2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[Zenzibar]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Given that I'm a big Frank supporter, I'd be curious to know what is the rank by the youngest in that defensive rating list.

Also it's funny that James "Big D" Harden is ranked at a guady 43, slightly ahead of Kristaps Porzingis who is ranked 55 in defensive win/shares. Would that be accurate in your opinion?

[thebuzzardman]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Or it's probably pretty likely that his defensive stats get skewed when he plays with less than stellar defensive players, like a lot of these vague and not really accurate stats do.

And that's not to say "He's 100% lockdown". It's just obvious he's a very good defender. Better than "middling".

[thebuzzardman]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Given that I'm a big Frank supporter, I'd be curious to know what is the rank by the youngest in that defensive rating list.

Also it's funny that James "Big D" Harden is ranked at a guady 43, slightly ahead of Kristaps Porzingis who is ranked 55 in defensive win/shares. Would that be accurate in your opinion?

Absolutely. Everyone knows that James Harden is one of the most committed, tenacious defenders in the NBA.

[mpharris36]

On Frank Ntilikina being a defensive wiz...

Out of the 205 players in the NBA that has played more than 40 games this season and who averaged more than 20 minutes a game Frank Ntilkina currently ranks 95 in terms of Defensive Rating (Giannis is no.1), 148 in terms of Defensive Win Shares Per Game (Giannis also is no.1 here) and 23 in steal percentage (Dejuante Murray is no.1). Other than steal percentage, I'm not sure that the notion that Frank Ntilikina is an elite defensive player is necessarily true. He may be one of the best defenders on the Knicks (he's tops on the Knicks in Defensive Rating and 4th in Defensive Win Shares per game) but I think we may be looking at this through some sort of jaded lenses here. Bit of that reverse grass is greener perspective here maybe? Guys trying to talk themselves into something more than it is?

Given that I'm a big Frank supporter, I'd be curious to know what is the rank by the youngest in that defensive rating list.

Also it's funny that James "Big D" Harden is ranked at a guady 43, slightly ahead of Kristaps Porzingis who is ranked 55 in defensive win/shares. Would that be accurate in your opinion?

Absolutely. Everyone knows that James Harden is one of the most committed, tenacious defenders in the NBA.

considering Kevin Knox has a higher defensive rating that Frank and Mitch I wouldn't use that specific stat to decide the best defensive players.

Also Julius Randle leades us in Defensive Win Shares so....

I think the entire Milwaukee Bucks lineup is in the top 10-15 in the entire league including Brook Lopez.

[3toheadmelo]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

[islanders11040]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

isn't bagley just julius randle with more "potential"?

[3toheadmelo]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

isn't bagley just julius randle with more "potential"?

Not really

[mpharris36]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

It's been reported we want a forward that can shoot

[mpharris36]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

isn't bagley just julius randle with more "potential"?

considering he will be already going into his 3rd year of his rookie contract and has been somewhat underwhelming to what his expectations were. I think our current pick has more value than Bagley especially when you consider the contract and salary dynamics.

[RHODEY]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

It's been reported we want a forward that can shoot

Then why not just draft this beast in the making with our 27th pick?

Watch on YouTube

[3toheadmelo]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

It's been reported we want a forward that can shoot

Ian begley reported it. The same guy who hasn’t reported anything accurately since he left ESPN cause Woj was his source

[3toheadmelo]

Bagley’s dad and Fox beefing. Fox now unfollowed Bagley on IG. Trade the pick for Bagley

isn't bagley just julius randle with more "potential"?

considering he will be already going into his 3rd year of his rookie contract and has been somewhat underwhelming to what his expectations were. I think our current pick has more value than Bagley especially when you consider the contract and salary dynamics.

He’s been injured the majority of this season. He looked pretty promising his rookie year. Nobody in our range has star potential like him. I would take the shot at him if he’s available. A young bouncy big with a high motor that has the athleticism of a wing.. sign me up.

[3toheadmelo]

He was considered to be the best prospect to come out of high school since AD... broke hella records at Duke.. had a real promising rookie year. I would love to have a guy like that here but that’s just me

[mpharris36]

isn't bagley just julius randle with more "potential"?

considering he will be already going into his 3rd year of his rookie contract and has been somewhat underwhelming to what his expectations were. I think our current pick has more value than Bagley especially when you consider the contract and salary dynamics.

He’s been injured the majority of this season. He looked pretty promising his rookie year. Nobody in our range has star potential like him. I would take the shot at him if he’s available. A young bouncy big with a high motor that has the athleticism of a wing.. sign me up.

that sounds like okongwu and I would have him on a rookie year for longer.

Lets say even if begley gets better. The following year he would be looking for a huge deal (maybe even max if he preforms well).

We already have a PF that can't shoot that puts up good numbers. Why the interest in a second one?

[3toheadmelo]

considering he will be already going into his 3rd year of his rookie contract and has been somewhat underwhelming to what his expectations were. I think our current pick has more value than Bagley especially when you consider the contract and salary dynamics.

He’s been injured the majority of this season. He looked pretty promising his rookie year. Nobody in our range has star potential like him. I would take the shot at him if he’s available. A young bouncy big with a high motor that has the athleticism of a wing.. sign me up.

that sounds like okongwu and I would have him on a rookie year for longer.

Lets say even if begley gets better. The following year he would be looking for a huge deal (maybe even max if he preforms well).

We already have a PF that can't shoot that puts up good numbers. Why the interest in a second one?

Nah Onyeka doesn’t have his bounce. He’s more like Tristan Thompson.

Bagley got more potential than Randle and is younger than him.

[mpharris36]

He’s been injured the majority of this season. He looked pretty promising his rookie year. Nobody in our range has star potential like him. I would take the shot at him if he’s available. A young bouncy big with a high motor that has the athleticism of a wing.. sign me up.

that sounds like okongwu and I would have him on a rookie year for longer.

Lets say even if begley gets better. The following year he would be looking for a huge deal (maybe even max if he preforms well).

We already have a PF that can't shoot that puts up good numbers. Why the interest in a second one?

Nah Onyeka doesn’t have his bounce. He’s more like Tristan Thompson.

Bagley got more potential than Randle and is younger than him.

tristen thompson doesn't protect the rim like OO or guard in space and he isn't a lob threat. They basically just both rebound well (that is what they have in common)

Bagley does have more potential than Randle, hands down. However that still doesn't solve the issue that you will have to pay bagley.

I would rather invest in our own rookie and have 4 years to decide if he's good.

Not one year.

[HEZI]

Bagley has some of the worst basketball awareness out there. Dude is still only getting by on his athletic ability but he's not a very smart player. He often looks lost and I mean completely lost on defensive rotations and he's not really polished offensively. I liked him at Duke but can't really say I've been impressed with him on the Kings. He's still young enough to improve on those things though but so far he's been meh

[3toheadmelo]

that sounds like okongwu and I would have him on a rookie year for longer.

Lets say even if begley gets better. The following year he would be looking for a huge deal (maybe even max if he preforms well).

We already have a PF that can't shoot that puts up good numbers. Why the interest in a second one?

Nah Onyeka doesn’t have his bounce. He’s more like Tristan Thompson.

Bagley got more potential than Randle and is younger than him.

tristen thompson doesn't protect the rim like OO or guard in space and he isn't a lob threat. They basically just both rebound well (that is what they have in common)

Bagley does have more potential than Randle, hands down. However that still doesn't solve the issue that you will have to pay bagley.

I would rather invest in our own rookie and have 4 years to decide if he's good.

Not one year.

Nah I rather not invest in a rookie that has 0 star potential and would take a shot at Bagley. Tristan Thompson vibes from Onyeka.

[mpharris36]

Nah Onyeka doesn’t have his bounce. He’s more like Tristan Thompson.

Bagley got more potential than Randle and is younger than him.

tristen thompson doesn't protect the rim like OO or guard in space and he isn't a lob threat. They basically just both rebound well (that is what they have in common)

Bagley does have more potential than Randle, hands down. However that still doesn't solve the issue that you will have to pay bagley.

I would rather invest in our own rookie and have 4 years to decide if he's good.

Not one year.

Nah I rather not invest in a rookie that has 0 star potential and would take a shot at Bagley. Tristan Thompson vibes from Onyeka.

For the knicks I would personally rather have one of the guards in the draft that can help the team then another forward that doesn't shoot it well and requires a good PG to get him his shots.

[HEZI]

Obi is better than both Bagley and OO

Don't @ me