The Doug McDermott thread

[TimRobbins]

You are not looking very hard then. Korver barely jumps on his shot and McD's release is just about the same speed wise.

In terms of getting open, Korver has had 10 years to master that skill. Try comparing rookie Korver to Doug.

It's not about jumping, it's about the lift you get from your lower body. Korver shot .400 from 3 in his rookie season, so maybe you can try again.

Why are we talking about percentages when this whole conversation has been about form and skills. And Korver shot .352 from the floor as a rookie btw.

Isn't the skill we're talking about shooting? Korver shot .391 from 3 in his rookie season. Doug is shooting .233. I'm really not seeing the comparison. Doesn't the .233 say everything about his form and skills?

[bullsnewdynasty]

He looked a little better, but jeez he did some hoisting tonight, more field goal attempts than minutes. Wonder if that has anything to do with fear of being pulled out of the game.

[logical_art]

It's not about jumping, it's about the lift you get from your lower body. Korver shot .400 from 3 in his rookie season, so maybe you can try again.

Why are we talking about percentages when this whole conversation has been about form and skills. And Korver shot .352 from the floor as a rookie btw.

Isn't the skill we're talking about shooting? Korver shot .391 from 3 in his rookie season. Doug is shooting .233. I'm really not seeing the comparison. Doesn't the .233 say everything about his form and skills?

If all you want to do is talk about percentages than why talk about release and arc and elevation. Just look at the number.

But that would be wrong. Doug has perfect mechanics and has been a great shooter at every level. Not good, great. Shooting is a skill that most translates from level to level. The basket is the same size and height. The distance is more or less the same.

The odds of him not being a very good NBA shooter are incredibly slim given his past success and his perfect mechanics. If you want to make a case against Doug, shooting is the wrong case to make.

[TimRobbins]

If all you want to do is talk about percentages than why talk about release and arc and elevation. Just look at the number.

But that would be wrong. Doug has perfect mechanics and has been a great shooter at every level. Not good, great. Shooting is a skill that most translates from level to level. The basket is the same size and height. The distance is more or less the same.

The odds of him not being a very good NBA shooter are incredibly slim given his past success and his perfect mechanics. If you want to make a case against Doug, shooting is the wrong case to make.

I have never seen any great shooter in this league who shot .233 from 3 in any season. His mechanics are far from perfect. He gets very little lift and his host is flat. If his mechanics were perfect, he's be shooting a lot better than 23%.

You can't just ignore reality and make up your own alternative reality. It doesn't work that way.

[dice]

If all you want to do is talk about percentages than why talk about release and arc and elevation. Just look at the number.

But that would be wrong. Doug has perfect mechanics and has been a great shooter at every level. Not good, great. Shooting is a skill that most translates from level to level. The basket is the same size and height. The distance is more or less the same.

The odds of him not being a very good NBA shooter are incredibly slim given his past success and his perfect mechanics. If you want to make a case against Doug, shooting is the wrong case to make.

I have never seen any great shooter in this league who shot .233 from 3 in any season. His mechanics are far from perfect. He gets very little lift and his host is flat. If his mechanics were perfect, he's be shooting a lot better than 23%.

You can't just ignore reality and make up your own alternative reality. It doesn't work that way.

[logical_art]

If all you want to do is talk about percentages than why talk about release and arc and elevation. Just look at the number.

But that would be wrong. Doug has perfect mechanics and has been a great shooter at every level. Not good, great. Shooting is a skill that most translates from level to level. The basket is the same size and height. The distance is more or less the same.

The odds of him not being a very good NBA shooter are incredibly slim given his past success and his perfect mechanics. If you want to make a case against Doug, shooting is the wrong case to make.

I have never seen any great shooter in this league who shot .233 from 3 in any season. His mechanics are far from perfect. He gets very little lift and his host is flat. If his mechanics were perfect, he's be shooting a lot better than 23%.

You can't just ignore reality and make up your own alternative reality. It doesn't work that way.

So according to your research no player who turns out to be a successful three point shooter shoots 7-30 from three in any stretch of their career? That's a pretty bold claim which I doubt very much you can substantiate.

As far as his form, a most people disagree with you including those paid to do this for a living. He's universally lauded as having great shooting mechanics.

[RebuildaBulls]

The way Dougie moved tonight looked a lot like Kover.

[logical_art]

Hubert Davis is second in the history of the NBA in 3pt%. He shot 16-70 one season, which is less than 23%. So there's your answer.

[TimRobbins]

So according to your research no player who turns out to be a successful three point shooter shoots 7-30 from three in any stretch of their career? That's a pretty bold claim which I doubt very much you can substantiate.

As far as his form, a most people disagree with you including those paid to do this for a living. He's universally lauded as having great shooting mechanics.

According to me research, very few players came into the league shooting 23% from 3 in his first season and then became a 50% 3 pt shooter (or a 40% one). A guy with perfect mechanics doesn't go 7-30. It's hardly a bold claim and it can be very easily substantiated.

It really doesn't matter what he was lauded for before being drafted. Kwame Brown was also lauded for a bunch of things before coming into the league. Once you step on an NBA court, everything you did before becomes irrelevant.

[dice]

rookie year stretches for kyle korver:

7/29
2/21

for stephen curry:

9/33
7/31

for reggie miller:

10/40
4/21

for ray freaking allen:

8/32
6/24
4/23
11/42

[dice]

Hubert Davis is second in the history of the NBA in 3pt%. He shot 16-70 one season, which is less than 23%. So there's your answer.

checkmate

[TimRobbins]

Hubert Davis is second in the history of the NBA in 3pt%. He shot 16-70 one season, which is less than 23%. So there's your answer.

It wasn't his rookie season and he barely played that season (was injured). You're grasping at straws. Out of the greatest 200 shooters who played this game, you're not going to find more than 10 who shot less than 30% from 3 in rookie season.

So yeah, the odds of Doug becoming a great shooter are no more than 5%.

[dice]

Hubert Davis is second in the history of the NBA in 3pt%. He shot 16-70 one season, which is less than 23%. So there's your answer.

It wasn't his rookie season and he barely played that season (was injured). You're grasping at straws. Out of the greatest 200 shooters who played this game, you're not going to find more than 10 who shot less than 30% from 3 in rookie season.

So yeah, the odds of Doug becoming a great shooter are no more than 5%.

guess who else has barely played and been injured?

you just keep digging yourself deeper

[TimRobbins]

rookie year stretches for kyle korver:

7/29
2/21

for stephen curry:

9/33
7/31

for reggie miller:

10/40
4/21

for ray freaking allen:

8/32
6/24
4/23
11/42

You're cherry picking stats. That's a big no-no.

Ray Allen rookie 3pt% - 39.3%
Reggie Miller - 35.5%
Kyle Korver - 39.1%
Curry - 43.7%

Doug McDermott - 23.3%

Who doesn't belong in this group?

[dice]

rookie year stretches for kyle korver:

7/29
2/21

for stephen curry:

9/33
7/31

for reggie miller:

10/40
4/21

for ray freaking allen:

8/32
6/24
4/23
11/42

You're cherry picking stats. That's a big no-no.

Ray Allen rookie 3pt% - 39.3%
Reggie Miller - 35.5%
Kyle Korver - 39.1%
Curry - 43.7%

Doug McDermott - 23.3%

Who doesn't belong in this group?

how many attempts did those other guys get?

you're using a 30 SHOT SAMPLE. spread over months. mother of all no-nos when it comes to statistical analysis

[TimRobbins]

guess who else has barely played and been injured?

you just keep digging yourself deeper

The only one making up stuff here is you. Doug is shooting 23% from 3 for the season. That's something extremely rare for a great shooter and you're not going to find great shooters having those kind of seasons for more than 5% of the time.

So if your argument is that there's a better than 5% chance of Doug being a great shooter, it simply doesn't hold.

[TimRobbins]

how many attempts did those other guys get?

you're using a 30 SHOT SAMPLE. spread over months. mother of all no-nos when it comes to statistical analysis

That's hardly the mother of all no-nos, it just means the standard deviation is higher.

You can also make the case that no great shooter has only had 30 attempts in his rookie season, so that doesn't play in your favor.

[kodo]

I did a bball reference lookup for bad 3P shooters in their rookie seasons, got some interesting results, like Dirk Nowitzki!

1998-99 3p% 20.6% 3PA = 68

But Doug is no Dirk.

Just gotta hope he find his rhythm over the summer, the knee surgery probably blew any hope he had of finding his groove this season.

[aramada]

Rookie season is freaking meaningless. Korver played over 74 games and 800 minutes on a crappy 33-49 Sixers team. He had plenty of time to get his shot going. Doug just passed 250 min tonight on a top 3 seed, and with a knee injury in between stints.
Tonight he attacked the basket to get points on the board and get his confidence going, which allowed him to relax and start hitting jumpers. More playing time will make him more comfortable and regain the confidence that was once sky high.

It's obvious that his game is made for this league

[jc23]

Rookies gunna rookie.