Cooper Flagg -- Season 1 thread

[41Dirk41]

Do you finally understand why he was so scared when Mavs won the #1 pick?

If the most hyped kid after LeBron will lose the ROY it's a disaster, i hope we not ruin his career.

[Mr B]

I think Flagg is progressing just fine. Having him run the PG position may not be great for his scoring but it will help him in the long run. You can see that he had really good court vision he’s just not used to running the point. He clearly has a high basketball IQ so he will get better as the season goes along.

He’s rebounding well and even though he had a bad shooting night he still found ways to score. I still think he needs to get stronger and be more aggressive with his offensive game.

[HMFFL]

I think Flagg is progressing just fine. Having him run the PG position may not be great for his scoring but it will help him in the long run. You can see that he had really good court vision he’s just not used to running the point. He clearly has a high basketball IQ so he will get better as the season goes along.

He’s rebounding well and even though he had a bad shooting night he still found ways to score. I still think he needs to get stronger and be more aggressive with his offensive game.

I agree.

Low turnovers has helped and I hope he gets to the line more.

[41Dirk41]

He is a system player, we simply don't have one...

[Bob8]

I think Flagg is progressing just fine. Having him run the PG position may not be great for his scoring but it will help him in the long run. You can see that he had really good court vision he’s just not used to running the point. He clearly has a high basketball IQ so he will get better as the season goes along.

He’s rebounding well and even though he had a bad shooting night he still found ways to score. I still think he needs to get stronger and be more aggressive with his offensive game.

Unfortunately he's not running anything. And when he's accidentally running something, he's awful. For example Luka is running the most Pick&roll as ball handler, 14.7 per game with 1.32 PPP, Flagg is running only 3.5 per game with 0.52 PPP. Those are hardly Pg numbers.

You don't have exactly many 6'9 players, who're Pgs in Nba. I believe we all know from where the need for Flagg being Pg comes. Why he can't be rather what he's good at?

[Mr B]

I think Flagg is progressing just fine. Having him run the PG position may not be great for his scoring but it will help him in the long run. You can see that he had really good court vision he’s just not used to running the point. He clearly has a high basketball IQ so he will get better as the season goes along.

He’s rebounding well and even though he had a bad shooting night he still found ways to score. I still think he needs to get stronger and be more aggressive with his offensive game.

Unfortunately he's not running anything. And when he's accidentally running something, he's awful. For example Luka is running the most Pick&roll as ball handler, 14.7 per game with 1.32 PPP, Flagg is running only 3.5 per game with 0.52 PPP. Those are hardly Pg numbers.

You don't have exactly many 6'9 players, who're Pgs in Nba. I believe we all know from where the need for Flagg being Pg comes. Why he can't be rather what he's good at?

Again, you are comparing an 18 year old rookie to freakin Luka Doncic. No **** Luka is going to be better at everything.

[Bob8]

I think Flagg is progressing just fine. Having him run the PG position may not be great for his scoring but it will help him in the long run. You can see that he had really good court vision he’s just not used to running the point. He clearly has a high basketball IQ so he will get better as the season goes along.

He’s rebounding well and even though he had a bad shooting night he still found ways to score. I still think he needs to get stronger and be more aggressive with his offensive game.

Unfortunately he's not running anything. And when he's accidentally running something, he's awful. For example Luka is running the most Pick&roll as ball handler, 14.7 per game with 1.32 PPP, Flagg is running only 3.5 per game with 0.52 PPP. Those are hardly Pg numbers.

You don't have exactly many 6'9 players, who're Pgs in Nba. I believe we all know from where the need for Flagg being Pg comes. Why he can't be rather what he's good at?

Again, you are comparing an 18 year old rookie to freakin Luka Doncic. No **** Luka is going to be better at everything.

Again you don't understand anything. I'm not comparing him with Luka, his 3.5 possessions is not number Pgs have, it's number wings have, meaning he doesn't need to play without Pg in lineup to do some ball handling and creation. He starts on Pg position but he's not playing as Pg, reasoning how Kidd is developing his Pgs skills are laughable. He plays a Pg just on paper. But Kidd not playing Pg in his starting lineup has indeed one big real impact, the worst offensive rtg in the league.

[Super Cooper]

Unfortunately he's not running anything. And when he's accidentally running something, he's awful. For example Luka is running the most Pick&roll as ball handler, 14.7 per game with 1.32 PPP, Flagg is running only 3.5 per game with 0.52 PPP. Those are hardly Pg numbers.

You don't have exactly many 6'9 players, who're Pgs in Nba. I believe we all know from where the need for Flagg being Pg comes. Why he can't be rather what he's good at?

Again, you are comparing an 18 year old rookie to freakin Luka Doncic. No **** Luka is going to be better at everything.

Again you don't understand anything. I'm not comparing him with Luka, his 3.5 possessions is not number Pgs have, it's number wings have, meaning he doesn't need to play without Pg in lineup to do some ball handling and creation. He starts on Pg position but he's not playing as Pg, reasoning how Kidd is developing his Pgs skills are laughable. He plays a Pg just on paper. But Kidd not playing Pg in his starting lineup has indeed one big real impact, the worst offensive rtg in the league.

That's cool. You already wrote Cooper isn't playing PG. At this point you're simply arguing what his role is called. Coincidentally, when people argue pure semantics in a business setting I say "what you call it matters not. let's call it 'Bob'". I kid you not.

[Bob8]

Again, you are comparing an 18 year old rookie to freakin Luka Doncic. No **** Luka is going to be better at everything.

Again you don't understand anything. I'm not comparing him with Luka, his 3.5 possessions is not number Pgs have, it's number wings have, meaning he doesn't need to play without Pg in lineup to do some ball handling and creation. He starts on Pg position but he's not playing as Pg, reasoning how Kidd is developing his Pgs skills are laughable. He plays a Pg just on paper. But Kidd not playing Pg in his starting lineup has indeed one big real impact, the worst offensive rtg in the league.

That's cool. You already wrote Cooper isn't playing PG. At this point you're simply arguing what his role is called. Coincidentally, when people argue pure semantics in a business setting I say "what you call it matters not. let's call it 'Bob'". I kid you not.

If people, you and Mr. B, are thrilled that playing Pg is great for Flagg's development, then someone explaining how that's not true is not just semantics. You can develop your game, if you're playing Pg just on paper.

[Super Cooper]

Again you don't understand anything. I'm not comparing him with Luka, his 3.5 possessions is not number Pgs have, it's number wings have, meaning he doesn't need to play without Pg in lineup to do some ball handling and creation. He starts on Pg position but he's not playing as Pg, reasoning how Kidd is developing his Pgs skills are laughable. He plays a Pg just on paper. But Kidd not playing Pg in his starting lineup has indeed one big real impact, the worst offensive rtg in the league.

That's cool. You already wrote Cooper isn't playing PG. At this point you're simply arguing what his role is called. Coincidentally, when people argue pure semantics in a business setting I say "what you call it matters not. let's call it 'Bob'". I kid you not.

If people, you and Mr. B, are thrilled that playing Pg is great for Flagg's development, then someone explaining how that's not true is not just semantics. You can develop your game, if you're playing Pg just on paper.

Given you already admitted Cooper isn't playing PG, let's call his current role "bob". I'm happy with "bob", for his development.

You have been arguing for a week now Cooper shouldn't be playing PG, all whilst stating he isn't playing PG.

Do you just need a "you are right", or just a hug?

[Super Cooper]

Do you finally understand why he was so scared when Mavs won the #1 pick?

If the most hyped kid after LeBron will lose the ROY it's a disaster, i hope we not ruin his career.

Correction: he's the most hyped AMERICAN since Lebron. If he doesn't win ROTY, what does it matter? How did that work out for Simons, Brogdon, Wiggins, Evans, and MCW?

[Bob8]

That's cool. You already wrote Cooper isn't playing PG. At this point you're simply arguing what his role is called. Coincidentally, when people argue pure semantics in a business setting I say "what you call it matters not. let's call it 'Bob'". I kid you not.

If people, you and Mr. B, are thrilled that playing Pg is great for Flagg's development, then someone explaining how that's not true is not just semantics. You can develop your game, if you're playing Pg just on paper.

Given you already admitted Cooper isn't playing PG, let's call his current role "bob". I'm happy with "bob", for his development.

You have been arguing for a week now Cooper shouldn't be playing PG, all whilst stating he isn't playing PG.

Do you just need a "you are right", or just a hug?

I always do a mistake believing how all people are having functional literacy.

Flagg being Pg only on paper means there isn't a Pg in a starting lineup. Kid plays 2 wings and 3 bigs. Hence, the worst offensive rtg in the league. If Flagg was indeed playing Pg, they would still be awful, but we could at least say, Kidd is playing bad basketball trying to develop Flagg. And there is 3rd option, if Flagg was playing his natural position in lineup and on paper, Kidd could have played Pg besides him and Mavs would consequently look better.

Btw. I don't mind you personal remarks, but I have to say you don't look smart because of them.

[41Dirk41]

Do you finally understand why he was so scared when Mavs won the #1 pick?

If the most hyped kid after LeBron will lose the ROY it's a disaster, i hope we not ruin his career.

Correction: he's the most hyped AMERICAN since Lebron. If he doesn't win ROTY, what does it matter? How did that work out for Simons, Brogdon, Wiggins, Evans, and MCW?

The pressure on him... I don't care about stupid NBA trophy, i'm just scared from what can happen on the media if his first season will be mediocre (it's not only his fault).

[Super Cooper]

If people, you and Mr. B, are thrilled that playing Pg is great for Flagg's development, then someone explaining how that's not true is not just semantics. You can develop your game, if you're playing Pg just on paper.

Given you already admitted Cooper isn't playing PG, let's call his current role "bob". I'm happy with "bob", for his development.

You have been arguing for a week now Cooper shouldn't be playing PG, all whilst stating he isn't playing PG.

Do you just need a "you are right", or just a hug?

I always do a mistake believing how all people are having functional literacy.

Flagg being Pg only on paper means there isn't a Pg in a starting lineup. Kid plays 2 wings and 3 bigs. Hence, the worst offensive rtg in the league. If Flagg was indeed playing Pg, they would still be awful, but we could at least say, Kidd is playing bad basketball trying to develop Flagg. And there is 3rd option, if Flagg was playing his natural position in lineup and on paper, Kidd could have played Pg besides him and Mavs would consequently look better.

Btw. I don't mind you personal remarks, but I have to say you don't look smart because of them.

That's rich, coming from you. I've said nothing personal other than you are a miserable Mavs fan and will argue with a wall about subjects that are fruitless. You are about being right, not about getting it right.

Compare that to your questioning my basketball knowledge and now literacy. Don't point out the splinter in my eye when you have a whole plank in yours...

[Bob8]

Given you already admitted Cooper isn't playing PG, let's call his current role "bob". I'm happy with "bob", for his development.

You have been arguing for a week now Cooper shouldn't be playing PG, all whilst stating he isn't playing PG.

Do you just need a "you are right", or just a hug?

I always do a mistake believing how all people are having functional literacy.

Flagg being Pg only on paper means there isn't a Pg in a starting lineup. Kid plays 2 wings and 3 bigs. Hence, the worst offensive rtg in the league. If Flagg was indeed playing Pg, they would still be awful, but we could at least say, Kidd is playing bad basketball trying to develop Flagg. And there is 3rd option, if Flagg was playing his natural position in lineup and on paper, Kidd could have played Pg besides him and Mavs would consequently look better.

Btw. I don't mind you personal remarks, but I have to say you don't look smart because of them.

That's rich, coming from you. I've said nothing personal other than you are a miserable Mavs fan and will argue with a wall about subjects that are fruitless. You are about being right, not about getting it right.

Compare that to your questioning my basketball knowledge and now literacy. Don't point out the splinter in my eye when you have a whole plank in yours...

We're here to question each other's basketball knowledge. I doubt we're here for psychological analysis of each other.

[Super Cooper]

Do you finally understand why he was so scared when Mavs won the #1 pick?

If the most hyped kid after LeBron will lose the ROY it's a disaster, i hope we not ruin his career.

Correction: he's the most hyped AMERICAN since Lebron. If he doesn't win ROTY, what does it matter? How did that work out for Simons, Brogdon, Wiggins, Evans, and MCW?

The pressure on him... I don't care about stupid NBA trophy, i'm just scared from what can happen on the media if his first season will be mediocre (it's not only his fault).

To that, we agree. His confidence is paramount, to which so far seems to be unscathed.

If his shot was dropping, though, the perspective of his performance so far would be different. If he shot the league average 44.2%fg and 36.1%3pt, he'd be averaging 15.3pts and his +/- would be under -10.

15.3pts/3asts/6.5rbs with his D wouldn't be considered bad at all for an 18yo rookie. Castle last year, ROTY, averaged 15.7pts/4.1asts/3.7rbs for the entire year. It's not at all far-fetched to say Cooper will more than beat out Castle's ROTY year.

Let's use some realism here.

[Super Cooper]

I always do a mistake believing how all people are having functional literacy.

Flagg being Pg only on paper means there isn't a Pg in a starting lineup. Kid plays 2 wings and 3 bigs. Hence, the worst offensive rtg in the league. If Flagg was indeed playing Pg, they would still be awful, but we could at least say, Kidd is playing bad basketball trying to develop Flagg. And there is 3rd option, if Flagg was playing his natural position in lineup and on paper, Kidd could have played Pg besides him and Mavs would consequently look better.

Btw. I don't mind you personal remarks, but I have to say you don't look smart because of them.

That's rich, coming from you. I've said nothing personal other than you are a miserable Mavs fan and will argue with a wall about subjects that are fruitless. You are about being right, not about getting it right.

Compare that to your questioning my basketball knowledge and now literacy. Don't point out the splinter in my eye when you have a whole plank in yours...

We're here to question each other's basketball knowledge. I doubt we're here for psychological analysis of each other.

Hahaha. Nice choice of what to cherry pick. You questioned my literacy in the same post that you said I was being personal lol.

If you don't want to be seen as a miserable Mavs fan, why not stop the constant b!tching?

[Mr B]

Do you finally understand why he was so scared when Mavs won the #1 pick?

If the most hyped kid after LeBron will lose the ROY it's a disaster, i hope we not ruin his career.

Correction: he's the most hyped AMERICAN since Lebron. If he doesn't win ROTY, what does it matter? How did that work out for Simons, Brogdon, Wiggins, Evans, and MCW?

Jason Tatum didn’t win rookie of the year. Does that mean he sucks?

[Bob8]

That's rich, coming from you. I've said nothing personal other than you are a miserable Mavs fan and will argue with a wall about subjects that are fruitless. You are about being right, not about getting it right.

Compare that to your questioning my basketball knowledge and now literacy. Don't point out the splinter in my eye when you have a whole plank in yours...

We're here to question each other's basketball knowledge. I doubt we're here for psychological analysis of each other.

Hahaha. Nice choice of what to cherry pick. You questioned my literacy in the same post that you said I was being personal lol.

If you don't want to be seen as a miserable Mavs fan, why not stop the constant b!tching?

You said that i was talking the same thing for a week, was visible upset, and it was obvious you still don't understand, I just guessed literacy is the problem.

[41Dirk41]

Correction: he's the most hyped AMERICAN since Lebron. If he doesn't win ROTY, what does it matter? How did that work out for Simons, Brogdon, Wiggins, Evans, and MCW?

The pressure on him... I don't care about stupid NBA trophy, i'm just scared from what can happen on the media if his first season will be mediocre (it's not only his fault).

To that, we agree. His confidence is paramount, to which so far seems to be unscathed.

If his shot was dropping, though, the perspective of his performance so far would be different. If he shot the league average 44.2%fg and 36.1%3pt, he'd be averaging 15.3pts and his +/- would be under -10.

15.3pts/3asts/6.5rbs with his D wouldn't be considered bad at all for an 18yo rookie. Castle last year, ROTY, averaged 15.7pts/4.1asts/3.7rbs for the entire year. It's not at all far-fetched to say Cooper will more than beat out Castle's ROTY year.

Let's use some realism here.

I never said that he is bad, he played bad , he plays bad or whatever else.