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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#501 » by fishfuego. » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:10 am

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4 games out of 82 that he had 30 plus points. that doesnt sound to me like a top 5 scoring player to me


*injuries does matter, with that said.....the sample is too small still


What point is this lol? Is that list the top player under 25 or the top scorers under 25. Come on now.

Fking ridiculous IMO.
If I was drafting any one of those players today, only Luka and Ja would be ahead of Bam. Believe it or not to me Tatum is a bit worse than Herro offensively and a bit better defensively which it is not saying much, and what good is Zion always injured. Bam is Worlds better defensively than most of them if not all of them.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#502 » by al bondiga » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:17 am

Well now... I can say with confidence that beating the Nets, given what they have just shown tonight, would be an almost impossible task, if they have Kyrie and kd
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#503 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:28 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:Anything short of an ECF appearance would be a massive failure. The three toughest teams will all have to duke it out on the other half of the bracket.
Anything short of a finals appearance is a failure.

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#504 » by DayofMourning » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:36 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:Anything short of an ECF appearance would be a massive failure. The three toughest teams will all have to duke it out on the other half of the bracket.
Anything short of a finals appearance is a failure.

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#505 » by fishfuego. » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:42 am

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twix2500 wrote:Anything short of a finals appearance is a failure.

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Post#506 » by SerialChiller » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:50 am

al bondiga wrote:Well now... I can say with confidence that beating the Nets, given what they have just shown tonight, would be an almost impossible task, if they have Kyrie and kd


I don't know....it took both Durant and Irving playing amazing for over 40 minutes each and a big game from Brown to beat the Cavs at home.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#507 » by 3ballbomber » Wed Apr 13, 2022 6:39 am

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This is where im at with it. Sick of fans and local media whining about the lack of respect, lets go out and take it. Give them no other choice.

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#508 » by Hallstar » Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:57 am

al bondiga wrote:Well now... I can say with confidence that beating the Nets, given what they have just shown tonight, would be an almost impossible task, if they have Kyrie and kd

Not true at all. The Nets defense is food. They had near perfect games from KD and Kyrie and the CAvs never felt out of it. I expect Boston to clean them up in 6. I give them 2 games out of respect for some expected mega nights offensively.
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Post#510 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:47 pm

Thinking our best matchups for first round series I'd put the 3 teams in this order :

1) Hornets. With Haywood out and their awful defense, that's probably the easiest match up for us. L.Ball seem to struggle against us, and their lack of a true defensive rim protector allows Bam and Jimmy to feast.

2) Hawks. T.Young is an headache, but they lack a second star and I think we could contain him and make the others try to beat us. Their defense is also lacking and out offense should flow well enough.

3) Cavs. Especially if they J.Allem back. I think their size can bother us, Garland is playing like a stud, and they a nice combo of vets like Love and Rondo and fresh legs to give us trouble with a good defense and just enough inside scoring and 3's.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#511 » by heatwillbeback » Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:23 pm

I was rooting for the Nets yesterday but I do think we should have handled them as well.

The reason I was rooting for them is I like the under the radar aspect of not facing them. It’s round 1. I don’t want a heavily criticized series nationally.

Let the Celtics handle the ruckus and have us just do our jobs on the court.
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Post#512 » by oreon » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:11 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:I'd actually rank Bam over Trae. I don't see the overall impact being greater for Trae. I know we are an offense first league, but Trae is a turnstile.


Strongly disagree. Trae is an elite shot creator and shot maker. He's literally the center piece of the Hawks offense. In a team where he's the only allstar level player. Bam has never had that responsibility of running the entire offense. Sure he's a defensive liability but because of his offensive output he's a far better player than Bam and its not close. I would trade Bam + picks for Trae, I would trade anyone on this roster + picks and not even blink. Players who can carry an offense for entire season are usually the top 10 players in the league. You just build a team around him that can cover his defensive weakness.


Besides his obvious offensive gifts and the counting stats to back it up, how do we objectively support his "impact" on winning games? Win shares? Playoff wins? He's got plenty of talent on that team.


He got a team to the conference finals. And took Bucks to 6 games. Had he not got hurt we thought the Hawks had a decent chance to upset. This is with a team that doesn't have a 2nd allstar player. Its well rounded and deep but there isn't a 2nd guy who is an allstar level talent.
Just because he had a down year this season doesn't erase what he did last year. I like Bam but he's not in the same tier as Trae Young
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#513 » by eddieheatfan » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:51 pm

heatwillbeback wrote:I was rooting for the Nets yesterday but I do think we should have handled them as well.

The reason I was rooting for them is I like the under the radar aspect of not facing them. It’s round 1. I don’t want a heavily criticized series nationally.

Let the Celtics handle the ruckus and have us just do our jobs on the court.




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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#514 » by marson » Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:55 pm

We beat the Nets in 6 or 7, I think. KD and Kyrie are too good not to win a couple of games. Too much noise and pressure from the media if they match up with us, and let's watch if Boston can handle that. Hopefully, we will replicate our bubble performance when we ramp up slowly into the ECF.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#515 » by fishfuego. » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:02 pm

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Strongly disagree. Trae is an elite shot creator and shot maker. He's literally the center piece of the Hawks offense. In a team where he's the only allstar level player. Bam has never had that responsibility of running the entire offense. Sure he's a defensive liability but because of his offensive output he's a far better player than Bam and its not close. I would trade Bam + picks for Trae, I would trade anyone on this roster + picks and not even blink. Players who can carry an offense for entire season are usually the top 10 players in the league. You just build a team around him that can cover his defensive weakness.


Besides his obvious offensive gifts and the counting stats to back it up, how do we objectively support his "impact" on winning games? Win shares? Playoff wins? He's got plenty of talent on that team.


He got a team to the conference finals. And took Bucks to 6 games. Had he not got hurt we thought the Hawks had a decent chance to upset. This is with a team that doesn't have a 2nd allstar player. Its well rounded and deep but there isn't a 2nd guy who is an allstar level talent.
Just because he had a down year this season doesn't erase what he did last year. I like Bam but he's not in the same tier as Trae Young

Not in the same tier offensively, but Trae is not anywhere closed to Bam defensively. In the regular season one can get away with no defense, but in the playoffs where most teams are good defensively and offensively, and shots are more contested, having a Bam getting higher percentage shots at the rim and protecting the rim, is more valuable than having a Trae chucking half court shots.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#516 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:27 pm

fishfuego. wrote:
oreon wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Besides his obvious offensive gifts and the counting stats to back it up, how do we objectively support his "impact" on winning games? Win shares? Playoff wins? He's got plenty of talent on that team.


He got a team to the conference finals. And took Bucks to 6 games. Had he not got hurt we thought the Hawks had a decent chance to upset. This is with a team that doesn't have a 2nd allstar player. Its well rounded and deep but there isn't a 2nd guy who is an allstar level talent.
Just because he had a down year this season doesn't erase what he did last year. I like Bam but he's not in the same tier as Trae Young

Not in the same tier offensively, but Trae is not anywhere closed to Bam defensively. In the regular season one can get away with no defense, but in the playoffs where most teams are good defensively and offensively, and shots are more contested, having a Bam getting higher percentage shots at the rim and protecting the rim, is more valuable than having a Trae chucking half court shots.


Bams defense is better than Traes offense, Bams offense is far better than Traes defense. Scoring and inflated box score numbers have people confused.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#517 » by greg4012 » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:50 pm

Zach Lowe votes for Bam for DPOY

"...Adebayo and Jackson can do much of what Smart does on the perimeter while still providing shot-blocking and center-level rebounding. Jackson is a so-so rebounder, but Adebayo posted the best defensive rebounding rate of his career -- impressive considering he switched almost 100 more ball screens than anyone, per Second Spectrum. That meant defending tons of isolations, and Adebayo held opposing scorers to a laughable 0.793 points when they tried him one-on-one, per Second Spectrum.

Gobert is the league's best rim protector, and way more comfortable than he gets credit for containing guards on switches. He is a one-man defensive architecture. (Embiid is too; he had an underrated defensive season, and was a contender for a ballot spot here.) Utah's defense melted away without Gobert.

We hear incessantly how five-out alignments "take Gobert out of the game," but that applies in varying degrees to every big man. The best argument against Adebayo is that switching often leaves him guarding some non-threatening wing far from the basket; he challenged only 3.5 shots at the rim, half Gobert's average and about five fewer than Embiid.

But the benefits of Adebayo's versatility far outweigh that one drawback considering how ferocious he is rushing back into the fray around the rim. It just felt like time to honor a different sort of player. The Heat -- No. 4 in overall defense -- went all-in on switching, and you can't do that unless your centerpiece big man is airtight at it. Switching is a form of rim protection in that it constructs a forcefield around the arc; you don't need to protect the rim if no one encroaches there.

Smart's backers would point out Boston is all-in on switching too, and could not have gone that route without a jumbo point guard who defends way above his size. (One of the league's great pleasures is watching Smart's burrowing box-outs against 7-footers.) Smart is 10th in charges taken -- another form of paint protection.

All fair. With Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry missing so much time, Adebayo felt more irreplaceable. The Heat were way stingier with Adebayo on the floor; Boston defended at about the same level with Smart playing or resting. (Phoenix was better with Bridges on the bench, but no one should hold that against him. The Suns were awesome regardless, and Bridges spent more time against opposing starters.)

Advanced metrics love Adebayo. (They adore Jackson too, but foul trouble short-circuits too many of his stints.) Adebayo covers for one or two glaring weak spots. Boston's top seven players all deserve All-Defensive consideration.

At some point you shrug and vote what feels right to you."
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Post#518 » by carnageta » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Meh. It's super tough to compare Trae Young - a point guard - to Bam Adebayo - a center. I don't have any problems with people ranking Trae higher - we're talking about a guy who averages 28 and 10 on high efficiency. I'd even take Trae Young over Bradley Beal, and I know many on this sub are mighty high on Beal..

Guards to Center comparisons have never made much sense to me. Different positions. Different roles. Different systems.
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Post#519 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:56 pm

greg4012 wrote:Zach Lowe votes for Bam for DPOY

"...Adebayo and Jackson can do much of what Smart does on the perimeter while still providing shot-blocking and center-level rebounding. Jackson is a so-so rebounder, but Adebayo posted the best defensive rebounding rate of his career -- impressive considering he switched almost 100 more ball screens than anyone, per Second Spectrum. That meant defending tons of isolations, and Adebayo held opposing scorers to a laughable 0.793 points when they tried him one-on-one, per Second Spectrum.

Gobert is the league's best rim protector, and way more comfortable than he gets credit for containing guards on switches. He is a one-man defensive architecture. (Embiid is too; he had an underrated defensive season, and was a contender for a ballot spot here.) Utah's defense melted away without Gobert.

We hear incessantly how five-out alignments "take Gobert out of the game," but that applies in varying degrees to every big man. The best argument against Adebayo is that switching often leaves him guarding some non-threatening wing far from the basket; he challenged only 3.5 shots at the rim, half Gobert's average and about five fewer than Embiid.

But the benefits of Adebayo's versatility far outweigh that one drawback considering how ferocious he is rushing back into the fray around the rim. It just felt like time to honor a different sort of player. The Heat -- No. 4 in overall defense -- went all-in on switching, and you can't do that unless your centerpiece big man is airtight at it. Switching is a form of rim protection in that it constructs a forcefield around the arc; you don't need to protect the rim if no one encroaches there.

Smart's backers would point out Boston is all-in on switching too, and could not have gone that route without a jumbo point guard who defends way above his size. (One of the league's great pleasures is watching Smart's burrowing box-outs against 7-footers.) Smart is 10th in charges taken -- another form of paint protection.

All fair. With Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry missing so much time, Adebayo felt more irreplaceable. The Heat were way stingier with Adebayo on the floor; Boston defended at about the same level with Smart playing or resting. (Phoenix was better with Bridges on the bench, but no one should hold that against him. The Suns were awesome regardless, and Bridges spent more time against opposing starters.)

Advanced metrics love Adebayo. (They adore Jackson too, but foul trouble short-circuits too many of his stints.) Adebayo covers for one or two glaring weak spots. Boston's top seven players all deserve All-Defensive consideration.

At some point you shrug and vote what feels right to you."


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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#520 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:56 pm

carnageta wrote:Meh. It's super tough to compare Trae Young - a point guard - to Bam Adebayo - a center. I don't have any problems with people ranking Trae higher - we're talking about a guy who averages 28 and 10 on high efficiency. I'd even take Trae Young over Bradley Beal, and I know many on this sub are mighty high on Beal..

Guards to Center comparisons have never made much sense to me. Different positions. Different roles. Different systems.


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