The MeloPause Trade Thread

F N 11 · Post #501 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:34 pm

mpharris36 wrote:The thing for HOU is they have to trade for him. Since we aren't buying him out. If he excercises his ETO option next year the rockets will basically only have the MLE to offer him. No way is he taking 6 or 7 million to play next year...

HOU has to trade for him or he won't ever be a rocket.

RightToCensor · Post #502 » by **RightToCensor** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/40M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Post #503 » by **GONYK** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:41 pm

RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/80M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Why not just do that now then?

MadGrinch · Post #504 » by **MadGrinch** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:42 pm

i think the end result is bledsoe or seth curry

they are smart for taking a break and letting one of the best GM's (morey ) figure something out

the knicks dont need anderson nor gordon , they need a point guard who can run hornacek's offense so they can ease frank in

the suns and the mavs have extra point guards , so basically let Morey figure out how to satisfy the knicks needs

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #505 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:43 pm

GONYK wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/80M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Why not just do that now then?

They basically lose one year of playing together with CP3 and Harden.

Post #506 » by **dakomish23** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:44 pm

Knight has been really bad since he went to PHX

Yet he would STILL be the best PG this franchise has had in a decade :rofl2:

If you somehow can get him back to MIL Knight, it could be a decent pairing next to Frank. He can run the point, but he's better as a secondary ball handler.

The problem is he looks for his own shot more than to create for others. We just had someone like that here and it was dumpster fire. At least he can shoot (in theory).

His numbers in MIL the season he got traded

17.8 PPG 4.3 RPG 5.4 APG 1.6 SPG
44% FG 41% 3PT 88% FT

Let him and THJ gun off the bench. We still need a better starter next to Frank. Should of been Mitchell!

Post #507 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:46 pm

MadGrinch wrote:i think the end result is bledsoe or seth curry

they are smart for taking a break and letting one of the best GM's (morey ) figure something out

the knicks dont need anderson nor gordon , they need a point guard who can run hornacek's offense so they can ease frank in

the suns and the mavs have extra point guards , so basically let Morey figure out how to satisfy the knicks needs

seth curry is NEGATIVE defense, and while a combo guard technically, he's really a 2. had a heck of a season in dallas this past year.

seren · Post #508 » by **seren** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:46 pm

RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/40M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Please proceed with that plan today. We are more than happy to trade Melo for a trade exception right now. Heck we will take on Gordon so you don't have to look elsewhere.

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RightToCensor · Post #509 » by **RightToCensor** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:48 pm

GONYK wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/40M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Why not just do that now then?

We still need a starting PF for the year.

Tron Carter · Post #510 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:49 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Knight has been really bad since he went to PHX

Yet he would STILL be the best PG this franchise has had in a decade

If you somehow can get him back to MIL Knight, it could be a decent pairing next to Frank. He can run the point, but he's better as a secondary ball handler.

The problem is he looks for his own shot more than to create for others. We just had someone like that here and it was dumpster fire. At least he can shoot (in theory).

His numbers in MIL the season he got traded

17.8 PPG 4.3 RPG 5.4 APG 1.6 SPG
44% FG 41% 3PT 88% FT

Let him and THJ gun off the bench. We still need a better starter next to Frank. Should of been Mitchell!

stop trying to make brandon knight happen

whocares1 · Post #511 » by **whocares1** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:49 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Knight has been really bad since he went to PHX

Yet he would STILL be the best PG this franchise has had in a decade

If you somehow can get him back to MIL Knight, it could be a decent pairing next to Frank. He can run the point, but he's better as a secondary ball handler.

The problem is he looks for his own shot more than to create for others. We just had someone like that here and it was dumpster fire. At least he can shoot (in theory).

His numbers in MIL the season he got traded

17.8 PPG 4.3 RPG 5.4 APG 1.6 SPG
44% FG 41% 3PT 88% FT

Let him and THJ gun off the bench. We still need a better starter next to Frank. Should of been Mitchell!

Why in the world would the Knicks give THJ 71 million to start on the bench of a lottery team? How would that make sense?

Post #512 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:50 pm

RightToCensor wrote:
GONYK wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/40M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

Why not just do that now then?

We still need a starting PF for the year.

um melo?

thebuzzardman · Post #513 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:51 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:It never did make sense for Portland.

These trade rumors were like a pyramid scheme where each team would ship a bad contract to another team, who would ship a bad contract to another team, etc...except no team wants to be the last one unless they are getting picks which weren't there

Morey Madhoff!

Tron Carter · Post #514 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:52 pm

dude how did anderson get that contract man.. 20+ mill the next 3 years my god

F N 11 · Post #515 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:53 pm

Paul did a sign and trade so he wont screw the Clippers royally. Those same chips could of been used for Melo? wow

Post #516 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:54 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
RightToCensor wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Why not just do that now then?

We still need a starting PF for the year.

um melo?

they're talking about the trade happening next offseason. so ryan anderson would have to be the starting PF this season, which is not what they want, understandably.

i say give us the brooklyn deal. 2 unprotected firsts and a pick swap that starts in... 2021.

Post #517 » by **NoLayupRule** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:54 pm

RightToCensor wrote:Does that include a scenario where the Rockets could dump the remaining 2yr/40M of Ryan Anderson's contract with two protected firsts and easily find a new home for Eric Gordon. I can almost expect Morey to do that next summer to be in the conversation for the Banana Boat.

If next year he can move Anderson and it costs him 2 picks and he can easily find a home for Gordon with no salary returning then why can't he find anything close to that now?

Doesn't make sense.

We will, or someone else will, take Anderson for two picks
Gordon isn't the sticking point

Clearly the issue is a young player of value and either cap neutrality or picks to us. Morey is either unable or unwilling to provide all this to us. It's not a timing thing

F N 11 · Post #518 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:55 pm

"It's a weapons race in the NBA and you're either in the weapons race or on the sidelines," Houston general manager Daryl Morey said. "We felt like with James Harden in his prime and Chris Paul in his prime this gives us a real shot to chase the juggernaut teams that are out there. This puts us right there with them."

He will fold

Ih8duke · Post #519 » by **Ih8duke** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:56 pm

I love that we are pushing back.

I have no interest in taking back any negative contracts for Melo.

Short Contacts, Youth, and expirings. Otherwise keep him til the trade deadline, let him opt out at the end of the year, or have him expand to more teams.

If it came down to wasting a year with us or going to OKC, what would Melo do?
Westbrook, George, Melo, and Adams could be legit. We get back Kanter, Ferguson, a pick and other decent contracts.

Thats just one example, Im sure there are several others, Wizards, Clippers, Toronto, and others who would offer a better package and if it comes down to it, Melo might rather go to then spend another year here.

He holds a lot of the cards, but not all of them.

thebuzzardman · Post #520 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:56 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
levendis wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Said this for months and I'll keep saying it

Phil Jackson destroyed the majority of Melos value which is why teams are offering trash for him

Good thing mills has a brain.

Him giving out a NTC and Melos declining play destroyed Melos value. Just stop man

Should I post this again for the 100000th time for the anti Melo Club?

NBA execs reportedly say Phil Jackson is destroying Carmelo Anthony's trade value

Though anonymously, NBA executives said as much to the New York Daily News on Sunday:
"Phil made a statement basically that Carmelo's a losing type of player. Well, if he's a loser for the Knicks, he's going to be a winner someplace else? That obviously didn't help," one Eastern Conference executive said.

"Tremendously," another exec said when asked how much Jackson may have damaged Anthony's trade value. "He essentially said, 'I want to dump this guy.' "

As one Eastern Conference front office member noted, teams are just not willing to give up major pieces after all the talking Jackson has done.
"Most owners would just roast you if you said something like that," the Eastern exec said, theorizing the return for Anthony could be "a protected first-round pick. It sure sounds like the Knicks want to get rid of him, so teams won't give up any of their core to add him. That would be defeating the purpose."

Facts ON Facts

Go leave with phil jackson.

Two of those entries basically state "Jackson reduced his value by making it so obvious he wants to trade Melo". The other was some BS floated by someone that Jackson suddenly reminded or put the thought in people's heads that "Melo wasn't a winner", as if other GM's don't have minds and scouts of their own to assess what Melo can, or can't, offer their team.

Once Phil was shown the door, Melo's value should return to whatever it was, and honestly, it's mostly the NTC clause that limits his value because it reduces the destinations greatly.

Seems like you are both partially correct.

Honestly, I like the whole exercise if it was nothing to remind the league that Melo is still worth something and oh, Jackson's not here anymore, so you have to give that value if want him.