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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#501 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:32 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Frank was a French boy drafted into the NBA

He needed to grow up more than some other 18 year olds do

Not everybody gets to man up on our schedules

Frank will probably always be a system player. You put him in the right system and he'll produce. Will that happen here? The odds are low at this point in time

Flipside is he may be forced to be more selfish to survive which may be necessary to have an NBA career.

He's old enough now to either find his niche on the Knicks or go somewhere else he fits in better, but if his talents are not utilized here they will be by another NBA team


Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D
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Post#502 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:38 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Frank was a French boy drafted into the NBA

He needed to grow up more than some other 18 year olds do

Not everybody gets to man up on our schedules

Frank will probably always be a system player. You put him in the right system and he'll produce. Will that happen here? The odds are low at this point in time

Flipside is he may be forced to be more selfish to survive which may be necessary to have an NBA career.

He's old enough now to either find his niche on the Knicks or go somewhere else he fits in better, but if his talents are not utilized here they will be by another NBA team


Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D


he's gonna end up back in europe if he doesn't learn to shoot more
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#503 » by remi_222 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:39 pm

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I don’t think it’s only mental Frank has a hard time with some of the physical and athletic aspects of nba game as well. Wing or shooting guard is a easier transition for him though. NBA Point guard is a massive hill.


You want a guy who has issues scoring to become a shooting guard? Alrighty then!

Andre Roberson?


Andre Robertson isnt shy when its abt shooting, that's the biggest difference with Frank, but it can be a good comparaison
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#504 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:39 pm

god shammgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
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Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D


he's gonna end up back in europe if he doesn't learn to shoot more


With KP and Donic taking 60 shots a game (well, those games KP isn't out with Anemia or ACL tears), he won't have to shoot that much.
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Post#505 » by taj2133 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:41 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Frank was a French boy drafted into the NBA

He needed to grow up more than some other 18 year olds do

Not everybody gets to man up on our schedules

Frank will probably always be a system player. You put him in the right system and he'll produce. Will that happen here? The odds are low at this point in time

Flipside is he may be forced to be more selfish to survive which may be necessary to have an NBA career.

He's old enough now to either find his niche on the Knicks or go somewhere else he fits in better, but if his talents are not utilized here they will be by another NBA team


Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D

I think frank ends up with the piston,magic, or bulls that my prediction. Carlisle would have asked for frank in the kp trade but he didn't.
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Re: The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread 

Post#506 » by Bob8 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Frank was a French boy drafted into the NBA

He needed to grow up more than some other 18 year olds do

Not everybody gets to man up on our schedules

Frank will probably always be a system player. You put him in the right system and he'll produce. Will that happen here? The odds are low at this point in time

Flipside is he may be forced to be more selfish to survive which may be necessary to have an NBA career.

He's old enough now to either find his niche on the Knicks or go somewhere else he fits in better, but if his talents are not utilized here they will be by another NBA team


Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D


They don’t need him anymore, Delon Wright is better than Ntilikina in everything.
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Post#507 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm

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I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D


he's gonna end up back in europe if he doesn't learn to shoot more


With KP and Donic taking 60 shots a game (well, those games KP isn't out with Anemia or ACL tears), he won't have to shoot that much.


he will because they'll just double off him. it's not like he's a cutter either. and no matter what else anyone wants to say about anything else, 33 percent from the field and 28 percent from 3 aint gonna cut it in the nba. and that's sightly worse from year 1. he didn't get any better. that's not about who's coaching him.

i feel like everyone complicates this issue. "we're not using him right, he is a point guard, he isn't one" and so on. those are all secondary issues. he just can't score on a nba level. that's it. there are guys who people think of having trouble scoring with much better numbers than him. his are ridiculously bad. so until he can he won't play much.
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Post#508 » by taj2133 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:45 pm

remi_222 wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
You want a guy who has issues scoring to become a shooting guard? Alrighty then!

Andre Roberson?


Andre Robertson isnt shy when its abt shooting, that's the biggest difference with Frank, but it can be a good comparaison

Not for the number 8 pick that not good comparison and adre roberson doesn't take a lot of shots.
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Post#509 » by iLLmatic860 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:53 pm

Are the official Fiba tounament france games gonna be on epsn or youtube or even twitch?
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Post#510 » by taj2133 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:55 pm

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Are the official Fiba tounament france games gonna be on epsn or youtube or even twitch?

I think espn plus but i think it going be way early in the mourning starts like 3 am start time in the usa.
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Post#511 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:08 pm

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he's gonna end up back in europe if he doesn't learn to shoot more


With KP and Donic taking 60 shots a game (well, those games KP isn't out with Anemia or ACL tears), he won't have to shoot that much.


he will because they'll just double off him. it's not like he's a cutter either. and no matter what else anyone wants to say about anything else, 33 percent from the field and 28 percent from 3 aint gonna cut it in the nba. and that's sightly worse from year 1. he didn't get any better. that's not about who's coaching him.

i feel like everyone complicates this issue. "we're not using him right, he is a point guard, he isn't one" and so on. those are all secondary issues. he just can't score on a nba level. that's it. there are guys who people think of having trouble scoring with much better numbers than him. his are ridiculously bad. so until he can he won't play much.


Every analysis of Frank starts with the sentence "he has to shoot better" so I figure it's a given in any take. "He'll get picked up by X or play more, or more at "X" if he starts to shoot better."

We better start to get that argument ready for RJ. At least he like to shoot it, a lot. He'll have to to do that a LOT better than 40% to justify being drafted #3.
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Post#512 » by Maury2423 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm

taj2133 wrote:
DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Are the official Fiba tounament france games gonna be on epsn or youtube or even twitch?

I think espn plus but i think it going be way early in the mourning starts like 3 am start time in the usa.



I know at least the first 3 French games are at 830a
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Post#513 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:18 pm

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With KP and Donic taking 60 shots a game (well, those games KP isn't out with Anemia or ACL tears), he won't have to shoot that much.


he will because they'll just double off him. it's not like he's a cutter either. and no matter what else anyone wants to say about anything else, 33 percent from the field and 28 percent from 3 aint gonna cut it in the nba. and that's sightly worse from year 1. he didn't get any better. that's not about who's coaching him.

i feel like everyone complicates this issue. "we're not using him right, he is a point guard, he isn't one" and so on. those are all secondary issues. he just can't score on a nba level. that's it. there are guys who people think of having trouble scoring with much better numbers than him. his are ridiculously bad. so until he can he won't play much.


Every analysis of Frank starts with the sentence "he has to shoot better" so I figure it's a given in any take. "He'll get picked up by X or play more, or more at "X" if he starts to shoot better."

We better start to get that argument ready for RJ. At least he like to shoot it, a lot. He'll have to to do that a LOT better than 40% to justify being drafted #3.


40 percent in year 1 is not a big deal. that's so much better than frank. donovan mitchell has been shooting 43 percent for 2 years and is the best player in frank's draft.
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Post#514 » by ChaosHamster » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:22 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Frank was a French boy drafted into the NBA

He needed to grow up more than some other 18 year olds do

Not everybody gets to man up on our schedules

Frank will probably always be a system player. You put him in the right system and he'll produce. Will that happen here? The odds are low at this point in time

Flipside is he may be forced to be more selfish to survive which may be necessary to have an NBA career.

He's old enough now to either find his niche on the Knicks or go somewhere else he fits in better, but if his talents are not utilized here they will be by another NBA team


Watch Pop or Carlisle get his hands on Frank. :noway:


I've already told you, he's going to wind up with Carlisle, KP and Donic. :D


I'am pretty sure Dallas could've gotten Frank in that KP deal if they really wanted to - they didn't.
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Post#515 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:25 pm

RO = rebonds offensifs = offensive rebounds; RD = rebonds défensifs = defensive rebounds; RT = rebonds total = total rebounds; PD = passes décisives = assists; IN = interceptions = steals; BP = pertes de balle = turnovers (??); CO = contres = blocks; EVAL = L’évaluation = EFF = Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks - Shots missed - FT missed - Turnovers

Got there in the end. Quite why one looks at that EFF/EVAL stat I'm not sure.
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Post#516 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:27 pm

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he will because they'll just double off him. it's not like he's a cutter either. and no matter what else anyone wants to say about anything else, 33 percent from the field and 28 percent from 3 aint gonna cut it in the nba. and that's sightly worse from year 1. he didn't get any better. that's not about who's coaching him.

i feel like everyone complicates this issue. "we're not using him right, he is a point guard, he isn't one" and so on. those are all secondary issues. he just can't score on a nba level. that's it. there are guys who people think of having trouble scoring with much better numbers than him. his are ridiculously bad. so until he can he won't play much.


Every analysis of Frank starts with the sentence "he has to shoot better" so I figure it's a given in any take. "He'll get picked up by X or play more, or more at "X" if he starts to shoot better."

We better start to get that argument ready for RJ. At least he like to shoot it, a lot. He'll have to to do that a LOT better than 40% to justify being drafted #3.


40 percent in year 1 is not a big deal. that's so much better than frank. donvon mitchell has been shooting 43 percent for 2 years and is the best player in frank's draft.


I think it'd be an issue for a # 3 pick to be shooting 40% after year 2.
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Post#517 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:39 pm

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Every analysis of Frank starts with the sentence "he has to shoot better" so I figure it's a given in any take. "He'll get picked up by X or play more, or more at "X" if he starts to shoot better."

We better start to get that argument ready for RJ. At least he like to shoot it, a lot. He'll have to to do that a LOT better than 40% to justify being drafted #3.


40 percent in year 1 is not a big deal. that's so much better than frank. donvon mitchell has been shooting 43 percent for 2 years and is the best player in frank's draft.


I think it'd be an issue for a # 3 pick to be shooting 40% after year 2.


you would hope he would show improvement after year 1. it's his 3 point shooting numbers that will drag down his percentage early. once he gets that going he'll be fine.
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Post#518 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:56 pm

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40 percent in year 1 is not a big deal. that's so much better than frank. donvon mitchell has been shooting 43 percent for 2 years and is the best player in frank's draft.


I think it'd be an issue for a # 3 pick to be shooting 40% after year 2.


you would hope he would show improvement after year 1. it's his 3 point shooting numbers that will drag down his percentage early. once he gets that going he'll be fine.


IF he gets that going. No guarantees. We hope. It might not happen. In fact, since he's a Knick, it probably won't happen. Just because.
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Post#519 » by Fat » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:34 pm

Has frank dropped a 20 piece yet in any of these games? if not trade him immediately.
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Post#520 » by ChaosHamster » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:38 pm

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Has frank dropped a 20 piece yet in any of these games? if not trade him immediately.


Has Mitchell, Kemba or Tatum dropped 20 in any of Exibition games? How about Giannis or Jokic? :D I don't think so..

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