Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[Steve Mills]

Quite often I will get Allan into the office to laugh at them with me.

[Fat]

JR spends most of the time as a SF, you of all people should know that. Besides, wing positions are completely interchangeable.

Knicks play alot of small ball thas why jr is at sf, just because the knicks play jr at sf doesnt mean memphis envisions doing the same.

[Fat]

For the jr haters who desperately want him gone

Knicks recieve - alex shevd, turiaf

Wolves receieve - jr smith

[ctorres]

I visited the Warriors forum to ask what they would propose for Melo. One fan offered...

David Lee
Harrison Barnes
Nemanja Nedović

for

Carmelo Anthony
Beno Udrih

[Fat]

I visited the Warriors forum to ask what they would propose for Melo. One fan offered...

David Lee
Harrison Barnes
Nemanja Nedović

for

Carmelo Anthony
Beno Udrih

Deal

[ctorres]

For the jr haters who desperately want him gone

Knicks recieve - alex shevd, turiaf

Wolves receieve - jr smith

Visit the Wolves forum, make them the offer, let us know what they say

[moocow007]

For the jr haters who desperately want him gone

Knicks recieve - alex shevd, turiaf

Wolves receieve - jr smith

So basically a salary dump as in getting rid of that 3rd year on Smiths contract.

[moocow007]

For the jr haters who desperately want him gone

Knicks recieve - alex shevd, turiaf

Wolves receieve - jr smith

Visit the Wolves forum, make them the offer, let us know what they say

To be fair...Shveds been awful this season. He's owed $3.1m this year and $3.3m next year...making his value from an asset standpoint pretty poopish... Turiaf really isn't needed.

[riter]

People still neglecting how much leverage Rondo has here, especially if Boston is not willing to give him 4-5 max years in 2015, which he obviously wants, and can probably get. Not saying it will happen, but it would hardly be the first star to leave his team high and dry (see: LeBron, Howard, Paul, Melo, Bosh). Not going to get full value for him if that's the case, especially the closer he gets to unrestricted free agency. Because he can kill any decent trade simply by telling teams he will not resign with them (see: Paul, Melo).

Gun to Ainge's head, and faced with the alternatives of giving him 4/74m (or even 5/95m), letting him walk for nothing to a team like the Knicks or trading him for 70 cents on the dollar, he might just opt for the latter. Keep in mind that Ainge already knows how interested he is in breaking the bank for Rondo, and also already knows that Rondo is intent on hitting unrestricted free agency.

Just wouldn't sleep on it entirely, especially if the Knicks somehow get some first rounders to trade.

just another poster on Celtic's board--but I couldn't of said it better myself.

[moocow007]

If the Knicks want Rondo they need to start by stop being silly and thinking that a Stoudemire based package with no picks will do. What they need to do is get a 3rd and possibly 4th team involved where they can move Chandler to to get what Ainge is looking for in a Rondo trade to Boston. I would doubt honestly that a completely inexperienced GM like Mills and a dullard like Dolan has the mental aptitude to accomplish this.

Here's basically what likely is happening in the offices high above Madison Square Garden....

Dolan: "Hey Steve, Melo just called me and told me he wanted a 'Rojohn Rando' on this team...so make it happen."
Mills: "Yes Mr. Dolan....uhh...do you know what team he's on?"
Dolan: "I don't know! I think the Red Sox?"
Mills: "but I thought the Red Sox are a baseball team?"

...awkward silence...

Dolan: "dang it Mills, use the internet and find out! What do I look like?!? An expert in basketball?!?"

...a half hour and several, SEVERAL clicks of the keyboard later...Mills and Dolan huddled over a computer screen...

Dolan: "Celtics!!! I was close!"
Dolan: "that's Danny Ainges team. Get Ainge on the phone and see what you can do. If Melo wants Rando...get him Rando."

...several more agonizing minutes spent finding Ainges number...do...doo...do..do..do...ring...ring...click...

Mills: "Hi...Danny? Steve Mills from the Knicks here."
Ainge: "hi Steve from the Knicks...what can I do for you?"
Mills: "Mr. Dolan told me to call you about a Rajohn Rando. We'd like to trade for him."
Ainge: "I don't know, Steve, I'm familiar with your team quite well and I don't think you have the assets that I'm looking for to make a deal work."
Mills: "I was told to offer Amare Stoudemire...and also take big contracts or whatever from you."
Ainge: "I'm sorry Steve but I really don't want Stat...his contract is huge and uninsured and he's a shell of his former self."
Mills: "Really? I didn't know that."

...several seconds of silence...

Ainge: "I need multiple draft picks along with Hardaway and JTy to begin conversations."
Mills: "can you repeat that Danny, my pencil broke...all I got was Harda something"
Ainge: "multiple draft picks, Tim Hardaway Junior and Jeremy Tyler"
Mills: "...and Jeremy Tyler...got it"
Ainge: "ok, I gotta go Steve, I got Phoenix on the other line..."
Mills: "ok...I gotta see if Mr. Dolan wants to give you our draft picks for this year and next year..."

...more silence other end of the phone...followed by a faint chuckle...

Ainge: "ok Steve, you do that...gotta go..bye...bye.."

...mills calls Dolans office...Dolans secretary Marge picks up the phone...

Mills: "hi Marge...is Mr. Dolan in...I got this deal almost done...all it takes is for Mr. Dolan to agree to send Boston this year and next years draft picks"
Marge: "he's out getting a slushy...but we don't have our draft pick this year...and even if we did you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks"

...more silence...

Mills: "uh...really?"
Marge: "Yeah. Really."
Mills: "uh. Ok. Thanks Marge."
Marge: "good bye Steve."

...Mills stares several more agonizing minutes at the computer...

Mills: "Dang it now! This job is so hard!"

[riter]

If the Knicks want Rondo they need to start by stop being silly and thinking that a Stoudemire based package with no picks will do. What they need to do is get a 3rd and possibly 4th team involved where they can move Chandler to to get what Ainge is looking for in a Rondo trade to Boston.

Boston gets:
Amare/Shump/Perry Jones 2014 OKC 1st

NY gets:
Rondo/Crash/Bass/Perkins/Collison

OKC gets:
Tyson Chandler

I think this keeps OKC under the tax ..so they might go for it.
If Rondo says he wants NY, I think Ainge accepts this.(Jeremy Tyler and 2018 pick of course is in play)

[YaMomsEx]

If the Knicks want Rondo they need to start by stop being silly and thinking that a Stoudemire based package with no picks will do. What they need to do is get a 3rd and possibly 4th team involved where they can move Chandler to to get what Ainge is looking for in a Rondo trade to Boston.

Boston gets:
Amare/Shump/Perry Jones 2014 OKC 1st

NY gets:
Rondo/Crash/Bass/Perkins/Collison

OKC gets:
Tyson Chandler



I think this keeps OKC under the tax ..so they might go for it.
If Rondo says he wants NY, I think Ainge accepts this.(Jeremy Tyler and 2018 pick of course is in play)

This trade makes sense.....Like you said we would probably have to throw our 2018 pick in but I would still do it

[riter]

how do we get Deng and Kyrie in a Knicks uniform?

[Nutty Nats Fan]

how do we get Deng and Kyrie in a Knicks uniform?

Kyrie is impossible.

Deng, very unlikely. It would need to be two deals, which makes it harder. And the 2nd deal would require taking bad contracts. Cavs I assume would rather have expirings for, instead of the two year deals NY has.

[cw3k]

how do we get Deng and Kyrie in a Knicks uniform?

Kyrie is impossible.

Deng, very unlikely. It would need to be two deals, which makes it harder. And the 2nd deal would require taking bad contracts. Cavs I assume would rather have expirings for, instead of the two year deals NY has.

Deng is unrestricted free agent is I am not mistaken.

As for Kyrie, I agreed. I don't see a reason why the cavs is letting him go.

Maybe Nick Young from Lakers. I like him and have real potential.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

how do we get Deng and Kyrie in a Knicks uniform?

Kyrie is impossible.

Deng, very unlikely. It would need to be two deals, which makes it harder. And the 2nd deal would require taking bad contracts. Cavs I assume would rather have expirings for, instead of the two year deals NY has.

Deng is unrestricted free agent is I am not mistaken.

As for Kyrie, I agreed. I don't see a reason why the cavs is letting him go.

Maybe Nick Young from Lakers. I like him and have real potential.

Deng is, but from all the reports, he is not resigning with the Cavs. So the only way to make it worth the Cavs while is to give them value and take bad contracts in a separate deal. Cavs would also have to accept a longer contract for Deng's expiring, unless a third team wants to give up expirings.

Something like:

Amare to the Celtics.
Hump to the Cavs.

Wallace and Deng to NY.

That works, but some value would need to be added to give the Cavs a reason to do it.

A follow up example of Bargs for Jack and Clark, would let the Cavs dump Jack's deal.

[Jtoocheap]

I think Jack is finally playing better. However, they would probably move him if they could.

[SuperflyKnick]

If Cleveland Wud Take Bargnani, Felton, Shumpert 4 Deng/Jack i wud do backflips...

[newyorker4ever]

If the Knicks want Rondo they need to start by stop being silly and thinking that a Stoudemire based package with no picks will do. What they need to do is get a 3rd and possibly 4th team involved where they can move Chandler to to get what Ainge is looking for in a Rondo trade to Boston.

Boston gets:
Amare/Shump/Perry Jones 2014 OKC 1st

NY gets:
Rondo/Crash/Bass/Perkins/Collison

OKC gets:
Tyson Chandler



I think this keeps OKC under the tax ..so they might go for it.
If Rondo says he wants NY, I think Ainge accepts this.(Jeremy Tyler and 2018 pick of course is in play)

This trade makes sense.....Like you said we would probably have to throw our 2018 pick in but I would still do it

I would do that trade to but i don't think Ainge would do it. I think he'd demand Timmy and maybe even Tyler to be in the trade unless Rondo forces his way to New York.

[riter]

Something like:

Amare to the Celtics.
Hump to the Cavs.

Wallace and Deng to NY.

That works, but some value would need to be added to give the Cavs a reason to do it.

A follow up example of Bargs for Jack and Clark, would let the Cavs dump Jack's deal.

Tyson/Melo/Deng/THJ/Felton

nice.