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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#481 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:30 pm

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Nobody knows for sure. Clearly it was my OPINION.

But I'm also wise enough to know watching him put up 30 on a depleted Nets squad isn't enough for me to sit there and say that had he stayed on the Suns the result would have been any different than the last two years. KD is an elite player - injuries or not. He's a difference maker when it comes to winning the first title in Suns history.


It’s depends which KD you getting , as a Nets fan I Saw two tails of KD during his time here , Bucks KD and Celtics KD

2 years ago vs Bucks , he was a toenail away from playing you guys in a finals on heavily injured Nets team (both Harden Kyrie down ) he was amazing , best player on the planet , if you get this KD title is yours

Last year vs Celtics , dominated KD , at some moments the worse player on the floor ( yes frickin Bruce Brown or Shadow of Dragic was better than him ) heavily doubled KD was a turnover machine , bad passer , he was that bad that ball in his hands meant one thing -turnover , you don’t want to see this version of him


But if Suns fans saw that and we were knocked out with him, especially swept or knocked out in 5, people would claim something has got to change, KD is getting too old, etc, and that we would never win with him. Now of course he has looked like a super stud again when he's been on the court again this year. We will see if he can play throughout the playoffs and continue at that level. He should be able to play at that level, given we also have Booker to take some heat off him, so it may just come down to health and how we match up with opponents.


As long as come next month Durant can stay healthy, you guys are going to be fine. This situation is way better than the absolute dumpster fire that happened last year. Doubling Durant like Boston did against your team would be suicidal with Booker and CP3 on the floor.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#482 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:32 pm

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You don't know that nor do you know if we will with KD. Either were possible. It might be more probable with KD, or less probable if he can't stay healthy. We were the favorite the last two years and although we failed, Mikal has been rapidly improving, and we likely would have had him for his career. I think he will become an all star though I know most consider him a role player or strictly 3&D. Obviously players like KD are rare but he's also missed more games than he's played the last 4 years.


Nobody knows for sure. Clearly it was my OPINION.

But I'm also wise enough to know watching him put up 30 on a depleted Nets squad isn't enough for me to sit there and say that had he stayed on the Suns the result would have been any different than the last two years. KD is an elite player - injuries or not. He's a difference maker when it comes to winning the first title in Suns history.


Possibly, if he stays healthy. Obviously if we kept Mikal we'd have to give him more opportunities to thrive than he typically got with Book, but CP3 was urging him to be aggressive. The impressive thing with Mikal on the Nets putting up what he has on avg so far is that overall it's been on elite efficiency, even being the #1 option attracting the best defender every night, so if he was doing it on the Suns, he would even have it easier.

He had JUST broken out...started being aggressive. CP3 talked about it and told him to continue it.

Anyway, you can say you don't think things would be any different but a young team in it's first two playoffs experiencing not winning it all is normal. Doesn't mean you should abandon their potential growth as a team that has faced adversity in the playoffs, and cash in a ton of chips for a 34 year old injury prone superstar in hopes he is able to stay healthy enough the next 3 seasons and you face good playoff fortune to win one.

But good for you that you are very happy with the decision and trade. Most of the fanbase seems very happy with it too which is ultimately a good thing. Hopefully we do win some championships and KD goes down as the best Sun ever.


The more I think about it I have to agree with you , if I’m Suns fan I would rather stay with Mikal CamJ and the picks , and no I’m not trying to rub salt in wounds , I just always appreciate players who stayed with one Franchise whole career even if they didn’t won championship ( eg Reggie Miller , Stockton )
Or Dirk ( in my opinion most deserved championship in last 3 decades)
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#483 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:33 pm

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It’s depends which KD you getting , as a Nets fan I Saw two tails of KD during his time here , Bucks KD and Celtics KD

2 years ago vs Bucks , he was a toenail away from playing you guys in a finals on heavily injured Nets team (both Harden Kyrie down ) he was amazing , best player on the planet , if you get this KD title is yours

Last year vs Celtics , dominated KD , at some moments the worse player on the floor ( yes frickin Bruce Brown or Shadow of Dragic was better than him ) heavily doubled KD was a turnover machine , bad passer , he was that bad that ball in his hands meant one thing -turnover , you don’t want to see this version of him


But if Suns fans saw that and we were knocked out with him, especially swept or knocked out in 5, people would claim something has got to change, KD is getting too old, etc, and that we would never win with him. Now of course he has looked like a super stud again when he's been on the court again this year. We will see if he can play throughout the playoffs and continue at that level. He should be able to play at that level, given we also have Booker to take some heat off him, so it may just come down to health and how we match up with opponents.


I think 99% is health , not only KD but CP3 , Book , Ayton , you need all of them to stay healthy during playoffs


Yeah, especially given our health this year and the only guy always healthy we traded for one of most injury prone guys in the league while he was injured, and then he came back for 3 games and got injured again.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#484 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:33 pm

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It’s depends which KD you getting , as a Nets fan I Saw two tails of KD during his time here , Bucks KD and Celtics KD

2 years ago vs Bucks , he was a toenail away from playing you guys in a finals on heavily injured Nets team (both Harden Kyrie down ) he was amazing , best player on the planet , if you get this KD title is yours

Last year vs Celtics , dominated KD , at some moments the worse player on the floor ( yes frickin Bruce Brown or Shadow of Dragic was better than him ) heavily doubled KD was a turnover machine , bad passer , he was that bad that ball in his hands meant one thing -turnover , you don’t want to see this version of him


I don't see that happening in Phoenix with CP3 as the primary ball handler and Monty coaching. Kyrie literally quit versus Boston and Nash got schooled by Udoka by employing simple high school level trapping schemes that rendered KD useless. There are adults in charge in Phoenix.


Yes bro you’re right about PHX coaching staff is ways better , but anybody was /is better then Nets coaching, take any high school coach and he can run circles around Nash in coaching

But it was also KD stubbornness,inability to change his playing style ,not sure if you remember but after game 2 vs Boston KD was asked by a reporter about his turnovers , and instead of admitting that he was terrible he simply blew reporters off with saying something in a sense , that he is still the Alpha on this team and turnovers is part of the game , at that moment I knew we lost the series ,and we got swept

So saying this I can see both scenarios, I can see KD greatness, but I can also see if the smallest things doesn’t go right KD smashing his ego against a wall like he did in Celtics series


There was a clear lack of leadership and structure with that team. I don't think Phoenix has that problem and KD will defer to CP3 and let the game come to him.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#485 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:35 pm

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Nobody knows for sure. Clearly it was my OPINION.

But I'm also wise enough to know watching him put up 30 on a depleted Nets squad isn't enough for me to sit there and say that had he stayed on the Suns the result would have been any different than the last two years. KD is an elite player - injuries or not. He's a difference maker when it comes to winning the first title in Suns history.


Possibly, if he stays healthy. Obviously if we kept Mikal we'd have to give him more opportunities to thrive than he typically got with Book, but CP3 was urging him to be aggressive. The impressive thing with Mikal on the Nets putting up what he has on avg so far is that overall it's been on elite efficiency, even being the #1 option attracting the best defender every night, so if he was doing it on the Suns, he would even have it easier.

He had JUST broken out...started being aggressive. CP3 talked about it and told him to continue it.

Anyway, you can say you don't think things would be any different but a young team in it's first two playoffs experiencing not winning it all is normal. Doesn't mean you should abandon their potential growth as a team that has faced adversity in the playoffs, and cash in a ton of chips for a 34 year old injury prone superstar in hopes he is able to stay healthy enough the next 3 seasons and you face good playoff fortune to win one.

But good for you that you are very happy with the decision and trade. Most of the fanbase seems very happy with it too which is ultimately a good thing. Hopefully we do win some championships and KD goes down as the best Sun ever.


The more I think about it I have to agree with you , if I’m Suns fan I would rather stay with Mikal CamJ and the picks , and no I’m not trying to rub salt in wounds , I just always appreciate players who stayed with one Franchise whole career even if they didn’t won championship ( eg Reggie Miller , Stockton )
Or Dirk ( in my opinion most deserved championship in last 3 decades)


Yeah, me too with players staying with teams. One thing I respect about Kobe, but TD, KJ for the Suns (traded here as a rookie) and maybe Booker will. Mikal would have for sure I think if not traded. Not many players you can say that about.
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Post#486 » by SteveNashidis » Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pm

Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).
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Post#487 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:36 am

SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he probably had a little liquid courage being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#488 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:39 am

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SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him probably he had a little liquid courage being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

We obviously know your views on the trade but this is one hell of a statement to make. You don't like the trade so you chop it up to him being drunk when he called for the trade?
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Post#489 » by Revived » Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:41 am

MrMiyagi wrote:**** like this is why I didn't want to make this trade at the deadline. It would have been there this offseason...

Yeah I was just telling a friend this yesterday, a trade of this magnitude should’ve been done in the offseason so that KD can get accumulated and players get used to him and such. Plus it could also have given us one more playoff run with a much improved Bridges/Johnson and the main core.

But then Ishbia wouldn’t have been able to make the big splash that he wanted right away with all the big headlines and everything.

If KD demanded a trade in the offseason and said he only wants to play for the Nets, even with him being under contract for more years, I don’t think any other teams are gonna come rushing in to bid on him. Most other teams can’t offer a player better than Bridges anyway.

Seeing how well the Lakers have been doing after swinging a smaller trade, a deal like that would’ve been perfect for the Suns and we wouldn’t have lost Bridges or Johnson in a trade like that. But of course that wouldn’t have given Ishbia the big highlight trade that he wanted as a young new owner…
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Post#490 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:22 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:**** like this is why I didn't want to make this trade at the deadline. It would have been there this offseason...

Yeah I was just telling a friend this yesterday, a trade of this magnitude should’ve been done in the offseason so that KD can get accumulated and players get used to him and such. Plus it could also have given us one more playoff run with a much improved Bridges/Johnson and the main core.

But then Ishbia wouldn’t have been able to make the big splash that he wanted right away with all the big headlines and everything.

If KD demanded a trade in the offseason and said he only wants to play for the Nets, even with him being under contract for more years, I don’t think any other teams are gonna come rushing in to bid on him. Most other teams can’t offer a player better than Bridges anyway.

Seeing how well the Lakers have been doing after swinging a smaller trade, a deal like that would’ve been perfect for the Suns and we wouldn’t have lost Bridges or Johnson in a trade like that. But of course that wouldn’t have given Ishbia the big highlight trade that he wanted as a young new owner…


Beat me to it. I just wanted to respond how I was more in favour of the fLakers trade. We could have done that easy, gotten Beasly and Vanderbilt (Bamba, Reed)... They are a top defensive team eversince, and improved 3 point shooting. If LeBron wasn't injured they'd surley be in the playoffs - and if they do make it I don't envy their first round opponent.
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Post#491 » by SteveNashidis » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:31 am

bwgood77 wrote:
SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he probably had a little liquid courage being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.

The $40 million the deal would cost in additional luxury tax. Before this season, Sarver had agreed to pay only $14 million in luxury taxes in total during his 19-year ownership, although he was going to spend more this year.


You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.
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Post#492 » by Revived » Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:34 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:**** like this is why I didn't want to make this trade at the deadline. It would have been there this offseason...

Yeah I was just telling a friend this yesterday, a trade of this magnitude should’ve been done in the offseason so that KD can get accumulated and players get used to him and such. Plus it could also have given us one more playoff run with a much improved Bridges/Johnson and the main core.

But then Ishbia wouldn’t have been able to make the big splash that he wanted right away with all the big headlines and everything.

If KD demanded a trade in the offseason and said he only wants to play for the Nets, even with him being under contract for more years, I don’t think any other teams are gonna come rushing in to bid on him. Most other teams can’t offer a player better than Bridges anyway.

Seeing how well the Lakers have been doing after swinging a smaller trade, a deal like that would’ve been perfect for the Suns and we wouldn’t have lost Bridges or Johnson in a trade like that. But of course that wouldn’t have given Ishbia the big highlight trade that he wanted as a young new owner…


Beat me to it. I just wanted to respond how I was more in favour of the fLakers trade. We could have done that easy, gotten Beasly and Vanderbilt (Bamba, Reed)... They are a top defensive team eversince, and improved 3 point shooting. If LeBron wasn't injured they'd surley be in the playoffs - and if they do make it I don't envy their first round opponent.

Yeah that trade basically solved every Lakers issue and it could’ve done the same for the Suns tbh. Lakers are 2 deep at just about every position now.

CP3/Dlo
Booker/Beasley
Bridges/Johnson
Vanderbilt/Craig
Ayton/Landale

^that would’ve been a very tough lineup. Vando would give the Suns a legit PF with size and elite defense. And Dlo/Beasley/Johnson off the bench for bench scoring. Send out Payne, Crowder and some protected 1st or a few seconds in the trade.

Lakers have won a bunch of titles in league history in large part due to their geographical location helping them in many ways but also because they pull off smart trades like this.
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Post#493 » by Saberestar » Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:15 am

bwgood77 wrote:
SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he probably had a little liquid courage being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

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Post#494 » by garrick » Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:15 pm

SteveNashidis wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he was probably drunk being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.

The $40 million the deal would cost in additional luxury tax. Before this season, Sarver had agreed to pay only $14 million in luxury taxes in total during his 19-year ownership, although he was going to spend more this year.


You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.


I really don't see anything about Ishbia yet that shows him as a savvy owner and we just don't know how knowledgeable he is when it comes to evaluating trades because he has zero experience managing a basketball team and hanging out at NBA games doesn't count.

He is clearly a risk taker and while taking risks in business often pays out well basketball is another beast and some problems can't be solved by simply throwing more money at the problem. The luxury tax and a limited amount of draft picks really limit the moves you can make and if you're carelessly giving away your 1st round draft picks for nothing that is a move that will set you back a few years.

The smart move is he should have waited to trade for KD in the offseason, we already had BIG questions about KD's health even before the trade and Ishbia was just too damn impatient to get a trade done now. He may have already screwed up this franchise for the foreseeable future as we are way over the cap and can't nab any cheap prospects via the draft.
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Post#495 » by SteveNashidis » Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:08 pm

garrick wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he was probably drunk being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.

The $40 million the deal would cost in additional luxury tax. Before this season, Sarver had agreed to pay only $14 million in luxury taxes in total during his 19-year ownership, although he was going to spend more this year.


You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.


I really don't see anything about Ishbia yet that shows him as a savvy owner and we just don't know how knowledgeable he is when it comes to evaluating trades because he has zero experience managing a basketball team and hanging out at NBA games doesn't count.

He is clearly a risk taker and while taking risks in business often pays out well basketball is another beast and some problems can't be solved by simply throwing more money at the problem. The luxury tax and a limited amount of draft picks really limit the moves you can make and if you're carelessly giving away your 1st round draft picks for nothing that is a move that will set you back a few years.

The smart move is he should have waited to trade for KD in the offseason, we already had BIG questions about KD's health even before the trade and Ishbia was just too damn impatient to get a trade done now. He may have already screwed up this franchise for the foreseeable future as we are way over the cap and can't nab any cheap prospects via the draft.


We still have half of those future draft picks untill 2030, so there is no suns future in danger.
With Booker/ Paul in our team there is only one way to get a championship and that is not college kids. The tactic for a cursed franchise is to be aggressive and ready to reach the small gap of a future success story just like Toronto did .

I don't know many hall of famers to want to be traded to the valley, so patience is not a useful tactic.

I understand everyone's upset about the high value of our package but :
-Nets had another deals from Miami, Toronto or Celtics ( teams with rings and no high pressure championship)
- Suns will only be upgraded even though Durant's health issues, because good players will come next to KD and Book the next summer.

If Ishbia wants a championship, a possible worst case scenario about KD health will be fixed in a way better than Sarver's plan to save his $$$.

2026 Bridges back date.
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Post#496 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:12 pm

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SteveNashidis wrote:Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.



You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.


I really don't see anything about Ishbia yet that shows him as a savvy owner and we just don't know how knowledgeable he is when it comes to evaluating trades because he has zero experience managing a basketball team and hanging out at NBA games doesn't count.

He is clearly a risk taker and while taking risks in business often pays out well basketball is another beast and some problems can't be solved by simply throwing more money at the problem. The luxury tax and a limited amount of draft picks really limit the moves you can make and if you're carelessly giving away your 1st round draft picks for nothing that is a move that will set you back a few years.

The smart move is he should have waited to trade for KD in the offseason, we already had BIG questions about KD's health even before the trade and Ishbia was just too damn impatient to get a trade done now. He may have already screwed up this franchise for the foreseeable future as we are way over the cap and can't nab any cheap prospects via the draft.


We still have half of those future draft picks untill 2030, so there is no suns future in danger.
With Booker/ Paul in our team there is only one way to get a championship and that is not college kids. The tactic for a cursed franchise is to be aggressive and ready to reach the small gap of a future success story just like Toronto did .

I don't know many hall of famers to want to be traded to the valley, so patience is not a useful tactic.

I understand everyone's upset about the high value of our package but :
-Nets had another deals from Miami, Toronto or Celtics ( teams with rings and no high pressure championship)
- Suns will only be upgraded even though Durant's health issues, because good players will come next to KD and Book the next summer.

If Ishbia wants a championship, a possible worst case scenario about KD health will be fixed in a way better than Sarver's plan to save his $$$.


2026 Bridges back date.


Nicely said and very true. That gives me hope that we can add veterans who are hungry to win a title around Book, Ayton, KD & CP3. The next 3-4 years will be exciting to watch. But if we don’t win a title this or next season this trade will be unsuccessful and will be talked about for decades how Phoenix just can’t win it all.
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Post#497 » by Saberestar » Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:37 pm

“We’re certainly are grateful that it wasn’t something that was long, long term,” Suns coach Monty Williams said.

“You don’t want to see guys get hurt, but based on the way it looked, when I got the news (Thursday), we were pretty happy that it wasn’t a break or anything like that. We’re just glad that he’s here and getting a ton of care around the clock.”

Based on the three-week timetable, Durant will miss at least 10 games before being re-evaluated.

The Suns will have eight more regular-season games after that. Durant likely will require a ramp up since he hadn’t played since Jan. 8 in Miami, where he suffered a right MCL sprain, before making his Suns debut March 1 at Charlotte.

That ramp up could occur during the three weeks or after.

Either way, Williams didn’t want to address the potential plan for Durant. The playoffs will start early to mid-April.

“I don’t want to speculate on all that stuff,” Williams said. “We’re just going to re-evaluate when the time allows.”

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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#498 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:47 pm

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SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he was probably drunk being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.

The $40 million the deal would cost in additional luxury tax. Before this season, Sarver had agreed to pay only $14 million in luxury taxes in total during his 19-year ownership, although he was going to spend more this year.


You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.


Oh, I didn't know by "did more" you meant pay more tax. Yes, he has.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#499 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:04 pm

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SteveNashidis wrote:Its all about facts not my personal aspect of view.



You cannot win a chip without luxury tax. Ishbia knows about basketball , team above him. Sarver was more an egocentric boss above the team.


I really don't see anything about Ishbia yet that shows him as a savvy owner and we just don't know how knowledgeable he is when it comes to evaluating trades because he has zero experience managing a basketball team and hanging out at NBA games doesn't count.

He is clearly a risk taker and while taking risks in business often pays out well basketball is another beast and some problems can't be solved by simply throwing more money at the problem. The luxury tax and a limited amount of draft picks really limit the moves you can make and if you're carelessly giving away your 1st round draft picks for nothing that is a move that will set you back a few years.

The smart move is he should have waited to trade for KD in the offseason, we already had BIG questions about KD's health even before the trade and Ishbia was just too damn impatient to get a trade done now. He may have already screwed up this franchise for the foreseeable future as we are way over the cap and can't nab any cheap prospects via the draft.


We still have half of those future draft picks untill 2030, so there is no suns future in danger.
With Booker/ Paul in our team there is only one way to get a championship and that is not college kids. The tactic for a cursed franchise is to be aggressive and ready to reach the small gap of a future success story just like Toronto did .

I don't know many hall of famers to want to be traded to the valley, so patience is not a useful tactic.

I understand everyone's upset about the high value of our package but :
-Nets had another deals from Miami, Toronto or Celtics ( teams with rings and no high pressure championship)
- Suns will only be upgraded even though Durant's health issues, because good players will come next to KD and Book the next summer.

If Ishbia wants a championship, a possible worst case scenario about KD health will be fixed in a way better than Sarver's plan to save his $$$.

2026 Bridges back date.


Good players will go to teams that can pay them. We don't have any cap space.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#500 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 11, 2023 9:34 pm

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SteveNashidis wrote:Ishbia did more than the whole Sarver's journey,so i trust him.
I trust him because he will take the right choice in order to win a championship.
Even though Durant has heath issues, with him being a Suns player, good players will be recruited easily.
We have space for one or two good players to fit with minimum veteran or MLE ( i think Ish used it i am not sure).


More than the whole Sarvers journey? I don't know about that. We haven't done anything yet. So far Ishbia has been little reckless (though to be fair to him he probably had a little liquid courage being that he was out for drinks the night after buying the team and called Jones at 11:30 to make the trade).

We obviously know your views on the trade but this is one hell of a statement to make. You don't like the trade so you chop it up to him being drunk when he called for the trade?


I said "probably", but actually should have phrased it a little differently as I more think there was probably a good chance there were a few drinks in there that gave him a little liquid courage since he changed his mind late at night while out after making an early decision. They say not to make big decisions after 8 pm, and definitely probably not after a couple drinks since he was out with friends. But perhaps there were none and that making a monumental decision altering the next decade of the Suns while out with friends is his normal operating procedure. I think he wanted to make that big splash and do it though even if earlier his senses told him it was best not to move forward. But his statements would make a bit more sense saying that he "wasn't going to sacrifice the future for the now", and then proceeding; and then later he said in an interview that he wasn't going to meddle in Jones' job, which he did that night, by calling him back telling him what to do.

At this point it doesn't matter either way though, given that the deal is long done, but I was just saying he may have a little excuse for the reckless move.

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