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Re: Knicks Raps PG: No really, goodbye Randle 

Post#481 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:33 pm

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Good. If this franchise is finally committing to their draft picks then it is about damn time. We've got talent now and just need to keep building on it. If anyone responds by saying we have no real talent I will choke you out and then bury you with my shovel.


They will go for whichever star wants out and if the other team asks for Obi, they’ll 99% give him up. They want a star that bad.


No. I doubt it.

I told you guys Dolan won't ship Obi out now. He is catnip to MSG.

Obi is star material as it is. He just needs to start and his numbers will be there.

Apparently this board loves to dwell on the most negative outcomes or deny a player's upside. The grass is not always greener elsewhere. We have building blocks and if Dolan supports the FO in building with our youth you should be cheering for that, not snickering

Seriously, if people don't understand that Obi is going to be a great offensive weapon then they're just too cynical for me to worry about
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Post#482 » by DaGawd » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:58 pm

I’d be lying if I said I’m sold on Obi doing what he did at the end of the season against actual starters for a full season.. I guess we’ll find out if them tweets are a true indication of the FO’s thinking. It’s time to find out what he’s made of
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Post#483 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:10 pm

DaGawd wrote:I’d be lying if I said I’m sold on Obi doing what he did at the end of the season against actual starters for a full season.. I guess we’ll find out if them tweets are a true indication of the FO’s thinking. It’s time to find out what he’s made of


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Re: Knicks Raps PG: No really, goodbye Randle 

Post#484 » by whocares1 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:33 pm

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Good. If this franchise is finally committing to their draft picks then it is about damn time. We've got talent now and just need to keep building on it. If anyone responds by saying we have no real talent I will choke you out and then bury you with my shovel.


They will go for whichever star wants out and if the other team asks for Obi, they’ll 99% give him up. They want a star that bad.


No. I doubt it.

I told you guys Dolan won't ship Obi out now. He is catnip to MSG.

Obi is star material as it is. He just needs to start and his numbers will be there.

Apparently this board loves to dwell on the most negative outcomes or deny a player's upside. The grass is not always greener elsewhere. We have building blocks and if Dolan supports the FO in building with our youth you should be cheering for that, not snickering

Seriously, if people don't understand that Obi is going to be a great offensive weapon then they're just too cynical for me to worry about


It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.
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Post#485 » by HEZI » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:57 pm

Knicks looking to move Randle because of Obi. You love to see it and better late than never
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Post#486 » by Jimmit79 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:02 pm

So fans now believe FO want to build around youth when they spent 80mil to shut down the youth lol.
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Post#487 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:04 pm

Jimmit79 wrote:So fans now believe FO want to build around youth when they spent 80mil to shut down the youth lol.


The masses have spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not doubt this franchise I going to lean into the young guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Stevie wonder can see that the best option!!!!!!!!!!!
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They will go for whichever star wants out and if the other team asks for Obi, they’ll 99% give him up. They want a star that bad.


No. I doubt it.

I told you guys Dolan won't ship Obi out now. He is catnip to MSG.

Obi is star material as it is. He just needs to start and his numbers will be there.

Apparently this board loves to dwell on the most negative outcomes or deny a player's upside. The grass is not always greener elsewhere. We have building blocks and if Dolan supports the FO in building with our youth you should be cheering for that, not snickering

Seriously, if people don't understand that Obi is going to be a great offensive weapon then they're just too cynical for me to worry about


It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.


Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.
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Re: Knicks Raps PG: No really, goodbye Randle 

Post#489 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:07 pm

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Jimmit79 wrote:So fans now believe FO want to build around youth when they spent 80mil to shut down the youth lol.


The masses have spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not doubt this franchise I going to lean into the young guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Stevie wonder can see that the best option!!!!!!!!!!!


Damn, you’re going with your Stevie Wonder guns now
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Post#490 » by whocares1 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:58 pm

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No. I doubt it.

I told you guys Dolan won't ship Obi out now. He is catnip to MSG.

Obi is star material as it is. He just needs to start and his numbers will be there.

Apparently this board loves to dwell on the most negative outcomes or deny a player's upside. The grass is not always greener elsewhere. We have building blocks and if Dolan supports the FO in building with our youth you should be cheering for that, not snickering

Seriously, if people don't understand that Obi is going to be a great offensive weapon then they're just too cynical for me to worry about


It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.


Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.


I think the whole play on Reddish was also a play to attract Zion. I think if NO wanted Obi in a trade for Zion id have to believe they’d pull the trigger. This is all speculation ofc but that’s what I think they are angling at, or at least were before Obi’s great play.
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Post#492 » by nedleeds » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:16 pm

whocares1 wrote:I think the whole play on Reddish was also a play to attract Zion. I think if NO wanted Obi in a trade for Zion id have to believe they’d pull the trigger. This is all speculation ofc but that’s what I think they are angling at, or at least were before Obi’s great play.

Why would Zion want to play with the 2 bums that couldn't hit water from a canoe at Duke? RJ and Cam were so bad at Duke and Zion was nuclear level awesome.

Give Zion average shooters at Duke and anyone who could throw a pass to a teammate and they would have won. Also funny RJ took more shots and more shots per game at Duke than Zion despite shooting terribly.

30.8% from college 3, 66.5% from the line for a blistering 45.4% from the field. All while turning it over (123) almost as much as he assisted (164). More RJ fun facts, he led the ACC in field goal attempts and was 2nd in the country in field goal attempts.

As mediocre as RJ was at Duke, Reddish was out right terrible, in college where he had a massive athletic advantage basically against everyone he shot 35.6%. Not from 3. He just shot 35.6% as a human being. Total scrub chucker.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2019-ncaa-tournament-zion-williamson-disappears-in-elite-eight-loss-when-duke-needed-him-the-most/

RJ chucked up a bunch of shots in the last game they lost and then bricked a free throw ... then made the one he tried to miss. These dudes are 2 of the last mother **** I'd ever want on my team again.
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Re: Knicks Raps PG: No really, goodbye Randle 

Post#493 » by louisorr » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:18 pm

in what universe will Zion ever play 110 games of NBA level ball in a 6 month period? hate to see it but his career is likely over.

of course this means he will be a Knick
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Post#494 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:57 pm

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No. I doubt it.

I told you guys Dolan won't ship Obi out now. He is catnip to MSG.

Obi is star material as it is. He just needs to start and his numbers will be there.

Apparently this board loves to dwell on the most negative outcomes or deny a player's upside. The grass is not always greener elsewhere. We have building blocks and if Dolan supports the FO in building with our youth you should be cheering for that, not snickering

Seriously, if people don't understand that Obi is going to be a great offensive weapon then they're just too cynical for me to worry about


It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.


Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.


Obi was just underrated here until he finally got minutes. He was killing it the first 2 months of the season, but his 3 didnt start falling until the last 2 months. Frank and Knox made fans doubt him, but he’s nothing like them outside of where they were picked.

When I look at guys like Miles Bridges, John Collins, Aaron Gordon, Kuzma and such there is absolutely no reason why Obi cant do what they do, or be better (which I think he will).

I know some posters think we’re crazy for not salivating at throwing the whole team away for that phat phuck Zion, but it’s a shame we dont have more info on Obi as a starter because he would be considered our best young player if he started from day 1 like RJ did.

Sure Zion has more upside if all goes right for him, but there are serious red flags with him that Obi has none of. You also have to build a specific team around Zion because he cant shoot or defend, and is a meh rebounder. His arms are short and hes only 6’6” which limits him. You’d be banking on his freakish athleticism holding up to his weird round body. I get the risk/reward but Zion is too much risk for me.

Meanwhile all signs point to Obi breaking out next season if he starts, like CJ McCollum did in his 3rd year. He scores so effortlessly and efficiently that 18-20+ ppg is not out of the question at all. I mean he averaged 19 ppg per 36 this season.
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Post#495 » by sol537 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:04 pm

3-team deal... Obi + Randle + our 2022 lotto pick for Zion + filler. Randle goes to a 3rd team like NO or POR and Obi and our 2022 lotto pick goes to NO for ZION and they also get any pick/players sent for Randle, if any.

It's a pretty fair haul for the injury-riddled Zion. Risky play... but I think WWW is making his move here... Zion Harden'ing his way to NY... Zion, Cam, RJ, Grimes, IQ... nice young core at long last.
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Post#496 » by Jimmit79 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:07 pm

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Jimmit79 wrote:So fans now believe FO want to build around youth when they spent 80mil to shut down the youth lol.


The masses have spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have not doubt this franchise I going to lean into the young guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even Stevie wonder can see that the best option!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#497 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:11 pm

whocares1 wrote:
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It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.


Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.


I think the whole play on Reddish was also a play to attract Zion. I think if NO wanted Obi in a trade for Zion id have to believe they’d pull the trigger. This is all speculation ofc but that’s what I think they are angling at, or at least were before Obi’s great play.


I’d say that mostly falls upon Zion. If NO feels Zion will walk they could be looking down the barrel of the gun. I only say this because Zion either ate himself out of NO or he has no discipline. If it is the former, then Zion is going to length’s rarely seen to not stay with his drafing club. Simmons was a pretty strange case too, but probably different still.
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Post#498 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:14 pm

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It’s not about fans understanding what they have in Obi. Zion or Mitchell are a bigger draw and Dolan is a business guy first. He’s not going to stop Leon from making ANY decision, especially one that brings in a star.


Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.


Obi was just underrated here until he finally got minutes. He was killing it the first 2 months of the season, but his 3 didnt start falling until the last 2 months. Frank and Knox made fans doubt him, but he’s nothing like them outside of where they were picked.

When I look at guys like Miles Bridges, John Collins, Aaron Gordon, Kuzma and such there is absolutely no reason why Obi cant do what they do, or be better (which I think he will).

I know some posters think we’re crazy for not salivating at throwing the whole team away, including Obi, for that phat phuck Zion, but it’s a shame we dont have more info on Obi as a starter because he would easily be considered our best young player if he started from day 1 like RJ did.

Sure Zion has more upside if all goes right for him, but there are serious red flags with him that Obi has none of.

All signs point to Obi breaking out next season if he starts, like CJ McCollum did in his 3rd year. He scores so effortlessly and efficiently that 18-20+ ppg is not out of the question at all. I mean he averaged 19 ppg per 36 this season.


Right on

They won’t trade Obi who is marketing gold

If anything, they’ll hold out to ship out Randle in a Zion deal and, yes, some young ones might be part of such a deal like Grimes or IQ, but I think everyone here who thinks Obi is trade bait is so off the mark. He’s not going anywhere
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Post#499 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:17 pm

Randle is gone. Thibs is here for now. The rest is up in the air, but it certainly does not sound like they are shipping out the kids in some blockbuster trade
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Post#500 » by Jimmit79 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:18 pm

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Except you’re of the opinion that anyone and everyone is expendable and you nor anyone else can say that with certainty. You’re making assumptions that are based on the past. The NBA has changed. Ransacking your roster to get one player is more than likely going to fail. And despite everyone saying our FO is full of dummies, maybe it is more reasonable to say there are probably some good opinions floating around the executive suites, but from various accounts there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. So we don’t know what POV will win out.

Also, we have not had this many talented young players since Dolan took over. This FO is at least fairly good at drafting, enough so that he may see the wisdom of continuing in that direction for the first time.

Finally, home grown stars have major box office value. And you overstate the box office appeal of Mitchell. He would have no more box office appeal than if Obi averaged 20+ a game (which he will as a starter) making the ESPN Top 10 Plays every game.

And Zion is a fatso with a bad health history who I’d admittedly roll the dice on too, but maybe the FO won’t because of his injury concerns. Maybe he ate himself out of NO on purpose and will report in shape but I seriously doubt it. Zion likes his empty calories too much.


Obi was just underrated here until he finally got minutes. He was killing it the first 2 months of the season, but his 3 didnt start falling until the last 2 months. Frank and Knox made fans doubt him, but he’s nothing like them outside of where they were picked.

When I look at guys like Miles Bridges, John Collins, Aaron Gordon, Kuzma and such there is absolutely no reason why Obi cant do what they do, or be better (which I think he will).

I know some posters think we’re crazy for not salivating at throwing the whole team away, including Obi, for that phat phuck Zion, but it’s a shame we dont have more info on Obi as a starter because he would easily be considered our best young player if he started from day 1 like RJ did.

Sure Zion has more upside if all goes right for him, but there are serious red flags with him that Obi has none of.

All signs point to Obi breaking out next season if he starts, like CJ McCollum did in his 3rd year. He scores so effortlessly and efficiently that 18-20+ ppg is not out of the question at all. I mean he averaged 19 ppg per 36 this season.


Right on

They won’t trade Obi who is marketing gold

If anything, they’ll hold out to ship out Randle in a Zion deal and, yes, some young ones might be part of such a deal like Grimes or IQ, but I think everyone here who thinks Obi is trade bait is so off the mark. He’s not going anywhere
How is Obi marketing gold? Cause fans chanted his name lol I guess Jimmer fredette was marketing gold too right

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