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It's not even a real first. That pick will probably fall between 27-30 considering how good OKC is.
Getting 4 seconds plus Jared Butler is great. I've wanted Butler for years and he's been putting up excellent numbers this year. Give him some real minutes and he could break out ala Justin Edwards. Plus we badly needed a real PG.
Good trade. Hopefully next shoe to drop is finding a sucker for Drummond.
Getting 4 seconds plus Jared Butler is great. I've wanted Butler for years and he's been putting up excellent numbers this year. Give him some real minutes and he could break out ala Justin Edwards. Plus we badly needed a real PG.
Good trade. Hopefully next shoe to drop is finding a sucker for Drummond.
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the_process wrote:LeonJordanJr24 wrote:George for Hunter type deal next ?
I don't believe they will trade George yet.
Embiid has barely played this year. Trading Caleb seems like a white flag, but if they think they can get a play-in game, and get Embiid and George healthy, they could make a run.
This team has a high ceiling and they prob aren’t ready to give up on PG. My own feeling is that Embiid will never go more than ten games without his knees causing him extremely pain, so any plan that involves a healthy Embiid is flawed to me. However, if they think they can get Embiid healthy to turn this around, I think PG’s shooting should pick back up and he should be able to fill his role.
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The recent surge of wins and close, while very undermanned losses was driven by younger, healthier and more athletic players. It's what fits Nurse's style and prevents Nurse from overplaying old vets when they are no longer on the roster.
Not moving on from PG if there is a chance to do so is failing to admit that building around Embiid with older name players is a major mistake. From a purely how good are they now and will be in the next three years I would not trade Yabu for PG straight up if they were on different teams.
Not moving on from PG if there is a chance to do so is failing to admit that building around Embiid with older name players is a major mistake. From a purely how good are they now and will be in the next three years I would not trade Yabu for PG straight up if they were on different teams.
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Black Mage wrote:MikRay wrote:My god wtf fire Morey what a fool
You don't understand basketball or draft value much do you?
Wake me up when Morey gets the 76ers out of the second round. He’s been a complete failure in Philadelphia. There’s no way to spin it.
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Arsenal wrote:It's not even a real first. That pick will probably fall between 27-30 considering how good OKC is.
Getting 4 seconds plus Jared Butler is great. I've wanted Butler for years and he's been putting up excellent numbers this year. Give him some real minutes and he could break out ala Justin Edwards. Plus we badly needed a real PG.
Good trade. Hopefully next shoe to drop is finding a sucker for Drummond.
Lowry seems to have the most off-the-court value. Drummond and Gordon have two year commitments, so I would love both to go.
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I don’t think PG is going anywhere unless Durant says he wants to play with Embiid AND PG wants to play in Phoenix. Otherwise, the Sixers have promised him at least one year to not trade him. Too many factors would have to arise for PG to be out at the deadline.
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I compare Butler to a young Monte Morris, who had a few really good years in Denver. Having a guy run the offense but also be able to play off ball and has a reputation of actually playing defense is very nice. His problem is his thin frame.
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Again, not stars, but giving Maxey guys like McCain, Edwards, Council, Grimes, Butler, Council, and Bona, gives us some athleticism and upside. And Yabu and Oubre are athletic guys in their prime,
I think the poor start should prevent Morey from trading any firsts in desperation moves. And it has lessened the need for veterans to round out the roster.
Not sure why Drummond has been so bad though. I was amped about his signing.
I think the poor start should prevent Morey from trading any firsts in desperation moves. And it has lessened the need for veterans to round out the roster.
Not sure why Drummond has been so bad though. I was amped about his signing.
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Negrodamus wrote:I compare Butler to a young Monte Morris, who had a few really good years in Denver. Having a guy run the offense but also be able to play off ball and has a reputation of actually playing defense is very nice. His problem is his thin frame.
I have to watch a highlights video, but Pompey said the Sixers liked it at draft time.
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Lowry gets to play the Locker Room vet role and Philly guy role, I am very good with this.
Honestly unless Durant's contract situation is better than PG's I want no parts of that either, other than he would be more tradable in the future. Build with guys that can support Embiid and Maxey and are also capable of being there if we switch towards a Maxey/McCain core.
Butler sounds like an upgrade on Downtin for the rest of the year at the very least.
Honestly unless Durant's contract situation is better than PG's I want no parts of that either, other than he would be more tradable in the future. Build with guys that can support Embiid and Maxey and are also capable of being there if we switch towards a Maxey/McCain core.
Butler sounds like an upgrade on Downtin for the rest of the year at the very least.
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sixers hoops wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I compare Butler to a young Monte Morris, who had a few really good years in Denver. Having a guy run the offense but also be able to play off ball and has a reputation of actually playing defense is very nice. His problem is his thin frame.
I have to watch a highlights video, but Pompey said the Sixers liked it at draft time.
Butler's advanced metrics were off the charts in college. By the numbers he was a stud prospect.
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sixers hoops wrote:Not sure why Drummond has been so bad though. I was amped about his signing.
The league is moving away from drop centers unless you're elite at it, or have a wing lineup that forces guys into the center. Our wing defense is at best average.
On top of that, Drummond's abilities as a rebounder are not that elite in a league with so many 3s attempts. Long rebounds are not going to be caught by a center most of the time.
Finally, he's mostly an athletic center with bad fundamentals who started to hit his physical decline.
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So what is the Sixers plan exactly? Ideally, you'd want them to either fully commit to a rebuild or fully commit to trying to take a big swing to get the Sixers over the top, if such a move even exists.
But just reading the tea leaves it feels like the Sixers plan is to do neither, kind of stay the course and it's just "We'll see what we can salvage for this season, but we see the writing on the wall for this season, so let's run it back next season and hope Embiid stays healthy and returns to playing like an MVP, hope PG stays healthy and returns to playing like a star, hope Maxey takes another big leap, hope McCain is fully recovered from knee surgery and plays a big role, hope we can re-sign Yabusele, and maybe we can contend next season."
Seems like a plan that has infinitesimal odds of working in their favor.
But just reading the tea leaves it feels like the Sixers plan is to do neither, kind of stay the course and it's just "We'll see what we can salvage for this season, but we see the writing on the wall for this season, so let's run it back next season and hope Embiid stays healthy and returns to playing like an MVP, hope PG stays healthy and returns to playing like a star, hope Maxey takes another big leap, hope McCain is fully recovered from knee surgery and plays a big role, hope we can re-sign Yabusele, and maybe we can contend next season."
Seems like a plan that has infinitesimal odds of working in their favor.
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We should now convert both Edwards and Butler to standard contracts. Get them locked up for as many years as possible.
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FireMorey wrote:So what is the Sixers plan exactly? Ideally, you'd want them to either fully commit to a rebuild or fully commit to trying to take a big swing to get the Sixers over the top, if such a move even exists.
But just reading the tea leaves it feels like the Sixers plan is to do neither, kind of stay the course and it's just "We'll see what we can salvage for this season, but we see the writing on the wall for this season, so let's run it back next season and hope Embiid stays healthy and returns to playing like an MVP, hope PG stays healthy and returns to playing like a star, hope Maxey takes another big leap, hope McCain is fully recovered from knee surgery and plays a big role, hope we can re-sign Yabusele, and maybe we can contend next season."
Seems like a plan that has infinitesimal odds of working in their favor.
Seems like they're standing at the state line with a foot in each state.
I do like the players brought in, but I also don't think this type of thing necessarily fits when you have a soon to be 35 and declining Paul George still being paid $50M+ for the next 3 season. a soon to be 31 year old 'star' center who has had significant injuries and can't stay healthy, and a maxed out youngster in Maxey.
Seems like the guys brought in fit more of a bad team who is treading water while tanking than a team with 3 high priced players theoretically trying to win.
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Arsenal wrote:sixers hoops wrote:Negrodamus wrote:I compare Butler to a young Monte Morris, who had a few really good years in Denver. Having a guy run the offense but also be able to play off ball and has a reputation of actually playing defense is very nice. His problem is his thin frame.
I have to watch a highlights video, but Pompey said the Sixers liked it at draft time.
Butler's advanced metrics were off the charts in college. By the numbers he was a stud prospect.
Honestly, I prob would have considered trading that OKC first straight up for the 4 seconds. The teams who own the picks are GS and Phoenix who are aging teams, and Portland and Washington who aren’t great. Butler makes it a win. I see why Washington would want the first, but we need more shots at mining some good, young talent at this point.
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FireMorey wrote:So what is the Sixers plan exactly? Ideally, you'd want them to either fully commit to a rebuild or fully commit to trying to take a big swing to get the Sixers over the top, if such a move even exists.
But just reading the tea leaves it feels like the Sixers plan is to do neither, kind of stay the course and it's just "We'll see what we can salvage for this season, but we see the writing on the wall for this season, so let's run it back next season and hope Embiid stays healthy and returns to playing like an MVP, hope PG stays healthy and returns to playing like a star, hope Maxey takes another big leap, hope McCain is fully recovered from knee surgery and plays a big role, hope we can re-sign Yabusele, and maybe we can contend next season."
Seems like a plan that has infinitesimal odds of working in their favor.
It’s obvious Morey does not know what the hell he’s doing. He still living off the James Harden trade he made 15 years ago.
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NGL I think a Process 2.0 with Morey at the helm would be awesome. However, to do that we need to rehab Embiid and PG's value enough to get a decent trade return.
Then build around Maxey and the young talent while tanking one or two years.
Then build around Maxey and the young talent while tanking one or two years.
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Portland loves blocking all their young guys with vets... wonder if you could grab Reath for Gordon and a 2nd?
Then Drummond and a 2nd for Horton-Tucker and sit PG, Embiid, and Maxey for the rest of the year.
Then Drummond and a 2nd for Horton-Tucker and sit PG, Embiid, and Maxey for the rest of the year.