Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[NatP4]

Dallas has the filler, and seems to be shopping the 10th pick to win now. Could be a good Beal destination?

[thinker07]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

2 The very best trades for the Wiz would likely be for one of the many high first round picks that seemingly are available in the coming draft. The lack of a GM onboard at this point would seem to make it tough to have someone get the job and immediately make the franchise changing trade on draft night (or thereabout).

3 Everyone is throwing out trades with upcoming free agents like Harden, Kuz, Jerami Grant, etc. Those players have to agree to the deal. It's hard to see Harden agreeing to a S&T because Houston has lots of cap space. It's hard to see Kuz agree to a S&T unless it's to a team he really wants to play for and THEY want to make a deal with the Wiz (teams like the Knicks, Nets, Heat, Clippers, etc.)

4 I would want to top tier GM onboard who has had a full opportunity to assess the roster before trading Beal or anyone else. I don't know how anyone could say ending up with any particular player is helpful in return for Beal before there has been an elaborate plan made for the full roster. Is the plan to retain Kuz and KP? Who do the Wiz pick at #8? I am pretty confident if there is a moment when all the parties agree that Beal should be traded, there will be a good deal to be made. Beal would be coveted by many teams, even if the later years of his deal might be tough. Beal does not in any way need to be offloaded right away.

5 People don't seem to understand the Portland situation. The team is owned by the probate estate of the deceased Paul Allen and ultimately would be owned by a charitable trust. It is 1000% to be sold in the next year or two. All calculations about Lillard and any trades are almost entirely to do with how to boost the value of the team prior to the sale. Do I think they might agree to trade Simons and the #3 pick for Beal? Absolutely. I think it's more likely they make a trade with Toronto, though for Siakam or OG. At the same time, though, reports indicate that Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, New Orleans, Dallas might all be interested in trading their top 10 picks for the right deal. So I don't know how high a price Portland can demand for its pick. Also Simons is even less valuable than his stats indicate. He is a GREAT streak shooter. He is NOT a PG, though he is that size. He is not much of a defender, passer, or rebounder. Really his best role would be a 6th man microwave scorer off the bench -- BUT 3 years at about $25 mil per?

6 The draft is in a month and free agency shortly thereafter. That's not much time for a new person. That new person is certainly not going to come in a blow everything up like Tim Connelly did in Minnesota. I would bet that the agreement with Ted would be, lets run this thing back for next year. If they aren't off to a super fast start, then he is free to make franchise changing trades NEXT year at the deadline.

7 Definitely, Beal is not the only or even biggest roster problem. Realistically Gafford, KP, and Kuz aren't an ideal starting lineup combination -- there just isn't enough switching defensive ability or rebounding or 3 point shooting. Obviously there is no impact starting PG on the team. Probably power forward is the best position for KP, Kuzma, and Deni before you even get to Gill, Todd, or Cooks. Is Gafford a backup center? Then his $13 mil ish per year deal for the next 3 years is problematic. If he's a starter, who's the backup? At #8, at least one of the forwards Walker, Hendricks, Ausar Thompson, Dick or Whitmore will be available. And at least one PG among Black, Wallace and Smith will be available. Depending on who they pick, it will shift a bunch of things around and any number of players might need to be trade to balance the roster. So I don't even know about any trade until there is a comprehensive plan for the roster overall.

[nate33]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

2 The very best trades for the Wiz would likely be for one of the many high first round picks that seemingly are available in the coming draft. The lack of a GM onboard at this point would seem to make it tough to have someone get the job and immediately make the franchise changing trade on draft night (or thereabout).

3 Everyone is throwing out trades with upcoming free agents like Harden, Kuz, Jerami Grant, etc. Those players have to agree to the deal. It's hard to see Harden agreeing to a S&T because Houston has lots of cap space. It's hard to see Kuz agree to a S&T unless it's to a team he really wants to play for and THEY want to make a deal with the Wiz (teams like the Knicks, Nets, Heat, Clippers, etc.)

4 I would want to top tier GM onboard who has had a full opportunity to assess the roster before trading Beal or anyone else. I don't know how anyone could say ending up with any particular player is helpful in return for Beal before there has been an elaborate plan made for the full roster. Is the plan to retain Kuz and KP? Who do the Wiz pick at #8? I am pretty confident if there is a moment when all the parties agree that Beal should be traded, there will be a good deal to be made. Beal would be coveted by many teams, even if the later years of his deal might be tough. Beal does not in any way need to be offloaded right away.

5 People don't seem to understand the Portland situation. The team is owned by the probate estate of the deceased Paul Allen and ultimately would be owned by a charitable trust. It is 1000% to be sold in the next year or two. All calculations about Lillard and any trades are almost entirely to do with how to boost the value of the team prior to the sale. Do I think they might agree to trade Simons and the #3 pick for Beal? Absolutely. I think it's more likely they make a trade with Toronto, though for Siakam or OG. At the same time, though, reports indicate that Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, New Orleans, Dallas might all be interested in trading their top 10 picks for the right deal. So I don't know how high a price Portland can demand for its pick. Also Simons is even less valuable than his stats indicate. He is a GREAT streak shooter. He is NOT a PG, though he is that size. He is not much of a defender, passer, or rebounder. Really his best role would be a 6th man microwave scorer off the bench -- BUT 3 years at about $25 mil per?

6 The draft is in a month and free agency shortly thereafter. That's not much time for a new person. That new person is certainly not going to come in a blow everything up like Tim Connelly did in Minnesota. I would bet that the agreement with Ted would be, lets run this thing back for next year. If they aren't off to a super fast start, then he is free to make franchise changing trades NEXT year at the deadline.

7 Definitely, Beal is not the only or even biggest roster problem. Realistically Gafford, KP, and Kuz aren't an ideal starting lineup combination -- there just isn't enough switching defensive ability or rebounding or 3 point shooting. Obviously there is no impact starting PG on the team. Probably power forward is the best position for KP, Kuzma, and Deni before you even get to Gill, Todd, or Cooks. Is Gafford a backup center? Then his $13 mil ish per year deal for the next 3 years is problematic. If he's a starter, who's the backup? At #8, at least one of the forwards Walker, Hendricks, Ausar Thompson, Dick or Whitmore will be available. And at least one PG among Black, Wallace and Smith will be available. Depending on who they pick, it will shift a bunch of things around and any number of players might need to be trade to balance the roster. So I don't even know about any trade until there is a comprehensive plan for the roster overall.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

2. See #4 below.

3. Agreed. S&T's will not be game changers in the offseason. If we S&T Kuzma, don't expect much in return.

4. I don't think it should take more than a couple of weeks for a GM to have a good handle on this roster. There's plenty of film and exit interviews to go through. And I'm sure any GM who lands the job will be doing so because he has a pretty clear vision of what he wants to do because he has already done his research.

5. Good points on Portland's ownership situation. And I don't see any way they trade for Beal. That will just get them back to the Lillard/McCollum era all over again.

6. See #4 above.

7. I don't have a problem with the KP/Gafford combo. I think it's working out fine. Basically, they only share the court for the first 5 minutes of each half. They alternate at center after that. The end result is that Gafford plays more than just the 15 minutes one expects from a backup center. He gets 25 minutes, which justifies his salary. (I would expect Gafford's minutes to decline in the postseason when the twin towers lineup presumably becomes untenable, but that doesn't mean he isn't worth $12M a year.) Also, I'm not too worried about a minutes crunch between Kuzma and Deni. Kuzma can play the SF and PF position interchangeably, so there are plenty of minutes available for both guys assuming they earn them. The real issue is that neither one is all that great and we need either an upgrade or a massive leap out of Deni. Clearly, as bad as this team stinks, there isn't much reason to worry about too much talent at any one position. Too much talent is definitely not our problem.

[AFM]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

2 The very best trades for the Wiz would likely be for one of the many high first round picks that seemingly are available in the coming draft. The lack of a GM onboard at this point would seem to make it tough to have someone get the job and immediately make the franchise changing trade on draft night (or thereabout).

3 Everyone is throwing out trades with upcoming free agents like Harden, Kuz, Jerami Grant, etc. Those players have to agree to the deal. It's hard to see Harden agreeing to a S&T because Houston has lots of cap space. It's hard to see Kuz agree to a S&T unless it's to a team he really wants to play for and THEY want to make a deal with the Wiz (teams like the Knicks, Nets, Heat, Clippers, etc.)

4 I would want to top tier GM onboard who has had a full opportunity to assess the roster before trading Beal or anyone else. I don't know how anyone could say ending up with any particular player is helpful in return for Beal before there has been an elaborate plan made for the full roster. Is the plan to retain Kuz and KP? Who do the Wiz pick at #8? I am pretty confident if there is a moment when all the parties agree that Beal should be traded, there will be a good deal to be made. Beal would be coveted by many teams, even if the later years of his deal might be tough. Beal does not in any way need to be offloaded right away.

5 People don't seem to understand the Portland situation. The team is owned by the probate estate of the deceased Paul Allen and ultimately would be owned by a charitable trust. It is 1000% to be sold in the next year or two. All calculations about Lillard and any trades are almost entirely to do with how to boost the value of the team prior to the sale. Do I think they might agree to trade Simons and the #3 pick for Beal? Absolutely. I think it's more likely they make a trade with Toronto, though for Siakam or OG. At the same time, though, reports indicate that Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, New Orleans, Dallas might all be interested in trading their top 10 picks for the right deal. So I don't know how high a price Portland can demand for its pick. Also Simons is even less valuable than his stats indicate. He is a GREAT streak shooter. He is NOT a PG, though he is that size. He is not much of a defender, passer, or rebounder. Really his best role would be a 6th man microwave scorer off the bench -- BUT 3 years at about $25 mil per?

6 The draft is in a month and free agency shortly thereafter. That's not much time for a new person. That new person is certainly not going to come in a blow everything up like Tim Connelly did in Minnesota. I would bet that the agreement with Ted would be, lets run this thing back for next year. If they aren't off to a super fast start, then he is free to make franchise changing trades NEXT year at the deadline.

7 Definitely, Beal is not the only or even biggest roster problem. Realistically Gafford, KP, and Kuz aren't an ideal starting lineup combination -- there just isn't enough switching defensive ability or rebounding or 3 point shooting. Obviously there is no impact starting PG on the team. Probably power forward is the best position for KP, Kuzma, and Deni before you even get to Gill, Todd, or Cooks. Is Gafford a backup center? Then his $13 mil ish per year deal for the next 3 years is problematic. If he's a starter, who's the backup? At #8, at least one of the forwards Walker, Hendricks, Ausar Thompson, Dick or Whitmore will be available. And at least one PG among Black, Wallace and Smith will be available. Depending on who they pick, it will shift a bunch of things around and any number of players might need to be trade to balance the roster. So I don't even know about any trade until there is a comprehensive plan for the roster overall.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

You might not care but I imagine Beal does. And he holds the NTC.

[payitforward]

Posts like the last two from thinker07 & nate33 represent the great reason to participate on this board -- really thoughtful, really knowledgeable, really valuable. Thanks guys....

[AFM]

Thanks a lot...

[joshuacf]

In regards to the point about moving Beal now because it is easier to make offseason deals than midseason deals: Isn't there something to be said for attempting to rehabilitate Beal's value?

Beal is at a real low point right now in terms of his trade value. Putting together a lineup around him that is designed to make him successful, (depending on what type of contract Westbrook wants, he could be an option) would go a long way toward helping boost Beal's tradeability. I'm not even saying we try to win games, just find a way to make Beal look good.

Beal gets to break our all-time scoring record, (hopefully) make an All-Star game, then we move him at the deadline. If a playoff team in a good position to make a run made an offer for him, I can't imagine at that point he'd say no.

[popper]

Like Wall, Beal is not a winner. Both are weak minded when measured against the upper echelon of competitors (Jimmy Butler for instance). The sooner you can get those types of players off your team the better. I'm hopeful the new GM will understand that even if it means a few lean years of winning.

[nate33]

In regards to the point about moving Beal now because it is easier to make offseason deals than midseason deals: Isn't there something to be said for attempting to rehabilitate Beal's value?

Beal is at a real low point right now in terms of his trade value. Putting together a lineup around him that is designed to make him successful, (depending on what type of contract Westbrook wants, he could be an option) would go a long way toward helping boost Beal's tradeability. I'm not even saying we try to win games, just find a way to make Beal look good.

Beal gets to break our all-time scoring record, (hopefully) make an All-Star game, then we move him at the deadline. If a playoff team in a good position to make a run made an offer for him, I can't imagine at that point he'd say no.

I think Beal played real well this season (when he was healthy, that is). If anything, his performance improved his value because he showed he can still be an efficient #2 scorer rather than an inefficient #1 scorer. Good teams can use the former, they can't use the latter.

[nate33]

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

You might not care but I imagine Beal does. And he holds the NTC.

Interesting point.

I'm not sure I agree though. I'm sure Beal is going to leverage his NTC to ensure that he goes to a good team with championship aspirations. But if that trade opportunity arises this summer, I don't see him vetoing it just to get a scoring record for the worst franchise in pro basketball.

[AFM]

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

You might not care but I imagine Beal does. And he holds the NTC.

Interesting point.

I'm not sure I agree though. I'm sure Beal is going to leverage his NTC to ensure that he goes to a good team with championship aspirations. But if that trade opportunity arises this summer, I don't see him vetoing it just to get a scoring record for the worst franchise in pro basketball.

That makes sense rationally but he's literally 5 games away from breaking the record. I can't imagine him agreeing to a trade right now. 5 games is way too soon.

[deneem4]

Like Wall, Beal is not a winner. Both are weak minded when measured against the upper echelon of competitors (Jimmy Butler for instance). The sooner you can get those types of players off your team the better. I'm hopeful the new GM will understand that even if it means a few lean years of winning.

Beal almost got the scoring title with an injured team in certain competitiors roles….
What did the organization do after tht?

[joshuacf]

In regards to the point about moving Beal now because it is easier to make offseason deals than midseason deals: Isn't there something to be said for attempting to rehabilitate Beal's value?

Beal is at a real low point right now in terms of his trade value. Putting together a lineup around him that is designed to make him successful, (depending on what type of contract Westbrook wants, he could be an option) would go a long way toward helping boost Beal's tradeability. I'm not even saying we try to win games, just find a way to make Beal look good.

Beal gets to break our all-time scoring record, (hopefully) make an All-Star game, then we move him at the deadline. If a playoff team in a good position to make a run made an offer for him, I can't imagine at that point he'd say no.

I think Beal played real well this season (when he was healthy, that is). If anything, his performance improved his value because he showed he can still be an efficient #2 scorer rather than an inefficient #1 scorer. Good teams can use the former, they can't use the latter.

Meh. He was injured a decent amount. He certainly played better than he did in '21, but was this a top 3 Beal season? I don't think it was.

I'm not sure I agree that other teams view it as a positive that Beal has settled into a secondary scorer role. The time in Beal's career when viewed at his highest, as a top 15 player in the league, was in '20 and '21 when he was putting up his biggest scoring numbers. I think teams would rather see strong scoring numbers (on good efficiency), with the understanding that if they were to trade for him, he would slide into that #2 role.

[thinker07]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

2 The very best trades for the Wiz would likely be for one of the many high first round picks that seemingly are available in the coming draft. The lack of a GM onboard at this point would seem to make it tough to have someone get the job and immediately make the franchise changing trade on draft night (or thereabout).

3 Everyone is throwing out trades with upcoming free agents like Harden, Kuz, Jerami Grant, etc. Those players have to agree to the deal. It's hard to see Harden agreeing to a S&T because Houston has lots of cap space. It's hard to see Kuz agree to a S&T unless it's to a team he really wants to play for and THEY want to make a deal with the Wiz (teams like the Knicks, Nets, Heat, Clippers, etc.)

4 I would want to top tier GM onboard who has had a full opportunity to assess the roster before trading Beal or anyone else. I don't know how anyone could say ending up with any particular player is helpful in return for Beal before there has been an elaborate plan made for the full roster. Is the plan to retain Kuz and KP? Who do the Wiz pick at #8? I am pretty confident if there is a moment when all the parties agree that Beal should be traded, there will be a good deal to be made. Beal would be coveted by many teams, even if the later years of his deal might be tough. Beal does not in any way need to be offloaded right away.

5 People don't seem to understand the Portland situation. The team is owned by the probate estate of the deceased Paul Allen and ultimately would be owned by a charitable trust. It is 1000% to be sold in the next year or two. All calculations about Lillard and any trades are almost entirely to do with how to boost the value of the team prior to the sale. Do I think they might agree to trade Simons and the #3 pick for Beal? Absolutely. I think it's more likely they make a trade with Toronto, though for Siakam or OG. At the same time, though, reports indicate that Houston, Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, New Orleans, Dallas might all be interested in trading their top 10 picks for the right deal. So I don't know how high a price Portland can demand for its pick. Also Simons is even less valuable than his stats indicate. He is a GREAT streak shooter. He is NOT a PG, though he is that size. He is not much of a defender, passer, or rebounder. Really his best role would be a 6th man microwave scorer off the bench -- BUT 3 years at about $25 mil per?

6 The draft is in a month and free agency shortly thereafter. That's not much time for a new person. That new person is certainly not going to come in a blow everything up like Tim Connelly did in Minnesota. I would bet that the agreement with Ted would be, lets run this thing back for next year. If they aren't off to a super fast start, then he is free to make franchise changing trades NEXT year at the deadline.

7 Definitely, Beal is not the only or even biggest roster problem. Realistically Gafford, KP, and Kuz aren't an ideal starting lineup combination -- there just isn't enough switching defensive ability or rebounding or 3 point shooting. Obviously there is no impact starting PG on the team. Probably power forward is the best position for KP, Kuzma, and Deni before you even get to Gill, Todd, or Cooks. Is Gafford a backup center? Then his $13 mil ish per year deal for the next 3 years is problematic. If he's a starter, who's the backup? At #8, at least one of the forwards Walker, Hendricks, Ausar Thompson, Dick or Whitmore will be available. And at least one PG among Black, Wallace and Smith will be available. Depending on who they pick, it will shift a bunch of things around and any number of players might need to be trade to balance the roster. So I don't even know about any trade until there is a comprehensive plan for the roster overall.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

2. See #4 below.

3. Agreed. S&T's will not be game changers in the offseason. If we S&T Kuzma, don't expect much in return.

4. I don't think it should take more than a couple of weeks for a GM to have a good handle on this roster. There's plenty of film and exit interviews to go through. And I'm sure any GM who lands the job will be doing so because he has a pretty clear vision of what he wants to do because he has already done his research.

5. Good points on Portland's ownership situation. And I don't see any way they trade for Beal. That will just get them back to the Lillard/McCollum era all over again.

6. See #4 above.

7. I don't have a problem with the KP/Gafford combo. I think it's working out fine. Basically, they only share the court for the first 5 minutes of each half. They alternate at center after that. The end result is that Gafford plays more than just the 15 minutes one expects from a backup center. He gets 25 minutes, which justifies his salary. (I would expect Gafford's minutes to decline in the postseason when the twin towers lineup presumably becomes untenable, but that doesn't mean he isn't worth $12M a year.) Also, I'm not too worried about a minutes crunch between Kuzma and Deni. Kuzma can play the SF and PF position interchangeably, so there are plenty of minutes available for both guys assuming they earn them. The real issue is that neither one is all that great and we need either an upgrade or a massive leap out of Deni. Clearly, as bad as this team stinks, there isn't much reason to worry about too much talent at any one position. Too much talent is definitely not our problem.

1,000,000% I hope you're right and a new GM hits the ground running (and with a full vision AND full authority from Ted). If it's Meyers then that's certainly sure to be the case on both fronts. And I personally am not soooo attached to anyone on the roster that I would mourn anyone being traded. There are so many directions they could go in, but keeping the "big three" and maybe drafting a point guard doesn't seem a huge game changer to me. So I'd prefer for the new GM to reimagine the roster and trade at least one of them. It's a lot of possible moving pieces so for sure it's going to be a very interesting summer!

[pcbothwel]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

Nate. I think you are way off on the offseason vs deadline deal for Beal.
The obvious points about the record and his NTC aside, it doesn’t financially make sense.
The offseason only allows flexibility because of cap space or SnT. But other than a team like Orlando, it wouldn’t make sense.
No player will be SnT for Beal, because non player will get 40M+ and be moved for him. And you cannot aggregate players in a SnT.
The deadline allows WAY more flexibility to teams over the cap to get beal because of lol the contracts available to them to aggregate.

[pcbothwel]

I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

Nate. I think you are way off on the offseason vs deadline deal for Beal.
The obvious points about the record and his NTC aside, it doesn’t financially make sense.
The offseason only allows flexibility because of cap space or SnT. But other than a team like Orlando, it wouldn’t make sense.
No player will be SnT for Beal, because non player will get 40M+ and be moved for him. And you cannot aggregate players in a SnT.
The deadline allows WAY more flexibility to teams over the cap to get beal because of lol the contracts available to them to aggregate.

[DCZards]

Like Wall, Beal is not a winner. Both are weak minded when measured against the upper echelon of competitors (Jimmy Butler for instance). The sooner you can get those types of players off your team the better. I'm hopeful the new GM will understand that even if it means a few lean years of winning.

Beal has often been at his best during the playoffs. Don’t take my word for it…check the record.

Everyone may not but Butler, but very few, if any, “weak minded” people make it to the NBA.

[montestewart]

Thanks a lot...

Kareem, MJ, and Mortimer Snerd

[nate33]

In regards to the point about moving Beal now because it is easier to make offseason deals than midseason deals: Isn't there something to be said for attempting to rehabilitate Beal's value?

Beal is at a real low point right now in terms of his trade value. Putting together a lineup around him that is designed to make him successful, (depending on what type of contract Westbrook wants, he could be an option) would go a long way toward helping boost Beal's tradeability. I'm not even saying we try to win games, just find a way to make Beal look good.

Beal gets to break our all-time scoring record, (hopefully) make an All-Star game, then we move him at the deadline. If a playoff team in a good position to make a run made an offer for him, I can't imagine at that point he'd say no.

I think Beal played real well this season (when he was healthy, that is). If anything, his performance improved his value because he showed he can still be an efficient #2 scorer rather than an inefficient #1 scorer. Good teams can use the former, they can't use the latter.

Meh. He was injured a decent amount. He certainly played better than he did in '21, but was this a top 3 Beal season? I don't think it was.

I'm not sure I agree that other teams view it as a positive that Beal has settled into a secondary scorer role. The time in Beal's career when viewed at his highest, as a top 15 player in the league, was in '20 and '21 when he was putting up his biggest scoring numbers. I think teams would rather see strong scoring numbers (on good efficiency), with the understanding that if they were to trade for him, he would slide into that #2 role.

Whatever you think of Beal's production last year, it wasn't some sort of artificial low point that he is likely to bounce back from. Beal was solid last year when healthy. Waiting for him to magically boost his trade value isn't a very good strategy. The more likely scenario is that his trade value drops as he gets older and his contract gets more expensive.

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I wanted to make several comments on a number of the points made in this thread.

1 Beal is 161 points away from being the Wizard's all-time career scorer. It's impossible for me to believe he would be traded this offseason.

Nice post, thinker07. I agree with much of it, but some points merit further discussion:

1. I don't care about Beal's pursuit of the scoring record. It's much harder to make a mid-season deal that it is to make an offseason deal. If there's a good deal available for Beal this offseason, we should make it. End of story. This team has won 35, 35, 39, 28 and 32 games in the last 5 seasons respectively with Beal as the best player. It isn't working. There is absolutely no reason to stick with it. The only consideration on potential Beal trades should be whether or not we are getting good value in return. Nothing else matters.

Nate. I think you are way off on the offseason vs deadline deal for Beal.
The obvious points about the record and his NTC aside, it doesn’t financially make sense.
The offseason only allows flexibility because of cap space or SnT. But other than a team like Orlando, it wouldn’t make sense.
No player will be SnT for Beal, because non player will get 40M+ and be moved for him. And you cannot aggregate players in a SnT.
The deadline allows WAY more flexibility to teams over the cap to get beal because of lol the contracts available to them to aggregate.

Fair point about there being less "filler" contracts available during the offseason since about one-third of the league will be free agents. I think my greater point is that we shouldn't wait around this offseason with the expectation that a better trade will be available later. If a reasonable trade materializes this summer, go ahead and make it. But, sure, maybe nothing interesting is available this summer, in which case we wait until December 15th after all the summer free agents are eligible to be included in trades and it becomes easier to match salaries.