Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

[djsunyc]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 12m12 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani said he hasn't been cleared for contact yet, and seemed to really appreciate being asked questions about his health.

bargs hasn't been cleared for contact since 2006.

[mpharris36]

We don't have a better option at the backup 4/5. If I had my druthers, Amare would exclusively be a 4 and Cole would back up Dally.

We have a better option at the 2.

To be clear, I only advocate for players to play in comparison to other players at their position. I wouldn't want Amare playing if there were viable alternatives.

First off JR and "better option" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

And I strongly believe Cole Aldrich is a better option than Amare. The only thing Amare does better than Cole is score. Cole rebounds better, defends better, he a higher motor, and is a smart basketball player.

JR is shooting 25% from 3...he's is not a better option at this point.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Right now the team is so terrible that pretty much everyone on the team (both players and coaches) should be the scapegoats (what folks naturally look for) for losing. In fact, if they actually all realize and accept that then maybe we can move forward and everyone take responsibility for the loses and improve.

But some guys have too many years of entrenched bad habits and not enough years of athletic ability left in the tank to really be worth including in any sort of developmental process, which is why I'd like to see JR phased out or traded at some point.

[Johnny Hoops]

You guys can't honestly think that was Fisher's play.

During timeout ---

Pablo "ok and if Melo is open at the elbow I give it to him right?"

Fish "no - Jack-ass you fake it to Melo and wait look for JR at about 35 feet out - that will do the trick"

[Johnny Hoops]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 1h1 hour ago

Calderon hopes to hit the court next week: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.9612410 …

Unreal.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

[GONYK]

We don't have a better option at the backup 4/5. If I had my druthers, Amare would exclusively be a 4 and Cole would back up Dally.

We have a better option at the 2.

To be clear, I only advocate for players to play in comparison to other players at their position. I wouldn't want Amare playing if there were viable alternatives.

First off JR and "better option" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

And I strongly believe Cole Aldrich is a better option than Amare. The only thing Amare does better than Cole is score. Cole rebounds better, defends better, he a higher motor, and is a smart basketball player.

JR is shooting 25% from 3...he's is not a better option at this point.

Of course JR and "better option" belong in the same sentence when used in relation to THJ. It's true. He's better.

Cole is a better defender than Amare, and should play the 5 exclusively.

Amare should play the 4 and Jason Smith probably shouldn't play at all.

If we win games this year, it will be with our offense.

[HarthorneWingo]

We don't have a better option at the backup 4/5. If I had my druthers, Amare would exclusively be a 4 and Cole would back up Dally.

We have a better option at the 2.

To be clear, I only advocate for players to play in comparison to other players at their position. I wouldn't want Amare playing if there were viable alternatives.

First off JR and "better option" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

And I strongly believe Cole Aldrich is a better option than Amare. The only thing Amare does better than Cole is score. Cole rebounds better, defends better, he a higher motor, and is a smart basketball player.

JR is shooting 25% from 3...he's is not a better option at this point.

But Cole's a 5 and Amare is a 4. I think what GONYK is saying, and I agree, is that Amare should not play the 5 - unless, maybe, when the other team is playing small and we have Acy or Melo playing the 4. Forget about Jason Smith and Amare every playing together again.

[Johnny Hoops]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

What is there to evaluate?????
The whole team sucks except for Carmelo.
Shumpert needs to play like this all year, before we can say he is any good.

Everyone else sucks.

Are we really complimenting Shump after he got absolutely torched by Evan Fournier last night?

I mean holy-crap - the French kid tore him up like he was Tony Parker. Drives, cuts, 3-pointers -- Shump was exposed big time -- he looked like Timmy out there.

[blueNorange]

okafor sounds like a bust, Karl towns sound like an all star.

[nykfan42]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 1h1 hour ago

Calderon hopes to hit the court next week: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.9612410 …

Unreal.

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

Unreal that he's coming back next week?

or

Unreal that he's coming back next week

[mpharris36]

Of course JR and "better option" belong in the same sentence when used in relation to THJ. It's true. He's better.

Cole is a better defender than Amare, and should play the 5 exclusively.

Amare should play the 4 and Jason Smith probably shouldn't play at all.

If we win games this year, it will be with our offense.

simple question through the first 9 games who has been better?

THjr or JR

I'm trying to be as rational as possible. I am not even a THjr fan but there are know stats to back up that JR has been a better player so far this year meaning he doesn't deserve more minutes. I thought JR deserved more to start the year and he has again proven to me he doesn't with his awful shooting. His main job is to score and JR has been doing a terrible job of that.

[Johnny Hoops]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 12m12 minutes ago

Andrea Bargnani said he hasn't been cleared for contact yet, and seemed to really appreciate being asked questions about his health.

Come home BARGS - come home baby - we miss you.

[Rasho Brezec]

Everybody is Bruce Bowen in comparison to Tim.

Tim's offensive production isn't really in question. If that's where his value to other teams is, it will remain there.

The issue is that he can't play with Amare on top of being unable to defend his position. That alone pretty much gives the nod to JR more often than not.

If I'm coaching Amare would never see the floor as it is.

I don't get how you can kill THjr defense and then you want Amare to play when he is just as bad and is even in a more crucial position to be a better defender.

I can hide a weak wing defender. You really can't hide a weak big man.

you could but not at center when you have jason smith at power forward. it's the most ridiculous defensive duo ever.

One could say it's a duo made for ...

[Besart19]

And is it just me or is Kurt Rambis a little too happy about the Knicks struggles? Just hearing him being interviewed, it's odd. I don't trust him one bit.

He has that Phil's impression/expression!! He's our new Herb... the good one, though

[god shammgod]

If I'm coaching Amare would never see the floor as it is.

I don't get how you can kill THjr defense and then you want Amare to play when he is just as bad and is even in a more crucial position to be a better defender.

I can hide a weak wing defender. You really can't hide a weak big man.

you could but not at center when you have jason smith at power forward. it's the most ridiculous defensive duo ever.

One could say it's a duo made for ...

i'm almost ready to believe because i can't make sense of what they're doing

[mpharris36]

We don't have a better option at the backup 4/5. If I had my druthers, Amare would exclusively be a 4 and Cole would back up Dally.

We have a better option at the 2.

To be clear, I only advocate for players to play in comparison to other players at their position. I wouldn't want Amare playing if there were viable alternatives.

First off JR and "better option" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

And I strongly believe Cole Aldrich is a better option than Amare. The only thing Amare does better than Cole is score. Cole rebounds better, defends better, he a higher motor, and is a smart basketball player.

JR is shooting 25% from 3...he's is not a better option at this point.

But Cole's a 5 and Amare is a 4. I think what GONYK is saying, and I agree, is that Amare should not play the 5 - unless, maybe, when the other team is playing small and we have Acy or Melo playing the 4. Forget about Jason Smith and Amare every playing together again.

Amare hasn't been playing the 4 all year. How many times have you seen Amare with Dalembert.

When Jason Smith is in the game Jason Smith plays the 4 and Amare plays the 5.

Amare has played the 5 the entire season. Outside of the first game where he started vs the bulls.

[GONYK]

Of course JR and "better option" belong in the same sentence when used in relation to THJ. It's true. He's better.

Cole is a better defender than Amare, and should play the 5 exclusively.

Amare should play the 4 and Jason Smith probably shouldn't play at all.

If we win games this year, it will be with our offense.

simple question through the first 9 games who has been better?

THjr or JR

I'm trying to be as rational as possible. I am not even a THjr fan but there are know stats to back up that JR has been a better player so far this year meaning he doesn't deserve more minutes. I thought JR deserved more to start the year and he has again proven to me he doesn't with his awful shooting. His main job is to score and JR has been doing a terrible job of that.

JR has been outproducing THJ across the board in everything but scoring, and they shoot a nearly identical percentage so far this season.

Tim has been better from 3, Jr has been better from 2.

[Besart19]

what i object to is the idea that you can attempt to win games and evaluate at the same time. i'm gonna play my veterans because i want to win games but i'm gonna play travis wear in the 2nd quarter because i want to take a look at him. it's a close game after the half and i want to win but i wanna take another look at shump at point with timmy at the 2. oh, it's the 4th quarter ? i wonder what the offense would like with 2 points out there ? ok, it's crunch time, now lets win the game. who the f*ck coaches like this ?

What is there to evaluate?????
The whole team sucks except for Carmelo.
Shumpert needs to play like this all year, before we can say he is any good.

Everyone else sucks.

Are we really complimenting Shump after he got absolutely torched by Evan Fournier last night?

I mean holy-crap - the French kid tore him up like he was Tony Parker. Drives, cuts, 3-pointers -- Shump was exposed big time -- he looked like Timmy out there.

His defense on his man has regressed a lot because of his tendency of disruptive D and always trying to get steals by reaching and doubling instead of preventing penetrations and closing out on shooters/contesting shots!!

[GONYK]

First off JR and "better option" shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

And I strongly believe Cole Aldrich is a better option than Amare. The only thing Amare does better than Cole is score. Cole rebounds better, defends better, he a higher motor, and is a smart basketball player.

JR is shooting 25% from 3...he's is not a better option at this point.

But Cole's a 5 and Amare is a 4. I think what GONYK is saying, and I agree, is that Amare should not play the 5 - unless, maybe, when the other team is playing small and we have Acy or Melo playing the 4. Forget about Jason Smith and Amare every playing together again.

Amare hasn't been playing the 4 all year. How many times have you seen Amare with Dalembert.

When Jason Smith is in the game Jason Smith plays the 4 and Amare plays the 5.

Amare has played the 5 the entire season. Outside of the first game where he started vs the bulls.

I would rectify that before I give THJ more minutes.

[moocow007]

But that's his job. That's his one skill (shoot). He's a bench player. Not understanding how you are excusing a bench player for not being able to do the one thing he does well, his job, if you don't play him the whole game?

THjr is shooting 40% from 3 this year

JR is shooting 26% from 3 this year

who is shooting better?

coming off the bench is a certain mindset as it is, now you are asking him to just sit the entire 1st half. And come out hot in the 2nd half after not playing?

you being a bit harsh on the kid.

I'm not. I'm trying to be fair. If you are going to look for a blame for the losing you can't simply point to JR smith. He is not the main reason for this team losing games. What is happening is that JR Smith is the new Stephon Marbury...the scapegoat for way too many people here for what's wrong with the Knicks. Same way it wasn't Marbury that was the main reason for the losing then, it's not JR Smith for the losing now. Did both contribute to the losing? OBVIOUSLY. Are they both not likeable guys? SURE. But to single guys out as the recipient of most of the venom is not fair. It really isn't. Has nothing to do with defending JR Smith or thinking he's great. It's about being fair.