Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[SkywalkerAC]

San Antonio can definitely make a pitch to Bosh to join them. Lots of options for Bosh to return to Texas.

Remember that they also have the right to Splitter.

[redred9]

A lot of these proposals involve us getting back a terrible contract (or 3). Spurs fans would be willing to do Blair, Jefferson's $15m expiring, George 'the Minuteman' Hill and a future 1st for Bosh.

Blair is one of the best value deals in the NBA - 3 more years at $1m. Hill is cheap for 2 more years. Both guys can play. Jefferson's contract gets moved on for a pick/prospect from a team looking for cap relief, or at the deadline to a team with deep pockets looking for short-term depth. Plus we get a pick. Unless Bosh goes to OKC, I don't see a better trade on the horizon.

shoot, id be all over that. Hill and Blair on this team would look good.

as long as the big tank is following in their tracks or we get our hands on Rubio somehow, our future would look nice.

[djsunyc]

it's been a while since a top FA wanted to sign in chicago. last one was ben wallace. before that? who? jalen rose?

eddy curry was held at gunpoint in his house in chicago. wasn't toine walker's stuff jacked (or someone else, not sure)?

point is...it's been a while since somebody actually wanted to sign with chicago as a FA.

[HEDOBALL]

Didn't want to wade through 33 pages of stuff but, I was just thinking of this while watching DEN vs UTH

What if the knicks pick that utah owns currently ends up being a top 3 pick, even better, a top 2 pick. Stranger things have happened.

Anyways

Toronto trades Bosh to Utah for Millsap, the knicks 1st rounder, possibly their first rounder, or fillers.

Utah gets back a all star calibre PF, if they decide to let Boozer walk, clear Millsap's contract, and possibly come out with some money to spend on FA's this summer.

[xxPrimierxx]

I didnt read through the 33 pages of trade ideas. But after watching the Thunder against the Lakers in the first round, I have quite the idea.

To Toronto: Russel Westbrook, Jeff Green and their 2010 First round draft pick. (If they still have it)

To Oklahoma City: Chris Bosh, Jarret Jack and Hedo Turkoglu.

We get back a HOT young guard that can flat our score. He is ball dominant so we would have to give Hedo away. Well actually, we are kinda throwing him to anyone that will take him, but so what?

Jeff green is a solid player, even though im not sure how we would be able to utilize him yet. Im assuming as a Small Forward.

We dump Turk, send Bosh to a contender and sweeten the deal with Jarret Jack going to them. This makes Calderon come off the bench for sure, which is where he is most lethal from. Get him to come off the bench and just score points and get others involved is exactly what he should be doing. Plus we have Westbrook to close out games for us.

Our new roster would look like:
Westbrook/Calderon
DeRozan/Belinelli
Green/Weems
Bargnani/Amir
???/???

Chicago wouldnt be a bad trade partner either.

To Toronto: Joahkim Noah, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich and Taj Gibson.

To Chicago: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon and Hedo Turkoglu.

We get the banger centre we have been drooling over in Noah and a solid pickup in Gibson.

Bulls get Bosh and another role guy in Beli.

Roster:
Hinrich/Jack
DeRozan/Weems
Luol Deng/???
Bargnani/Gibson
Noah/Amir

[HEDOBALL]

get your own material d-bag

[Mongoose]

Bulls fan here. Judging from what I've read and discussed with my group of fellow fans, I'm gonna venture to say that Noah is now virtually untouchable (along with Rose, of course). Rose and Noah are basically the Bulls' core group right now, and I imagine Bosh isn't blind to the fact that the Bulls would have a gaping hole at center if he agreed to a S&T to the Bulls and Noah was part of the package. Meaning he might have to suit up for the middle. And from what I recall, Bosh hates playing center, no?

Everyone else should be in play: Deng, Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, Asik, this year's pick, etc. I'd also guess that you'd only be able to pull one of Deng or Hinrich away, since the Bulls still need to field a starting five somehow. Deng the Bulls would probably move; he's a solid player, but his contract is the larger of the two, so it'd free up more cap for a second free agent signing. Taj is an easy target, since Bosh replaces him. JJ is also an easy target if Deng isn't also included, else the Bulls don't have a 3 left. Asik, perhaps; Euro dude whose specialty is blocking shots sounds like something the Raptors could use.

In any case, don't expect half a team back if it happens, since the Bulls don't need to match salary. The point of signing a big name, after all, is to be immediately competitive with said big name, so anything that severely cripples the Bulls' chances at becoming a contender in the near future ain't gonna happen.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Bulls fan here. Judging from what I've read and discussed with my group of fellow fans, I'm gonna venture to say that Noah is now virtually untouchable (along with Rose, of course). Rose and Noah are basically the Bulls' core group right now, and I imagine Bosh isn't blind to the fact that the Bulls would have a gaping hole at center if he agreed to a S&T to the Bulls and Noah was part of the package. Meaning he might have to suit up for the middle. And from what I recall, Bosh hates playing center, no?

Everyone else should be in play: Deng, Hinrich, Gibson, James Johnson, Asik, this year's pick, etc. I'd also guess that you'd only be able to pull one of Deng or Hinrich away, since the Bulls still need to field a starting five somehow. Deng the Bulls would probably move; he's a solid player, but his contract is the larger of the two, so it'd free up more cap for a second free agent signing. Taj is an easy target, since Bosh replaces him. JJ is also an easy target if Deng isn't also included, else the Bulls don't have a 3 left. Asik, perhaps; Euro dude whose specialty is blocking shots sounds like something the Raptors could use.

In any case, don't expect half a team back if it happens, since the Bulls don't need to match salary. The point of signing a big name, after all, is to be immediately competitive with said big name, so anything that severely cripples the Bulls' chances at becoming a contender in the near future ain't gonna happen.

Any chance Chicago would do a Deng/Hedo swap? Personally I wouldn't mind doing a Deng+Asik+2010 1st for Bosh, however paying both Hedo and Deng would become expensive. We would be able to field a pretty good young team, with Hedo and Jose being the main targets to be moved. Still need to address some backcourt issues, but we're much improved in terms of defense and rebounding. We'd also have Banks' and Reggies' expiring contracts to package in a trade, as well as the MLE.

Bargs/Asik/#17-Alabi?
Amir/#13-Udoh?/Reggie
Deng/Hedo
DD/Weems/Belinelli
Jack/Jose

[beno]

For all you people that think the Bosh trade will net us anything good, prepare to be disappointed.

[Rapsobsessed7]

only way we take Deng is if they take Hedo.

Example.

To TOR: Deng + #17 + TE
To CHI: Bosh + Turkaglu

Rose
Hinrich/Bell
Turkaglu/Johnson
Bosh/Gibson
Noah/Asik

[The Duke]

Some of these trade senarios... are way too optimistic. Like hugely optimistic in my opinion

[Rapsobsessed7]

Some of these trade senarios... are way too optimistic. Like hugely optimistic in my opinion

like what, mine?

[SkywalkerAC]

Where does Chris want to go?

Back to Texas? Chicago? OKC? New Jersey/Brooklyn? New York? LA?

Or does he actually want to stay in Toronto?

So hard to say. I guess a lot will depend on the pitches he receives from each team. I'm pretty confident he hasn't made up his mind yet, unless Morey in Houston has gotten to him.

I think Thorn (still the nets GM right?) will make a strong play (though I haven't heard much from their camp). Sounds like the Bulls will as well.

I just don't know how much the team with space are going to give up. obviously not Noah. i thought that much was obvious. but will they even give us more than a couple young players? doubt it.

BC is going to be nudging Bosh towards the teams with cap space, and in the western conference of course.

[raps4life~]

Didn't want to wade through 33 pages of stuff but, I was just thinking of this while watching DEN vs UTH

What if the knicks pick that utah owns currently ends up being a top 3 pick, even better, a top 2 pick. Stranger things have happened.

Anyways

Toronto trades Bosh to Utah for Millsap, the knicks 1st rounder, possibly their first rounder, or fillers.

Utah gets back a all star calibre PF, if they decide to let Boozer walk, clear Millsap's contract, and possibly come out with some money to spend on FA's this summer.

Thats an ass load of things we get back. I doubt we'd even get the Knicks pick alone in return for a Bosh (s&t) then you want to add Millsap AND their pick...?

[pspot]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

[Mr June]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

Bulls fan here. Trading Noah just isn't going to happen- everything that comes out of the front office puts him and Rose as our cornerstones, and rightly so. He's still on a rookie contract and that puts us in a good position to add talent around him before we have to extend.
If we do a trade I just don't think that it's going to be sending a whole bunch of players out- more than likely it would be centered around a couple of first round picks- namely ours and the future Charlotte 1st, and/or Taj and JJ. Deng would be an outside shot if Toronto wanted to take him on- but I just don't see Chicago taking on any bad contracts in return. For better or worse the front office has always been behind Deng- and I can see us riding it out with him (I can't see a situation where we'd flip him for Hedo for example). The other thing to remember is that Chicago has a cheap owner- this is not a Dallas situation (imo your best bet for getting things of worth back) where we'd stack up contracts just for talent gain -in fact we just did the opposite with the Salmons trade.
All things considered I thin Chicago would be a good trade partner for you guys- either in terms of picks, young players, a trade exception, or facilitating a 3-way deal with our cap-space.

[pspot]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

Bulls fan here. Trading Noah just isn't going to happen- everything that comes out of the front office puts him and Rose as our cornerstones, and rightly so. He's still on a rookie contract and that puts us in a good position to add talent around him before we have to extend.
If we do a trade I just don't think that it's going to be sending a whole bunch of players out- more than likely it would be centered around a couple of first round picks- namely ours and the future Charlotte 1st, and/or Taj and JJ. Deng would be an outside shot if Toronto wanted to take him on- but I just don't see Chicago taking on any bad contracts in return. For better or worse the front office has always been behind Deng- and I can see us riding it out with him (I can't see a situation where we'd flip him for Hedo for example). The other thing to remember is that Chicago has a cheap owner- this is not a Dallas situation (imo your best bet for getting things of worth back) where we'd stack up contracts just for talent gain -in fact we just did the opposite with the Salmons trade.
All things considered I thin Chicago would be a good trade partner for you guys- either in terms of picks, young players, a trade exception, or facilitating a 3-way deal with our cap-space.

yeah figured as much and rightfully so. Kind of what I was alluding to with the its a terrible time, Noah is great, his energy and desire to win is exactly something the Raps should build around.

[coldfish]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

Bulls fan here. Trading Noah just isn't going to happen- everything that comes out of the front office puts him and Rose as our cornerstones, and rightly so. He's still on a rookie contract and that puts us in a good position to add talent around him before we have to extend.
If we do a trade I just don't think that it's going to be sending a whole bunch of players out- more than likely it would be centered around a couple of first round picks- namely ours and the future Charlotte 1st, and/or Taj and JJ. Deng would be an outside shot if Toronto wanted to take him on- but I just don't see Chicago taking on any bad contracts in return. For better or worse the front office has always been behind Deng- and I can see us riding it out with him (I can't see a situation where we'd flip him for Hedo for example). The other thing to remember is that Chicago has a cheap owner- this is not a Dallas situation (imo your best bet for getting things of worth back) where we'd stack up contracts just for talent gain -in fact we just did the opposite with the Salmons trade.
All things considered I thin Chicago would be a good trade partner for you guys- either in terms of picks, young players, a trade exception, or facilitating a 3-way deal with our cap-space.

Another Bulls fan piping in.

I agree that Noah should and probably is off the table in any sign and trade. That isn't to say that Noah is better than Bosh, but that Chicago can use its capspace on someone else and keep Noah.

Bulls fans are very interested in Bosh because of how good of a fit he is and his age. I hope you guys don't think we are trolling. That being said, based on things I read, I think that the odds of Chicago getting Bosh are slim. Toronto simply wants more than what Chicago will likely offer.

Personally, I see a trade package from Chicago looking something like a combination of:
- Big TPE
- 1st round picks, including the Charlotte future first from the Tyrus trade
- James Johnson or possibly Taj Gibson
- Rights to Omer Asik
- Possibly Luol Deng if you want him . . . which you probably don't.
Where Toronto picks 2 or 3 of those assets plus the TPE.

Based on what I am reading here, that isn't going to get it done for the Bulls.

[Wasp]

I'd actually rather move Jose before Turk

its terrible timing but Noah would do so much for this team. If you could sell Chi on trading Noah and Deng for Bosh and they'd still have enough room to sign Wade.

if you also included Hinrich for Jose it would give them even more room and maybe a more attractive deal as well as they would be getting a spot up shooter

Bulls fan here. Trading Noah just isn't going to happen- everything that comes out of the front office puts him and Rose as our cornerstones, and rightly so. He's still on a rookie contract and that puts us in a good position to add talent around him before we have to extend.
If we do a trade I just don't think that it's going to be sending a whole bunch of players out- more than likely it would be centered around a couple of first round picks- namely ours and the future Charlotte 1st, and/or Taj and JJ. Deng would be an outside shot if Toronto wanted to take him on- but I just don't see Chicago taking on any bad contracts in return. For better or worse the front office has always been behind Deng- and I can see us riding it out with him (I can't see a situation where we'd flip him for Hedo for example). The other thing to remember is that Chicago has a cheap owner- this is not a Dallas situation (imo your best bet for getting things of worth back) where we'd stack up contracts just for talent gain -in fact we just did the opposite with the Salmons trade.
All things considered I thin Chicago would be a good trade partner for you guys- either in terms of picks, young players, a trade exception, or facilitating a 3-way deal with our cap-space.

No offense, but you come out and say that Chicago isn't willing to give up any roster players except Taj and JJ (with no picks involved) OR is willing to give us 2 mid-1st rounders and then go on to say that you guys are good trading partners with us? Unless Bosh comes to us and says that he'll only go to Chicago, the Bulls are going to have to offer some kind of value for Bosh because I guarantee you there will be competition from other teams who will have much better offers than that.

I do agree that Noah is a pipe dream for Raptor fans, I think anyone outside of Noah / Rose is fair game and the Bulls would be willing to make something happen. Noah / Rose / Bosh is one of the best trios in the East and is also very young to boot - they'd be stupid to let their loyalty to someone like Deng or Hinrich cost them a chance to contend for the next 7 years.

[panthermark]

Another Bulls fan here...

None of us knows what is going to happen.

However, whom ever Bosh chooses....THAT team will get a very good deal on Bosh. If that team can afford to sign Bosh as a FA...that team will get Bosh for next to nothing.

If Bosh says "Miami is the best fit for me, that is where I'm going". You either S&T him there and take back whatever you can get (TPE, 2nd round pick)....or face a very ugly, public stand-off.

Such a stand-off of is bad business for Toronto. You are not going to be able to "pimp" a player that popular, and an agent that powerful.

This has nothing to do with the value of Chris Bosh, this is based 100% on the position the BC now finds himself in.