Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[mpharris36]

On draft night trade Tyson and cash to the suns for 2 1st rounders(they have 4) or a 1st and a second. Trade shump to okc for their late first. During the summer go after rondo in a three team trade to give boston a pick, cap relief and young player..

Knicks trade
Bargs,Amare,ray,1st from the suns

Knicks get
Rondo,gwallace,jrich

Philly trade
Thaddeus young,jrich

Philly get
Bargs,2nd pick and cap space 2015

Bos trade
Rondo,gwallace

Bos get
Amare,ray,thaddeus young,1st round cap space 2015

2014-2015 Knicks
Coach Mark jackson,

Rondo/toure
Timmy/jr
Gwallace/Pick
Melo/Mid level
Tyler/Mid level

that team isn't good

THjr doesn't play enough defense to start
Wallace as a starter? please god no
Trusting tyler to start at Center is a huge questions mark.

Plus Wallace contract runs into 2015-16 season so we can't get Rondo and Melo any help. That isn't a good deal for the knicks IMO.

[Johnny Hoops]

How does this sound guys

Knicks- Carlos Boozer, Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Tony Snell, OKC 1st(2015), CHI 1st(SAC), CHI 1st(2014), CHI 1st(2016) and a 2nd Round Pick(OKC)
Bulls- Carmelo Anthony(S&T) and Thabo Sefolosha(S&T)
Thunder- Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert

We can either use Perkins, Boozer, etc as trade bait or buy them out and let Cole and Tyler get the minutes

we have Chicago use their 1st this year and make a selection for us. 3 1st Rounders next year in 2015 and another in 2016 to replace the one we lost to Denver/Toronto. Reggie Jackson and Tim Hardaway become the starting backcourt. JR is moved for pennies on the dollar. We let STAT ball out while he's here. Bargs gets moved.

Bulls get 2 guys they want/need
Thunder get an upgrade at Center so they make a championship push and Shumpert who can hopefully find his game again.

Sounds way too good to me but I'd be happy with it.

We are basically getting a young in his prime PG in Reggie Jackson + 4 1st round picks and oodles of cap space.

Sounds too good to be true.

[jwise44]

Bulls arent giving up 3 1st rd picks and Mirotic (Top 5 talent in '14 draft) for Melo.

Bulls will offer Boozer, CHA Pick, Bulls Pick '14 and maybe the Sacramento pick.

The the Knicks say no. Look, we have visited this before. To create enough cap space for Melo the Bulls need to move BOTH Gibson AND Dunleavy AND not take back any salary. Additionally, they will lose their mid level exception and Kirk Hinrich's bird rights. If the Bulls want to get Melo and win now they will need to do a sign and trade.

The rights to 1 of their 2014 picks
Their 2015 1st round pick
The pick they got for Deng
Rights to Mirotic
Carlos Boozer

This is a fair deal for all sides involved.

yeah bulls fans need to realize if they want Melo this is what it will take to sign him outright with a S&T

-amnesty boozer
-trade taj Gibson for a TPE and pick
-trade Dunleavy for a TPE
-they would be under the cap so they wouldn't have the MLE to bring over mirotic.

So there roster would look like this.

C - Noah/minimum guy
PF - 2014 pick CHA pick
SF - Melo/minimum guy
SG - Butler/Snell
PG - Rose/minimum guy

or with a S&T there roster could look like this:

C - Noah
PF - Taj Gibson
SF - Melo/Dunleavy
SG - Butler/Snell
PG - Rose/Hinrich

Then they would still have there MLE to sign another big

There isn't even a comparison of which team is deeper and better. Bulls would only have noah if they wanted to sign Melo outright without a S&T

I want the Knicks to keep melo for sure but I also still put my rockets above the Knicks (sorry guys but I still love y'all)

I am one of the only (probably THE only) rockets fans on Realgm that knows love and lma won't sign with us in 2015 so I have this small hope that if chi wants to sign melo outright they trade with us. It would have to be a 3 way where we land taj and maybe dun jr. And we send out one or both of Lin and Asik and our other small contracts which are expirings (we would probably lose some picks but I may be the only person on Realgm that thinks taj is completely underrated [i still would want him to backup jones because he can play 4 or 5 next to Dwight or jones])


If this happened I still hope Knicks can get in on the trade sending melo to chi and get some picks and young talent

[xNewYorkMadex]

I can see this happening during the summer.

Melo goes into free agency and both Chicago and Lakers both make impressive pitches. We dont really have squat to entice Melo until 2015, and in a panic move we tell Melo we can pair him with Josh Smith and get an upgrade at PG in the future.

We trade Bargnani + Shump for Josh Smith. Thats the move we will do to try and entice Melo to stay so we can build around him. I just feel Josh Smith will be a Knick if Melo decides to stay.

Melo takes a slight paycut to give us enough room to sign a free agent PG in 2015 or acquire one via trade. I would love to know what our cap situation looks like with Josh Smith on the team and Melo making about $20-$22 million in 2015.

[DowNY]

I can see this happening during the summer.

Melo goes into free agency and both Chicago and Lakers both make impressive pitches. We dont really have squat to entice Melo until 2015, and in a panic move we tell Melo we can pair him with Josh Smith and get an upgrade at PG in the future.

We trade Bargnani + Shump for Josh Smith. Thats the move we will do to try and entice Melo to stay so we can build around him. I just feel Josh Smith will be a Knick if Melo decides to stay.

Melo takes a slight paycut to give us enough room to sign a free agent PG in 2015 or acquire one via trade. I would love to know what our cap situation looks like with Josh Smith on the team and Melo making about $20-$22 million in 2015.

That's a complete Nets/Gerald Wallace move.

[SuperflyKnick]

I can see this happening during the summer.

Melo goes into free agency and both Chicago and Lakers both make impressive pitches. We dont really have squat to entice Melo until 2015, and in a panic move we tell Melo we can pair him with Josh Smith and get an upgrade at PG in the future.

We trade Bargnani + Shump for Josh Smith. Thats the move we will do to try and entice Melo to stay so we can build around him. I just feel Josh Smith will be a Knick if Melo decides to stay.

Melo takes a slight paycut to give us enough room to sign a free agent PG in 2015 or acquire one via trade. I would love to know what our cap situation looks like with Josh Smith on the team and Melo making about $20-$22 million in 2015.

And Melo will stay because the Knicks will get josh ?

[xNewYorkMadex]

I can see this happening during the summer.

Melo goes into free agency and both Chicago and Lakers both make impressive pitches. We dont really have squat to entice Melo until 2015, and in a panic move we tell Melo we can pair him with Josh Smith and get an upgrade at PG in the future.

We trade Bargnani + Shump for Josh Smith. Thats the move we will do to try and entice Melo to stay so we can build around him. I just feel Josh Smith will be a Knick if Melo decides to stay.

Melo takes a slight paycut to give us enough room to sign a free agent PG in 2015 or acquire one via trade. I would love to know what our cap situation looks like with Josh Smith on the team and Melo making about $20-$22 million in 2015.

And Melo will stay because the Knicks will get josh ?

Both Melo and Josh are from Oak Hill Academy. There is that connection. And lets be honest, Melo just wants to see some sort of change around here. Melo wants to stay here, but he doesnt want to stay with the same team around him. Josh Smith is really the one of the few players that I see us targeting.

Smith and a coach like JVG or a coach with some sort of pedigree that can properly teach J-Smoove how to be disciplined might change Smith into an impact player. Not saying he is the solution to our problems, but as far as appeasing Melo? I can see it satisfying him. Melo doesnt think like "analysts". Doesnt care about his bball iq or his +/-. I mean Melo did support the signing of Jr Smith and Melo knew 1st hand how poor his awareness and shot selection is. He sees a player like J-Smoove and he sees talent that can help him especially on defense.

Smith + an upgrade at PG + a coach with pedigree is an immediate plan that Melo might want to hear. Melo doesnt care about our 2015 plan unless we see some immediate improvement once the 2014 season starts.

[Meat]

I can see this happening during the summer.

Melo goes into free agency and both Chicago and Lakers both make impressive pitches. We dont really have squat to entice Melo until 2015, and in a panic move we tell Melo we can pair him with Josh Smith and get an upgrade at PG in the future.

We trade Bargnani + Shump for Josh Smith. Thats the move we will do to try and entice Melo to stay so we can build around him. I just feel Josh Smith will be a Knick if Melo decides to stay.

Melo takes a slight paycut to give us enough room to sign a free agent PG in 2015 or acquire one via trade. I would love to know what our cap situation looks like with Josh Smith on the team and Melo making about $20-$22 million in 2015.

And Melo will stay because the Knicks will get josh ?

Both Melo and Josh are from Oak Hill Academy. There is that connection. And lets be honest, Melo just wants to see some sort of change around here. Melo wants to stay here, but he doesnt want to stay with the same team around him. Josh Smith is really the one of the few players that I see us targeting.

Smith and a coach like JVG or a coach with some sort of pedigree that can properly teach J-Smoove how to be disciplined might change Smith into an impact player. Not saying he is the solution to our problems, but as far as appeasing Melo? I can see it satisfying him. Melo doesnt think like "analysts". Doesnt care about his bball iq or his +/-. I mean Melo did support the signing of Jr Smith and Melo knew 1st hand how poor his awareness and shot selection is. He sees a player like J-Smoove and he sees talent that can help him especially on defense.

Smith + an upgrade at PG + a coach with pedigree is an immediate plan that Melo might want to hear. Melo doesnt care about our 2015 plan unless we see some immediate improvement once the 2014 season starts.

this is nothing because a coach with a pedigree would want josh smith, you think thibs is going to want to go from one of the highest iq forwards in the league(deng) to josh smith? or jackson is going to jump to go from iggy to smith?

come on son

[DowNY]

Here's my ditch 2015 plan to keep Melo outline for this offseason:

2 Trades. Dependent on if the Thunder doesn't make the finals again.

TRADE #1

THUNDER-CELTICS-KNICKS-PISTONS
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mds2ypy

Knicks acquire - Russell Westbrook, Gerald Wallace, Keith Bogans & Josh Smith
(trading: Raymond Felton, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Tyson Chandler & 2018 1st round pick)
WHY? Russell Westbrook & DEFENSE!. Take back bad contracts in Wallace & Josh Smith, but make them useful around Westbrook & Melo. We end up giving Melo the max, because we don't care. 2015 won't matter after getting Josh Smith along with Westbrook.

Thunder acquire - Rajon Rondo, Tyson Chandler & Raymond Felton
(trading: Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Hasheem Thabeet & 2014 1st)
WHY? How many times are you gonna roll with the Westbrook/Durant duo & it not work? Durant needs to be THE man & Rajon Rondo would help him be that for many years, unlike Westbrook. Also, Tyson Chandler next to Ibaka is a major upgrade vs. Perkins. Felton replaces Reggie Jackson for backup PG because Reggie Jackson would be going into his contract year, where he would be getting way more than Raymond Felton to possibly even start somewhere.

Celtics acquire - Andrea Bargnani, Iman Shumpert, Kendrick Perkins, Reggie Jackson, Hasheem Thabeet, 2014 1st rd pick via OKC, 2018 1st round pick via NYK & future 1st from the Pistons
(trading: Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace & Keith Bogans)
WHY? Rajon Rondo is leaving, they're better off getting something before it's too late. Get out of Wallace's & Green's contracts in the process. Obtains nothing but expirings, nice youth pieces (also expirings) & picks.

Pistons acquire - Jeff Green & JR Smith
(trading: Josh Smith)
WHY? Josh Smith isn't going to work out there with Monroe & Drummond down low. Jeff Green is a better fit for SF with those guys & is much cheaper for shorter years. JR Smith fills in for Stuckey & helps them maintain some offense on a decent deal that's shorter than Josh Smith's deal.

_________________________

TRADE #2

KNICKS-BUCKS-PELICANS

After completing that trade, we still use Amar'e & his expiring to take on a struggling player. Since we're already in cap hell with the above trade, it's better to just trade Amar'e for more useful players instead of having him expire.

Knicks acquire - Tyreke Evans & Zaza Pachulia
(trading: Amar'e Stoudemire)
WHY? obvious reasons. Swapping Amar'e for some type of useful players

Bucks acquire - Eric Gordon & Amar'e Stoudemire
(trading: OJ Mayo, Larry Sanders & Ersan Ilyasova)
WHY? Save a lot of money!, helps their tank for 1 more season so they can build around G. Ante & maybe even Gordon, who they had interest in at the deadline & is making his way back to playing some good ball.

Pelicans acquire - Larry Sanders, OJ Mayo & Ersan Ilyasova
(trading: Eric Gordon & Tyreke Evans)
WHY? They swap pieces that don't fit into pieces that do basically. Larry Sanders fit nicely next to Anthony Davis. OJ Mayo fits nicely next to Jrue Holiday. Take a chance on Ilyasova at SF maybe in the process. Better than what they have currently.

OUR LINE-UP FOR NEXT SEASON BECOMES THIS:

Russell Westbrook / Pablo Prigioni
Tyreke Evans / Tim Hardaway Jr.
Carmelo Anthony / Gerald Wallace
Josh Smith / MLE or Kenyon Martin ?
Jeremy Tyler / Zaza Pachulia

[mpharris36]

OUR LINE-UP FOR NEXT SEASON BECOMES THIS:

Russell Westbrook / Pablo Prigioni
Tyreke Evans / Tim Hardaway Jr.
Carmelo Anthony / Gerald Wallace
Josh Smith / MLE or Kenyon Martin ?
Jeremy Tyler / Zaza Pachulia

ewww

Outside of Melo and Westbrook no thanks.

What is the point of having Westbrook and Evans together? Two shoot first guards and evans can't shoot. Imagine Melo getting doubled and he had to kick it out to Evans or Josh Smith? LOL

I think teams would start calling us brick city!

[tranjSAIC]

If Melo stays I'd look into using Bargnani's expiring and Tim Hardaway Jr for Aaron Afflalo and Jameer Nelson. Afflalo is what we hope Hardaway will become, but with Melo turning 30 it's worth trading the future upside for a win now player. Jameer Nelson is still a solid starter and would be an upgrade at the point. Sign Shawn Marion with the mid level:

Chandler
Anthony
Marion
Afflalo
Nelson

Bench:
Prigioni
Shumpert
Smith
Stoudemire
Tyler

I could live with that.

This ain't happening, basically it's Afflalo for THJ? You guys would have to add some sweetner to get it done.

[dakomish23]

Don't think a lot of ppl would do this, but it might be a good move to send THJ and/or Chump for Hayward. Young, could get him on a decent deal (5/50?) and is just a good all around player. Reunite THJ with Burke! Chump I really don't care about. He's a goner this season id rather see it done for another young cat than the inevitable Gordon deal we'll make.

I love Affalo. Two way is THE way should be the the motto moving fwd whether your building around Melo or starting from scratch.

[Marty McFly]

Don't think a lot of ppl would do this, but it might be a good move to send THJ and/or Chump for Hayward. Young, could get him on a decent deal (5/50?) and is just a good all around player. Reunite THJ with Burke! Chump I really don't care about. He's a goner this season id rather see it done for another young cat than the inevitable Gordon deal we'll make.

I love Affalo. Two way is THE way should be the the motto moving fwd whether your building around Melo or starting from scratch.

I would love hayward, we don't have enough to get him.

[SuperflyKnick]

Don't think a lot of ppl would do this, but it might be a good move to send THJ and/or Chump for Hayward. Young, could get him on a decent deal (5/50?) and is just a good all around player. Reunite THJ with Burke! Chump I really don't care about. He's a goner this season id rather see it done for another young cat than the inevitable Gordon deal we'll make.

I love Affalo. Two way is THE way should be the the motto moving fwd whether your building around Melo or starting from scratch.

I would love hayward, we don't have enough to get him.

What has exactly Hayward done ? Shoot 39% from the field and 30 % from three !!! Dont we have enough of that already

[Marty McFly]

Don't think a lot of ppl would do this, but it might be a good move to send THJ and/or Chump for Hayward. Young, could get him on a decent deal (5/50?) and is just a good all around player. Reunite THJ with Burke! Chump I really don't care about. He's a goner this season id rather see it done for another young cat than the inevitable Gordon deal we'll make.

I love Affalo. Two way is THE way should be the the motto moving fwd whether your building around Melo or starting from scratch.

I would love hayward, we don't have enough to get him.

What has exactly Hayward done ? Shoot 39% from the field and 30 % from three !!! Dont we have enough of that already

gordon hayward is 23, and he's got really good ball skills. a guy like him is surely going to improve. much more so than a thjr or a shump for that matter.

[SuperflyKnick]

I would love hayward, we don't have enough to get him.

What has exactly Hayward done ? Shoot 39% from the field and 30 % from three !!! Dont we have enough of that already

gordon hayward is 23, and he's got really good ball skills. a guy like him is surely going to improve. much more so than a thjr or a shump for that matter.

And a guy like him is ready to be overpaid right now, the time we are preserving cap to get another star

[Marty McFly]

What has exactly Hayward done ? Shoot 39% from the field and 30 % from three !!! Dont we have enough of that already

gordon hayward is 23, and he's got really good ball skills. a guy like him is surely going to improve. much more so than a thjr or a shump for that matter.

And a guy like him is ready to be overpaid right now, the time we are preserving cap to get another star

while true, that tends to happen with guys that young you're paying them based on projection. at best he's the kind of guy that i'd want as my third best player.

[DowNY]

OUR LINE-UP FOR NEXT SEASON BECOMES THIS:

Russell Westbrook / Pablo Prigioni
Tyreke Evans / Tim Hardaway Jr.
Carmelo Anthony / Gerald Wallace
Josh Smith / MLE or Kenyon Martin ?
Jeremy Tyler / Zaza Pachulia

ewww

Outside of Melo and Westbrook no thanks.

What is the point of having Westbrook and Evans together? Two shoot first guards and evans can't shoot. Imagine Melo getting doubled and he had to kick it out to Evans or Josh Smith? LOL

I think teams would start calling us brick city!

Then you could slide Timmy to starting SG.
Figured Tyreke had better defense & can still improve his shot. Westbrook did. He's young enough. Would be more motivated with this team rather than his past teams.

Everybody in that starting lineup penetrates & creates their own shot (except zaza).

This team is better than what we have now & what we might have in Rondo, Melo & Love or Gasol plus filler by 2015.

[dakomish23]

Don't think a lot of ppl would do this, but it might be a good move to send THJ and/or Chump for Hayward. Young, could get him on a decent deal (5/50?) and is just a good all around player. Reunite THJ with Burke! Chump I really don't care about. He's a goner this season id rather see it done for another young cat than the inevitable Gordon deal we'll make.

I love Affalo. Two way is THE way should be the the motto moving fwd whether your building around Melo or starting from scratch.

I would love hayward, we don't have enough to get him.

You think Chump and THJ wouldn't be enough? I know they love him in Utah.

[dakomish23]

What has exactly Hayward done ? Shoot 39% from the field and 30 % from three !!! Dont we have enough of that already

gordon hayward is 23, and he's got really good ball skills. a guy like him is surely going to improve. much more so than a thjr or a shump for that matter.

And a guy like him is ready to be overpaid right now, the time we are preserving cap to get another star

He's got a very good all around game and will be doing great once defenses aren't solely focused on him