measurement winners:
Mark Williams 7'2, 7'6 1/2'' wingspan, 9'9 standing reach (same as Rudy Gobert)
Jalen Williams 6'5 3/4'', 7'2 1/4'' wingspan, 8'9 1/2'' Standing Reach
Patrick Baldwin 6'10 1/4'', 7'1 3/4'' wingspan, 9'2 1/2'' standing reach
Walker Kessler 7'1, 7'4 1/4'' wingspan, 9'5 standing reach
Dominick Barlow 6'9 3/4'', 7'3 wingspan, 9'0 1/2'' standing reach
Iverson Molinar 6'3 1/4'', 6'8 wingspan, 8'5 standing reach
MarJon Beauchamp 6'6 1/2'', 7'0 3/4'' wingspan, 8'10 standing reach
Dalen Terry 6'7 1/4'', 7'0 3/4'' wingspan, 8'10 standing reach
Dyson Daniels 6'7 1/2'', 6'10 1/2'' wingspan, 8'9 standing reach

Surprised you left Eason off this list?

Tari Eason 6'8, 7'2 wingspan, 8'11 1/2'' standing reach

Nothing intentional. On the raw numbers side, Eason belongs. I tended to highlight guys I think will move up from these measurements, but it wasn't an exhaustive list.

I think the biggest measurement is his 11” hand width.

[shangrila]

Yeah I’d still take a flier on PBJ in the second but that’s it.

He might be better off transferring and profiting off NIL for the next few years because he’s liable to flame out of the NBA.

[Sactowndog]

I didn't even list hand size in my post. I already said he belongs, as do about 5-6 others - Sharpe, Leonard Miller, Eason etc.

You think Eason is top 10 at this point?

Baldwin's stock has been in the toilet because he had an awful year. Their measurements are comparable - Baldwin is a bit taller and has a better standing reach. I think someone takes a swing on him earlier based on this.

I would take Eason at 4 with the Kings pick. The difference between Eason and Baldwin is Eason has the athleticism and lateral quickness to guard 2-4. Baldwin has limited athleticism as seen by his vert. Also if you believe free throw shooting is the best indicator of NBA shooting, Eason shoots at .805 versus .740 for Baldwin and Murray

[RookieStar]

Dang... months ago we were thinking of packaging our 2 high srps to move up and grabe M.Williams or Kessler as a backup big to our departing Rolo, Bamba and scrub two way big.

Seems that M.Williams will probably leapfrog Duren as the first C taken and probably in the top 10.

[SelfishPlayer]

Is Johnny Davis still considered a top 10 pick? I never at any point thought of him in that way and knew that over time it will play out that he will not be a top 10 pick. I'm basing it off of him not having any great traits as a SG only non 3 point shooter. Bennedict Mathurin is what a top 10 pick SG is supposed to look like.

[jman3134]

I didn't even list hand size in my post. I already said he belongs, as do about 5-6 others - Sharpe, Leonard Miller, Eason etc.

You think Eason is top 10 at this point?

Baldwin's stock has been in the toilet because he had an awful year. Their measurements are comparable - Baldwin is a bit taller and has a better standing reach. I think someone takes a swing on him earlier based on this.

I would take Eason at 4 with the Kings pick. The difference between Eason and Baldwin is Eason has the athleticism and lateral quickness to guard 2-4. Baldwin has limited athleticism as seen by his vert. Also if you believe free throw shooting is the best indicator of NBA shooting, Eason shoots at .805 versus .740 for Baldwin and Murray

I was saying someone might take a swing early/mid 2nd on Baldwin based on the anthro. I need to rewatch Baldwin's tape to formulate a stronger opinion. And by that, I mean dig into his high school tape. The athletic testing might more than counteract that positive measurement news though because they are headline bad. I wasn't comparing Eason to Baldwin as prospects, but I would not take Eason that early. He also isn't one of my most studied prospects though (I've watched him but not closely enough to write an in depth scouting report at this point), so I am still in flux on him and a few others. I have a general sense for his strengths/weaknesses, but I would like to do a closer study.

[BostonCouchGM]

guys whose stock is likely helped the most from the measurement portion of the combine:

Daniels
Jaylin Williams
Christian Braun
Agbaji
Beauchamp
Sharpe
Eason
Mark Williams
Barlow
Jalen Williams

[Xanadu]

Is Johnny Davis still considered a top 10 pick? I never at any point thought of him in that way and knew that over time it will play out that he will not be a top 10 pick. I'm basing it off of him not having any great traits as a SG only non 3 point shooter. Bennedict Mathurin is what a top 10 pick SG is supposed to look like.

Think that he is the type who loses hype in predraft process. He doesn't have any explosive athletic abilities or insane measurable. Then factor in he has none of the mystery box hype that unknowns like Sharpe benefit from. Also isn't a guy like Ivey who's highlights are going to visually excite.
Having said that I really think he is going to be a complete steal if he falls to ten or lower. The things that are hurting him are all reasonable concerns that would seem to make both his fit and ceiling in NBA questionable. However, people seem to understate just how much attention opposing defenses gave him. Take the last Purdue game as a example. Basically double and triple team anytime he touched the ball. Still found ways of scoring and using that focus off ball to create space for his teammates. Compared that with Ivey who was pretty much guarded one vs one by Davis. Both of their head up match ups showed why sometimes people get too enamored by physical gifts and flash instead of just looking at black and white who was the better basketball player overall. Think it was Davis both times pretty clearly with a far weaker supporting cast imo. Also think people aren't properly rating his shown ability to improve drastically quickly. Think Wisconsin's offense game plan and teammates hurt both his shooting percentages and passing numbers. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he top 5 in RoY and shocks everyone with a skill no one thought he would have. Like being a knockdown shooter off the catch or suddenly showing much improved playmaking. Just think people are getting to wrapped up in things he doesn't have instead of looking at what he has shown. Athletic abilities and size are both on Devin Bookers level so not like he is horrible there either. Everyone seems to see a inefficient mid range scorer without elite athletic abilities. Instead of elite shot making paired with incredible hard nosed defense. Also feel like his ability to absorb contact well attacking is actually a elite NBA skill no one else seems to see. He was amazing at not just getting contact but finishing through it. His ability to alter his layup mid air after taking contact was pretty impressive imo. Reminded me of a guy like Allen Iverson who always seemed to get the ball to bounce in no matter what crazy ass layup he would toss up.Then think about the gigantic basically out of the blue jump he took from 8th man to Big Ten PoY. Really think he isn't going to keep improving because I sure don't seem him suddenly being stuck at his current skill level.

[Xanadu]

Is Johnny Davis still considered a top 10 pick? I never at any point thought of him in that way and knew that over time it will play out that he will not be a top 10 pick. I'm basing it off of him not having any great traits as a SG only non 3 point shooter. Bennedict Mathurin is what a top 10 pick SG is supposed to look like.

Yeah didn't everyone say similar stuff about it Ben McLemore. Think about the two guards drafted who have been hits. Not many I can remember who fit that ideal skill set that actually worked out. You have instead guys like Devin Booker who showed elite catch and shoot skills in very limited time. He was far from the athletic or ball handler who fits that ideal two guard idea. Then their are players like McLemore who showed basically every skill needed for a elite 2 guard at average to elite levels. Sometimes looking at what guys can't do to justify not taking them can lead to overthinking things like fit. When in reality if one player has shown they can lead a winning team don't worry to much about his 3pt percentage not being good. Instead look at the types of threes he usually took or how much defensive attention he drew.

[babyjax13]

I think PBJ's measurements in conjunction with his season make him completely undraftable. I am removing him from my mock.

[SelfishPlayer]

Is Johnny Davis still considered a top 10 pick? I never at any point thought of him in that way and knew that over time it will play out that he will not be a top 10 pick. I'm basing it off of him not having any great traits as a SG only non 3 point shooter. Bennedict Mathurin is what a top 10 pick SG is supposed to look like.

Yeah didn't everyone say similar stuff about it Ben McLemore. Think about the two guards drafted who have been hits. Not many I can remember who fit that ideal skill set that actually worked out. You have instead guys like Devin Booker who showed elite catch and shoot skills in very limited time. He was far from the athletic or ball handler who fits that ideal two guard idea. Then their are players like McLemore who showed basically every skill needed for a elite 2 guard at average to elite levels. Sometimes looking at what guys can't do to justify not taking them can lead to overthinking things like fit. When in reality if one player has shown they can lead a winning team don't worry to much about his 3pt percentage not being good. Instead look at the types of threes he usually took or how much defensive attention he drew.

Never said ideal, I just gave an example. McLemore was always too small with a poor floor game.

[SelfishPlayer]

Is Johnny Davis still considered a top 10 pick? I never at any point thought of him in that way and knew that over time it will play out that he will not be a top 10 pick. I'm basing it off of him not having any great traits as a SG only non 3 point shooter. Bennedict Mathurin is what a top 10 pick SG is supposed to look like.

Think that he is the type who loses hype in predraft process. He doesn't have any explosive athletic abilities or insane measurable. Then factor in he has none of the mystery box hype that unknowns like Sharpe benefit from. Also isn't a guy like Ivey who's highlights are going to visually excite.
Having said that I really think he is going to be a complete steal if he falls to ten or lower. The things that are hurting him are all reasonable concerns that would seem to make both his fit and ceiling in NBA questionable. However, people seem to understate just how much attention opposing defenses gave him. Take the last Purdue game as a example. Basically double and triple team anytime he touched the ball. Still found ways of scoring and using that focus off ball to create space for his teammates. Compared that with Ivey who was pretty much guarded one vs one by Davis. Both of their head up match ups showed why sometimes people get too enamored by physical gifts and flash instead of just looking at black and white who was the better basketball player overall. Think it was Davis both times pretty clearly with a far weaker supporting cast imo. Also think people aren't properly rating his shown ability to improve drastically quickly. Think Wisconsin's offense game plan and teammates hurt both his shooting percentages and passing numbers. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he top 5 in RoY and shocks everyone with a skill no one thought he would have. Like being a knockdown shooter off the catch or suddenly showing much improved playmaking. Just think people are getting to wrapped up in things he doesn't have instead of looking at what he has shown. Athletic abilities and size are both on Devin Bookers level so not like he is horrible there either. Everyone seems to see a inefficient mid range scorer without elite athletic abilities. Instead of elite shot making paired with incredible hard nosed defense. Also feel like his ability to absorb contact well attacking is actually a elite NBA skill no one else seems to see. He was amazing at not just getting contact but finishing through it. His ability to alter his layup mid air after taking contact was pretty impressive imo. Reminded me of a guy like Allen Iverson who always seemed to get the ball to bounce in no matter what crazy ass layup he would toss up.Then think about the gigantic basically out of the blue jump he took from 8th man to Big Ten PoY. Really think he isn't going to keep improving because I sure don't seem him suddenly being stuck at his current skill level.

Every player can possibly do that. Look at Joker. Denver nows receives that benefit at the cost of a second round pick. You shouldn't ever look for that. It can't be predicted.

[clyde21]

I didn't even list hand size in my post. I already said he belongs, as do about 5-6 others - Sharpe, Leonard Miller, Eason etc.

You think Eason is top 10 at this point?

Baldwin's stock has been in the toilet because he had an awful year. Their measurements are comparable - Baldwin is a bit taller and has a better standing reach. I think someone takes a swing on him earlier based on this.

he's been top10, had him 6th

[clyde21]

Dang... months ago we were thinking of packaging our 2 high srps to move up and grabe M.Williams or Kessler as a backup big to our departing Rolo, Bamba and scrub two way big.

Seems that M.Williams will probably leapfrog Duren as the first C taken and probably in the top 10.

first C will be Chet