State of Cowboys Union?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Do you know how to send a PM? If you do can you please send me one. I have all kinds of questions that I need to ask you.

[Mr B]

After Jerry comes Stephen who is already calling a lot of the shots. Both Jerry and Stephen have been drafting lights out in recent years, so much so that we can't even fit it all under the cap. They struck gold again with Parsons and that guy is going to command a massive salary in the not too distant future.

When Jerry brought Parcells in took a back seat to drafting and let Parcells "shop for the groceries" Parcells drafted Bobby Carpenter and a handful of other flops. He was not a good drafter.

Finding a good coach seems to be an issue (although Parcells was one) but in their defense it's not like there are 100 unemployed Bill Belichicks out there looking for a job. I don't like McCarthy either but the options we had were not exciting names at all. Finding an elite coach is really hard, there just aren't many out there who are available. McCarthy at least has a SB win in his name so that is something. At minimum it proves it is possible to win a ring with the guy.

Reality is a CEO and GM can only do so much, they aren't out there on the field and their blame can only go so far. The other reality is that this game has a very high degree of "LUCK". They don't get a 7-game series like the NBA does. A muffed snap can be the difference, or a bad ref call on Brown. This is a game of inches and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce in our favor. That's just the way it is.

I have to disagree with you about something. Bill Parcels was not a terrible drafter. Also he was not in total control of the draft. Was Barbie Crapenter a bust, I doubt. But don’t forget he also drafted Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Fasano, Jason Hatcher, and Doug Free. All had fairly long successful careers.

Now having said that Parcells was overruled from time to time. The Demarcus Ware pick being one of them. Dallas had 2 picks in the 1st round that year and Parcells liked Shawn Marriman over Demarcus Ware but he also wanted to draft Marcus Spears before both of them. He wanted Spears with their first pick but Jerry listened to the scouts and they picked Ware first and was still able to get Spears with their second 1st round pick.

The same holds true today when it comes to drafting. Jerry is the GM although Stephen seems to hold more weight now days. He’s really the one calling the shots. The draft though is run mostly by Will McClay. The Jones’ have heavily relied on McClay ever since he convinced them to draft Travis Fredrick in the 1st round even though Center is not a sexy pick. Fredrick ended up being a steal where he was drafted and until his illness was the best center in the NFL.

The Cowboys made a philosophical change around the time McClay was promoted. They typically always go with the best player available now regardless of position or need (unless it’s close). That’s why they drafted Lamb when they already had Cooper. The need was defense but Lamb was by far the best player available. Every time they have strayed away from that they failed (Taco Charlton).

[Mr B]

Do you know how to send a PM? If you do can you please send me one. I have all kinds of questions that I need to ask you.

Honestly I have no idea how to PM someone on here.

[Micah Prescott]

After Jerry comes Stephen who is already calling a lot of the shots. Both Jerry and Stephen have been drafting lights out in recent years, so much so that we can't even fit it all under the cap. They struck gold again with Parsons and that guy is going to command a massive salary in the not too distant future.

When Jerry brought Parcells in took a back seat to drafting and let Parcells "shop for the groceries" Parcells drafted Bobby Carpenter and a handful of other flops. He was not a good drafter.

Finding a good coach seems to be an issue (although Parcells was one) but in their defense it's not like there are 100 unemployed Bill Belichicks out there looking for a job. I don't like McCarthy either but the options we had were not exciting names at all. Finding an elite coach is really hard, there just aren't many out there who are available. McCarthy at least has a SB win in his name so that is something. At minimum it proves it is possible to win a ring with the guy.

Reality is a CEO and GM can only do so much, they aren't out there on the field and their blame can only go so far. The other reality is that this game has a very high degree of "LUCK". They don't get a 7-game series like the NBA does. A muffed snap can be the difference, or a bad ref call on Brown. This is a game of inches and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce in our favor. That's just the way it is.

I have to disagree with you about something. Bill Parcels was not a terrible drafter. Also he was not in total control of the draft. Was Barbie Crapenter a bust, I doubt. But don’t forget he also drafted Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Fasano, Jason Hatcher, and Doug Free. All had fairly long successful careers.

Now having said that Parcells was overruled from time to time. The Demarcus Ware pick being one of them. Dallas had 2 picks in the 1st round that year and Parcells liked Shawn Marriman over Demarcus Ware but he also wanted to draft Marcus Spears before both of them. He wanted Spears with their first pick but Jerry listened to the scouts and they picked Ware first and was still able to get Spears with their second 1st round pick.

The same holds true today when it comes to drafting. Jerry is the GM although Stephen seems to hold more weight now days. He’s really the one calling the shots. The draft though is run mostly by Will McClay. The Jones’ have heavily relied on McClay ever since he convinced them to draft Travis Fredrick in the 1st round even though Center is not a sexy pick. Fredrick ended up being a steal where he was drafted and until his illness was the best center in the NFL.

The Cowboys made a philosophical change around the time McClay was promoted. They typically always go with the best player available now regardless of position or need (unless it’s close). That’s why they drafted Lamb when they already had Cooper. The need was defense but Lamb was by far the best player available. Every time they have strayed away from that they failed (Taco Charlton).

I'll give you Ware, Witten, Newman, Barber, Ratliff at that is about it from him. I'm not saying you are wrong about Ware, I love Ware and actually think he is underrated, but the way I remember that is it being all Parcells and Parcells even labeled Ware the "Next Lawrence Taylor" (who Parcells also drafted) and Parcells compared Ware to Taylor frequently. For the most part anytime someone says something to the degree of "Jerry overruled him" I already know they are going on rumor and nothing concrete. To this day Jerry and Jimmy have conflicting stories on who drafted who from the 90s, both claim themselves and us fans will probably never know the real truth. The only players we know 100% were Jerry from those SB days are Larry Allen and the FA signing of Deion Sanders because Jimmy was gone.

From the Parcells days we do know that both claimed Parcells would be in charge of drafting and that was the deal they agreed on. And Parcells told the media something to the degree of "If I am going to make the meal I need to be able to shop for the groceries". Anything past that is rumor for the most part. But the reality is that drafting was probably a mix of both talking it out in a meeting room.

The whole "Stephen had to stop Jerry from drafting Manziel" was shown to be a false rumor as well. Again the reality is something we don't know but regardless we at least know that Jerry allowed Martin to be drafted because that is what happened.

[Mr B]

After Jerry comes Stephen who is already calling a lot of the shots. Both Jerry and Stephen have been drafting lights out in recent years, so much so that we can't even fit it all under the cap. They struck gold again with Parsons and that guy is going to command a massive salary in the not too distant future.

When Jerry brought Parcells in took a back seat to drafting and let Parcells "shop for the groceries" Parcells drafted Bobby Carpenter and a handful of other flops. He was not a good drafter.

Finding a good coach seems to be an issue (although Parcells was one) but in their defense it's not like there are 100 unemployed Bill Belichicks out there looking for a job. I don't like McCarthy either but the options we had were not exciting names at all. Finding an elite coach is really hard, there just aren't many out there who are available. McCarthy at least has a SB win in his name so that is something. At minimum it proves it is possible to win a ring with the guy.

Reality is a CEO and GM can only do so much, they aren't out there on the field and their blame can only go so far. The other reality is that this game has a very high degree of "LUCK". They don't get a 7-game series like the NBA does. A muffed snap can be the difference, or a bad ref call on Brown. This is a game of inches and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce in our favor. That's just the way it is.

I have to disagree with you about something. Bill Parcels was not a terrible drafter. Also he was not in total control of the draft. Was Barbie Crapenter a bust, I doubt. But don’t forget he also drafted Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Fasano, Jason Hatcher, and Doug Free. All had fairly long successful careers.

Now having said that Parcells was overruled from time to time. The Demarcus Ware pick being one of them. Dallas had 2 picks in the 1st round that year and Parcells liked Shawn Marriman over Demarcus Ware but he also wanted to draft Marcus Spears before both of them. He wanted Spears with their first pick but Jerry listened to the scouts and they picked Ware first and was still able to get Spears with their second 1st round pick.

The same holds true today when it comes to drafting. Jerry is the GM although Stephen seems to hold more weight now days. He’s really the one calling the shots. The draft though is run mostly by Will McClay. The Jones’ have heavily relied on McClay ever since he convinced them to draft Travis Fredrick in the 1st round even though Center is not a sexy pick. Fredrick ended up being a steal where he was drafted and until his illness was the best center in the NFL.

The Cowboys made a philosophical change around the time McClay was promoted. They typically always go with the best player available now regardless of position or need (unless it’s close). That’s why they drafted Lamb when they already had Cooper. The need was defense but Lamb was by far the best player available. Every time they have strayed away from that they failed (Taco Charlton).

I'll give you Ware, Witten, Newman, Barber, Ratliff at that is about it from him. I'm not saying you are wrong about Ware, I love Ware and actually think he is underrated, but the way I remember that is it being all Parcells and Parcells even labeled Ware the "Next Lawrence Taylor" (who Parcells also drafted) and Parcells compared Ware to Taylor frequently. For the most part anytime someone says something to the degree of "Jerry overruled him" I already know they are going on rumor and nothing concrete. To this day Jerry and Jimmy have conflicting stories on who drafted who from the 90s, both claim themselves and us fans will probably never know the real truth. The only players we know 100% were Jerry from those SB days are Larry Allen and the FA signing of Deion Sanders because Jimmy was gone.

From the Parcells days we do know that both claimed Parcells would be in charge of drafting and that was the deal they agreed on. And Parcells told the media something to the degree of "If I am going to make the meal I need to be able to shop for the groceries". Anything past that is rumor for the most part. But the reality is that drafting was probably a mix of both talking it out in a meeting room.

The whole "Stephen had to stop Jerry from drafting Manziel" was shown to be a false rumor as well. Again the reality is something we don't know but regardless we at least know that Jerry allowed Martin to be drafted because that is what happened.

Not sure where you’re getting your “facts” from but you might want to consider a new source. A quick google search or Twitter search will dispel a lot of what you’re saying.

Parcells never compared Ware to Lawrence Taylor. The fans did but certainly not Bill. As I stated before Bill wanted Marcus Spears, and then Shawn Marriman. He never wanted Ware. In fact Jerry tells a story that he made a bet with Bill on how many sacks Ware would get as a rookie. Also Ware told a story that Bill told him he would never amount to anything in the NFL. Again, Google it if you want it’s not hard to find.

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[Mr B]

After Jerry comes Stephen who is already calling a lot of the shots. Both Jerry and Stephen have been drafting lights out in recent years, so much so that we can't even fit it all under the cap. They struck gold again with Parsons and that guy is going to command a massive salary in the not too distant future.

When Jerry brought Parcells in took a back seat to drafting and let Parcells "shop for the groceries" Parcells drafted Bobby Carpenter and a handful of other flops. He was not a good drafter.

Finding a good coach seems to be an issue (although Parcells was one) but in their defense it's not like there are 100 unemployed Bill Belichicks out there looking for a job. I don't like McCarthy either but the options we had were not exciting names at all. Finding an elite coach is really hard, there just aren't many out there who are available. McCarthy at least has a SB win in his name so that is something. At minimum it proves it is possible to win a ring with the guy.

Reality is a CEO and GM can only do so much, they aren't out there on the field and their blame can only go so far. The other reality is that this game has a very high degree of "LUCK". They don't get a 7-game series like the NBA does. A muffed snap can be the difference, or a bad ref call on Brown. This is a game of inches and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce in our favor. That's just the way it is.

I have to disagree with you about something. Bill Parcels was not a terrible drafter. Also he was not in total control of the draft. Was Barbie Crapenter a bust, I doubt. But don’t forget he also drafted Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Fasano, Jason Hatcher, and Doug Free. All had fairly long successful careers.

Now having said that Parcells was overruled from time to time. The Demarcus Ware pick being one of them. Dallas had 2 picks in the 1st round that year and Parcells liked Shawn Marriman over Demarcus Ware but he also wanted to draft Marcus Spears before both of them. He wanted Spears with their first pick but Jerry listened to the scouts and they picked Ware first and was still able to get Spears with their second 1st round pick.

The same holds true today when it comes to drafting. Jerry is the GM although Stephen seems to hold more weight now days. He’s really the one calling the shots. The draft though is run mostly by Will McClay. The Jones’ have heavily relied on McClay ever since he convinced them to draft Travis Fredrick in the 1st round even though Center is not a sexy pick. Fredrick ended up being a steal where he was drafted and until his illness was the best center in the NFL.

The Cowboys made a philosophical change around the time McClay was promoted. They typically always go with the best player available now regardless of position or need (unless it’s close). That’s why they drafted Lamb when they already had Cooper. The need was defense but Lamb was by far the best player available. Every time they have strayed away from that they failed (Taco Charlton).

I'll give you Ware, Witten, Newman, Barber, Ratliff at that is about it from him. I'm not saying you are wrong about Ware, I love Ware and actually think he is underrated, but the way I remember that is it being all Parcells and Parcells even labeled Ware the "Next Lawrence Taylor" (who Parcells also drafted) and Parcells compared Ware to Taylor frequently. For the most part anytime someone says something to the degree of "Jerry overruled him" I already know they are going on rumor and nothing concrete. To this day Jerry and Jimmy have conflicting stories on who drafted who from the 90s, both claim themselves and us fans will probably never know the real truth. The only players we know 100% were Jerry from those SB days are Larry Allen and the FA signing of Deion Sanders because Jimmy was gone.

From the Parcells days we do know that both claimed Parcells would be in charge of drafting and that was the deal they agreed on. And Parcells told the media something to the degree of "If I am going to make the meal I need to be able to shop for the groceries". Anything past that is rumor for the most part. But the reality is that drafting was probably a mix of both talking it out in a meeting room.

The whole "Stephen had to stop Jerry from drafting Manziel" was shown to be a false rumor as well. Again the reality is something we don't know but regardless we at least know that Jerry allowed Martin to be drafted because that is what happened.

Also when Bill said “if I’m going to cook the dinner I should be able to buy the groceries” he was with the Patriots, not Dallas. Also it seems that you have bought into the theory that Jerry hiring Bill was all one sided and that Bill agreed to coach Dallas only if he had total control, not true. The truth is Bill NEEDED the job as much as Jerry needed him. Bill was going through a divorce and his ex-wife had just crushed him in court. He needed the money. Jerry also needed him in order to get the votes for the new stadium. Bill did not have total control. Jeff Ireland had a huge hand in the players that were drafted.

Another guy that Bill never wanted that was brought in was Tony Romo.

[Micah Prescott]

I have to disagree with you about something. Bill Parcels was not a terrible drafter. Also he was not in total control of the draft. Was Barbie Crapenter a bust, I doubt. But don’t forget he also drafted Jason Witten, Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff, Anthony Fasano, Jason Hatcher, and Doug Free. All had fairly long successful careers.

Now having said that Parcells was overruled from time to time. The Demarcus Ware pick being one of them. Dallas had 2 picks in the 1st round that year and Parcells liked Shawn Marriman over Demarcus Ware but he also wanted to draft Marcus Spears before both of them. He wanted Spears with their first pick but Jerry listened to the scouts and they picked Ware first and was still able to get Spears with their second 1st round pick.

The same holds true today when it comes to drafting. Jerry is the GM although Stephen seems to hold more weight now days. He’s really the one calling the shots. The draft though is run mostly by Will McClay. The Jones’ have heavily relied on McClay ever since he convinced them to draft Travis Fredrick in the 1st round even though Center is not a sexy pick. Fredrick ended up being a steal where he was drafted and until his illness was the best center in the NFL.

The Cowboys made a philosophical change around the time McClay was promoted. They typically always go with the best player available now regardless of position or need (unless it’s close). That’s why they drafted Lamb when they already had Cooper. The need was defense but Lamb was by far the best player available. Every time they have strayed away from that they failed (Taco Charlton).

I'll give you Ware, Witten, Newman, Barber, Ratliff at that is about it from him. I'm not saying you are wrong about Ware, I love Ware and actually think he is underrated, but the way I remember that is it being all Parcells and Parcells even labeled Ware the "Next Lawrence Taylor" (who Parcells also drafted) and Parcells compared Ware to Taylor frequently. For the most part anytime someone says something to the degree of "Jerry overruled him" I already know they are going on rumor and nothing concrete. To this day Jerry and Jimmy have conflicting stories on who drafted who from the 90s, both claim themselves and us fans will probably never know the real truth. The only players we know 100% were Jerry from those SB days are Larry Allen and the FA signing of Deion Sanders because Jimmy was gone.

From the Parcells days we do know that both claimed Parcells would be in charge of drafting and that was the deal they agreed on. And Parcells told the media something to the degree of "If I am going to make the meal I need to be able to shop for the groceries". Anything past that is rumor for the most part. But the reality is that drafting was probably a mix of both talking it out in a meeting room.

The whole "Stephen had to stop Jerry from drafting Manziel" was shown to be a false rumor as well. Again the reality is something we don't know but regardless we at least know that Jerry allowed Martin to be drafted because that is what happened.

Not sure where you’re getting your “facts” from but you might want to consider a new source. A quick google search or Twitter search will dispel a lot of what you’re saying.

Parcells never compared Ware to Lawrence Taylor. The fans did but certainly not Bill. As I stated before Bill wanted Marcus Spears, and then Shawn Marriman. He never wanted Ware. In fact Jerry tells a story that he made a bet with Bill on how many sacks Ware would get as a rookie. Also Ware told a story that Bill told him he would never amount to anything in the NFL. Again, Google it if you want it’s not hard to find.

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Not sure why you quoted "facts" I clearly said you might be right. And if you are right then Jerry is an even better drafter than I thought. Romo was Payton but Bill still got his way with Bledsoe until he just couldn't defend the guy any longer.

The way I imagine most drafting is done even as far back as Jimmy is weeks of multiple people shuffling names around on a big board. And not just ONE person declaring a pick. Which is probably why both Jimmy and Jerry feel like they drafted because they both did together. Jimmy orchestrated the Walker trade though which made it all possible.

Anyway, Dallas looking good right now vs Saints Gallup TD!

[Mr B]

I'll give you Ware, Witten, Newman, Barber, Ratliff at that is about it from him. I'm not saying you are wrong about Ware, I love Ware and actually think he is underrated, but the way I remember that is it being all Parcells and Parcells even labeled Ware the "Next Lawrence Taylor" (who Parcells also drafted) and Parcells compared Ware to Taylor frequently. For the most part anytime someone says something to the degree of "Jerry overruled him" I already know they are going on rumor and nothing concrete. To this day Jerry and Jimmy have conflicting stories on who drafted who from the 90s, both claim themselves and us fans will probably never know the real truth. The only players we know 100% were Jerry from those SB days are Larry Allen and the FA signing of Deion Sanders because Jimmy was gone.

From the Parcells days we do know that both claimed Parcells would be in charge of drafting and that was the deal they agreed on. And Parcells told the media something to the degree of "If I am going to make the meal I need to be able to shop for the groceries". Anything past that is rumor for the most part. But the reality is that drafting was probably a mix of both talking it out in a meeting room.

The whole "Stephen had to stop Jerry from drafting Manziel" was shown to be a false rumor as well. Again the reality is something we don't know but regardless we at least know that Jerry allowed Martin to be drafted because that is what happened.

Not sure where you’re getting your “facts” from but you might want to consider a new source. A quick google search or Twitter search will dispel a lot of what you’re saying.

Parcells never compared Ware to Lawrence Taylor. The fans did but certainly not Bill. As I stated before Bill wanted Marcus Spears, and then Shawn Marriman. He never wanted Ware. In fact Jerry tells a story that he made a bet with Bill on how many sacks Ware would get as a rookie. Also Ware told a story that Bill told him he would never amount to anything in the NFL. Again, Google it if you want it’s not hard to find.

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Not sure why you quoted "facts" I clearly said you might be right. And if you are right then Jerry is an even better drafter than I thought. Romo was Payton but Bill still got his way with Bledsoe until he just couldn't defend the guy any longer.

The way I imagine most drafting is done even as far back as Jimmy is weeks of multiple people shuffling names around on a big board. And not just ONE person declaring a pick. Which is probably why both Jimmy and Jerry feel like they drafted because they both did together. Jimmy orchestrated the Walker trade though which made it all possible.

Anyway, Dallas looking good right now vs Saints Gallup TD!

Yea Bill was the coach but he didn’t want Ware, or Romo. He almost cut Romo after his rookie season but they ended up going long at QB. Bill also did not want T.O. which lead to him leaving Dallas.

As far as Jerry and Jimmy, Jimmy built that team. He’s really the only guy that has ever had full control of the team. Jerry just financed the team. But since it was his money he felt he deserved most of the credit. Jimmy wanted out too though. He was already sniffing around Jacksonville. If you look at his coaching history he was never in 1 place for longer than 5 years. Jerry just gave him a reason to leave. I was surprised last year when Jerry admitted that (his words) “he f ucked it up”. I think Jerry is softening up as he’s getting older.

I think this team now needs to fix their defense before they can win big. They have some great pieces with Parsons, and Diggs but the defense still have some gaping holes. It will take at least 1 more all defensive draft for them to fix the holes.

[Micah Prescott]

I think the Parcells situation was similar to Jimmy in that he probably had a lot more control at first but as time went on Jerry got more involved until the relationship went bad. Although it seems like Jerry actually made better calls than Parcells unlike with Jimmy. Although even with Jimmy he went on to win one more ring.





And like I said earlier it's probably never as black and white as one person drafting a player. Reality in most cases is lots of people deliberating in a meeting room of weeks and shuffling names around until they all agree upon something. The way the media frames things feels like when Dallas is on the clock it's just Jerry Jones suddenly declaring "I WANT JOHNNY MANZIEL!" and that is how we draft but that isn't what's happening and it never has been, not even as far back as Jimmy.

I completely understand why Jerry gets the insane amount of hate that he gets but I definitely feel like it's overdone and he gets too much blame and rarely ever gets credit when he does something right. Jerry has done many positive things and rarely do you see a Dallas fan acknowledge those things. It's a shame too because he's brought Championships to a fan base who literally wants him to die. And I think the odds are that had someone else purchased the Cowboys we would have a less successful history than we have now.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Next to Craig Morton, Demarcus Ware, Tony Romo and Jason Witten were the most over rated players in our history. Especially D.Ware. Always thought he was the biggest piece of **** that put on a Cowboy jersey. And I know I am in the minority here.

[Micah Prescott]

D Ware is the biggest piece of s--- to ever put on a Cowboy's jersey? Come on man

We've had Ryan Leaf at QB.

[Micah Prescott]

We gave DeMarcus Lawrence $105 Mill contract and I'd be thrilled if he could just produce 1/2 of what Ware did while in Dallas.

[bluejerseyjinx]

D Ware is the biggest piece of s--- to ever put on a Cowboy's jersey? Come on man

We've had Ryan Leaf at QB.

Name one game where he made a difference in us winning division titles or playoff games? He chokes and gave us nothing in most of the big games that mattered most while he was here. He got gashed with draws and screens in all of those games and couldn't cover good receiving RB's coming out of the backfield. Of course Parcell's implemented a 3-4 defense which I never or would never agree with.

[Cactus Jack]

D Ware is the biggest piece of s--- to ever put on a Cowboy's jersey? Come on man

We've had Ryan Leaf at QB.

Ryan Leaf has actually turned his life around. Good guy.

[Mr B]

D Ware is the biggest piece of s--- to ever put on a Cowboy's jersey? Come on man

We've had Ryan Leaf at QB.

Name one game where he made a difference in us winning division titles or playoff games? He chokes and gave us nothing in most of the big games that mattered most while he was here. He got gashed with draws and screens in all of those games and couldn't cover good receiving RB's coming out of the backfield. Of course Parcell's implemented a 3-4 defense which I never or would never agree with.

Ware was a huge part of that defense in 2007 that helped them get the #1 seed. Then Romo proceeded to **** the bed.

I’ve actually met Demarcus Ware, he was a really nice guy. I’d say Deion Sanders is the biggest POS that ever played here.

[Micah Prescott]

We're talking POS like how they are off the field? Deion Sanders grew up with an alcoholic father and because of that has been sober his entire life. No arrests, nothing. Today he spends all his time coaching kids. Good guy, seriously. We've had much worse.

Ware is definitely top notch off the field.


How about Greg Hardy???

Josh Brent and Dwayne Goodrich both killed civilians while drunk driving

Sam Hurd was a big time drug dealer

Hollywood Henderson smoked crack and had sex with underage girls

[Mr B]

We're talking POS like how they are off the field? Deion Sanders grew up with an alcoholic father and because of that has been sober his entire life. No arrests, nothing. Today he spends all his time coaching kids. Good guy, seriously. We've had much worse.

Ware is definitely top notch off the field.


How about Greg Hardy???

Josh Brent and Dwayne Goodrich both killed civilians while drunk driving

Sam Hurd was a big time drug dealer

Hollywood Henderson smoked crack and had sex with underage girls

Deion also preaches that he’s holier than thou, but also cheated on his wife and takes advantage of kids with football talent. I don’t trust anyone that tries to throw Jesus in my face every chance they get, it’s ALWAYS a distraction from who they really are.

Greg Hardy is also a POS, I don’t really consider him a Cowboy though. He falls into the Aldon Smith category for me.

Josh Brent has a mental illness. He had a very public freak out at a Wendy’s right here by where I live. It was pretty sad actually. I didn’t even realize it was him, he looked homeless. The person he killed in that car wreck was also a very close friend of his.

I stand corrected on Goodrich and Henderson though. Both are definitely bigger POS than Deion. I’d like to add Raphael Septien too.

[Micah Prescott]

I can understand why some people dislike the Deion persona, the "look at me me me!" attitude he brought to the NFL high stepping with his do-rag. Traditional fans hate it and I get it. But even from that aspect Terrell Owens was worse. Hell T.O. was probably the epitome of that. Michael Irvin had some of that in him as well although less than T.O.

Amari Cooper and Dak are both so reserved and laid back and I do like that about them. Lamb and Zeke are a bit in between, they both definitely have a touch of that 'look at me' persona but nothing on Terrell Owens level.

[Mr B]

I can understand why some people dislike the Deion persona, the "look at me me me!" attitude he brought to the NFL high stepping with his do-rag. Traditional fans hate it and I get it. But even from that aspect Terrell Owens was worse. Hell T.O. was probably the epitome of that. Michael Irvin had some of that in him as well although less than T.O.

Amari Cooper and Dak are both so reserved and laid back and I do like that about them. Lamb and Zeke are a bit in between, they both definitely have a touch of that 'look at me' persona but nothing on Terrell Owens level.

Honestly it’s not the me, me, me attitude because as you said Irvin had a lot of that in him too. The difference with Irvin was that he ultimately he was a team guy first.

What bothers me about Deion is the hypocrisy. Don’t preach the word of God to me and tell me how I’m a sinner when your banging several women that are not your wife. Also don’t preach about helping kids when your ultimate goal to get a piece of their check once they make it. Or don’t preach about helping kids when the second you realize they’re not good enough for the NFL you dump them.

As for TO, I still wouldn’t call him a POS. He’s a **** teammate but not a POS. Also you can’t knock TO for anything he ever did on the field. He played in Dallas like 3 seasons and averaged close to 1,500 yards and 15 TD’s each year he was here. Terrible teammate, great player.

[bluejerseyjinx]

You're a fair weather fan, worst type of fan. Worse teams than this one have gotten hot come playoff time, just ask Giants fans.

If we do happen to go deep in the post season this year I'll be here to remind you that you think this team sucks.

You came to this conclusion in one year. Wow. You don't even **** know me. I've been a die-hard Cowboy fan since 1970 and if you ever saw my blue room you would never have made such a childish, stupid, idiotic bone head statement. Just because I bash my Cowboys from time to time does not give you the right to call me a fair weather fan. To me the worse Cowboy fans are the ones born in the 90's that can't see what is in front of their own eyes and have absolutely no idea what it really takes to win a Super bowl or NFL Championship. I witnessed a 20 year stretch from 1966 to 1985 that has only been match by the Patriots of recent years. If you think you are ever gonna see another Cowboy super Bowl with Jerry as owner and Gm, your nuts. Jerry will once again put his foot print on ruining this season before it ends, trust me. he's not Clint Murchinson and Mike McCarthy is sure no **** Tom Landry.

I've seen all I need to see, your type is common you guys make up probably 50% of our fan base. Almost always negative, ALWAYS complaining about Jerry Jones as the bane of everything bad. In this post you have already declared that Dallas will NEVER win a SB with him as GM. Meanwhile in reality land Dallas is a lock to win the NFCE and who knows what will happen in the post season. Maybe 1 and out or maybe something much better. You've already decided 1 and out though.

The ENTIRE PURPOSE of this is for your entertainment. And if you are pulling your hair out year after year over Jerry Jones then you have bypassed that purpose. It's to have fun, enjoy yourself, which usually requires staying positive through the good and bad. The players themselves have to stay positive even after bad losses. Imagine if Dak had your attitude of "We'll never win s@#t we suck!".

Jerry has always been a controversial topic since day 1 of him buying the team. He fired Landry and was hated for that. Went on to win 3 rings. Most NFL owners will never have a history like that. There are NFL owners in this league that don't care about their team at all. There are owners who don't know who their own players are and this is nothing more than an investment for them. Jerry has had some bad moments but I wouldn't trade him Dan Snyder or really the majority of other NFL owners. Had he never purchased the Cowboys we would likely have less rings in our trophy room. Cup is half full is what I'm saying.

You can stick up all you want for Jerry but facts are facts. Jimmy had everything to do with the 90's team and putting it all together. If it wasn't for Jimmy, Jerry would have nothing. That team was so loaded it should have won more super bowls if it wasn't for injuries and Jerry interfering and putting his stamp on things. Signing Dionne Sanders was the beginning of the end. After **** up Jimmy's team he felt the need to promote himself GM in 2002 and his first pick was Quincy Carter. Then just a few years later he traded away 3 first round draft picks for Roy Williams. I mean I could go on here but just those two moves alone set this team back 5 years.