Raptors Cap Situation - Woj: Cap at 70 million, Tax 84.7 million

[becausephilchow]

Well then, with 2.7M left in cap, that's a lot better than I thought.

Ross [3.5] + Ridnour [2.75] + Rights to De Colo for Terrence Jones [2.5] (2 Deals, as I believe Ridnour cannot be moved in combination with another player?)

We can't combine the Ridnour's contract with nothing.
If we want to Jones, we can offer only Ross (+ rights of De Colo). I would give them even Nogueira..

I simply think that we could give a contract to Hill (6 millions per year), after we trade Ross for a 2nd...

I'm not high on Ross, but I think he's worth more than a 2nd round right now. I'd say least 2 Seconds, or 1 Late First.

That being said, I believe we can offer it into 2 Separate deals. Since Houston is under the cap, I believe. Ross + Rights to DeColo for TJones, and then Ridnour for TPE afterwards, or something like that.

And yes, I Would be 100% content with giving them Bebe too, I don't think he'll amount to anything.

Not high on Hill to be honest with you, we're looking to build for the future, and Hill is not it.

[dhackett1565]

Can't trade rights of a free agent.

[dhackett1565]

Yes, TPE's cannot exist at same time as cap space. Will disappear so we can sign Carroll and Joseph.

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

So is the 2.7million free counting, or not counting Ridnour who we will either waive or trade for a future 2nd lol.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Oh okay that makes sense and that all has to be under the cap to absorb the player's contract?

If you're under the cap you can absorb the players salary yes but if you are over it as was the case with the GSW example and you have a trade exception you can use it to acquire a player that makes the TEs amount.

So we have a 6,400,000 Vasquez TE for example. If we were over the cap we could use that to acquire a player who made no more than 6,500,000 (6.4 + 100k)

Actually from what I have read on Larry Coon... Once we fall below the salary cap to acquire free agents (Carroll, Joseph) we not only lose our right to the MLE and BAE, but we also lose all our Trade Exceptions as well... With limited cap space left (2-3m) any trade pretty much have to follow trade guidelines (within 25%) cause we really don't have the space to absorb. As per free agency we are now relegated to Vet Minimums to fill roster spots...

Correct. I was more speaking to the example above that he provided regarding GSW.

[Rapsobsessed7]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

[RealityIsDemar]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

Decent. I could dig Dorell Wright, Gerald Green or Will Barton. Any 2 of them if we send away Ross and JJ.

Ross (3.7) + JJ (2.5) + 2016 First (TOR) + 2017 2nd + 2019 2nd
for
Sullinger (2.2) (Poor defensively but makes up for it with strong shooting, rebounding and a decent post/around basket game)

Saves a bit of cap (should be around 8M now) and gets us our future PF. With the cap sign 2 of Gerald Green, Dorell Wright and Will Barton

Lowry/Joseph/Wright
DeRozan/Wright/Barton
Carroll/Green/Caboclo
Sullinger/Patterson/Min
Valanciunas/Biyombo/Nogueira

[ishoy123]

Well then, with 2.7M left in cap, that's a lot better than I thought.

Ross [3.5] + Ridnour [2.75] + Rights to De Colo for Terrence Jones [2.5] (2 Deals, as I believe Ridnour cannot be moved in combination with another player?)

We can't combine the Ridnour's contract with nothing.
If we want to Jones, we can offer only Ross (+ rights of De Colo). I would give them even Nogueira..

I simply think that we could give a contract to Hill (6 millions per year), after we trade Ross for a 2nd...

I'm not high on Ross, but I think he's worth more than a 2nd round right now. I'd say least 2 Seconds, or 1 Late First.

That being said, I believe we can offer it into 2 Separate deals. Since Houston is under the cap, I believe. Ross + Rights to DeColo for TJones, and then Ridnour for TPE afterwards, or something like that.

And yes, I Would be 100% content with giving them Bebe too, I don't think he'll amount to anything.

Not high on Hill to be honest with you, we're looking to build for the future, and Hill is not it.

Lmfao no way Houston will give Jones for Ross + De Colo.

[becausephilchow]

We can't combine the Ridnour's contract with nothing.
If we want to Jones, we can offer only Ross (+ rights of De Colo). I would give them even Nogueira..

I simply think that we could give a contract to Hill (6 millions per year), after we trade Ross for a 2nd...

I'm not high on Ross, but I think he's worth more than a 2nd round right now. I'd say least 2 Seconds, or 1 Late First.

That being said, I believe we can offer it into 2 Separate deals. Since Houston is under the cap, I believe. Ross + Rights to DeColo for TJones, and then Ridnour for TPE afterwards, or something like that.

And yes, I Would be 100% content with giving them Bebe too, I don't think he'll amount to anything.

Not high on Hill to be honest with you, we're looking to build for the future, and Hill is not it.

Lmfao no way Houston will give Jones for Ross + De Colo.

I said i'd be willing to offer BeBe too.

And, they can swap De Colo out if they want a pick instead of him!

I think Ross + BeBe + LAC 2017/De Colo, would be enough.

If it really comes down to it, i'd be willing to offer all 4 for Terrence Jones.

[Oakville_Raptor]

I was never on the Lou bandwagon, but I wish him the best of luck in LA. He had a great first couple months for the Raptors.

[dhackett1565]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

What incentives did DD meet/not meet? Last year his incentive was reported to be 600k for making the all star game, odd to think it was actually 550k for something else and only 50k for making the all star game.

[dhackett1565]

And I'm only seeing 3.6 million in cap room if DD's contract ends up at 10M. Are you missing a roster slot cap hold maybe?

[Rapsobsessed7]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

What incentives did DD meet/not meet? Last year his incentive was reported to be 600k for making the all star game, odd to think it was actually 550k for something else and only 50k for making the all star game.

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[Duffman100]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

So sorry, if we waive Ridnour, does that number go up? (it may have already been asked, sorry if it was).

[Rapsobsessed7]

And I'm only seeing 3.6 million in cap room if DD's contract ends up at 10M. Are you missing a roster slot cap hold maybe?

4.1 - 500k = 3.6

If we are at 12 players and sign a 13th wouldn't the roster charge disappear? It's more or less a place holder until you sign someone.

[Rapsobsessed7]

so to update a couple things.

Derozan didn't reach all his incentives in his contract, so it comes in at 10,050,000

Carroll starts at 14,050,000

Joesph at 7,000,000

our cap space remaining is...

4,141,526

since Biyombo was signed using the room exception. I wouldn't be surprised to see Masai use this 4.1 million to sign a SG/scorer off the bench and then look to trade after it, going over the cap.

So sorry, if we waive Ridnour, does that number go up? (it may have already been asked, sorry if it was).

That's not including Ridnour so no it stays the same. No problem at all.

[Duffman100]

4 million enough to get Gerald Green?

[dhackett1565]

And I'm only seeing 3.6 million in cap room if DD's contract ends up at 10M. Are you missing a roster slot cap hold maybe?

4.1 - 500k = 3.6

If we are at 12 players and sign a 13th wouldn't the roster charge disappear? It's more or less a place holder until you sign someone.

But we are only at 11 players, if we waive Ridnour. So in theory we need to set aside space for a 13th signing (with the rest of the space, 3.6M or so, going to the 12th player). In our case we are going to use the Room MLE to sign that 13th player (Biyombo), but the rules dictate that we still need to carry that 13th spot cap hold.

[El Bow]

And I'm only seeing 3.6 million in cap room if DD's contract ends up at 10M. Are you missing a roster slot cap hold maybe?

4.1 - 500k = 3.6

If we are at 12 players and sign a 13th wouldn't the roster charge disappear? It's more or less a place holder until you sign someone.

But we are only at 11 players, if we waive Ridnour. So in theory we need to set aside space for a 13th signing (with the rest of the space, 3.6M or so, going to the 12th player). In our case we are going to use the Room MLE to sign that 13th player (Biyombo), but the rules dictate that we still need to carry that 13th spot cap hold.

Edit: nvm

In order to prevent a roster charge cap hold, would it be possible to initially sign Biyombo using cap space, and then allocate his salary towards the room exception at a later date (thus opening up more space below the cap)?

[dhackett1565]

4.1 - 500k = 3.6

If we are at 12 players and sign a 13th wouldn't the roster charge disappear? It's more or less a place holder until you sign someone.

But we are only at 11 players, if we waive Ridnour. So in theory we need to set aside space for a 13th signing (with the rest of the space, 3.6M or so, going to the 12th player). In our case we are going to use the Room MLE to sign that 13th player (Biyombo), but the rules dictate that we still need to carry that 13th spot cap hold.

Edit: nvm

In order to prevent a roster charge cap hold, would it be possible to initially sign Biyombo using cap space, and then allocate his salary towards the room exception at a later date (thus opening up more space below the cap)?

Nope, sadly. The Room MLE is one of those things that is dependent on the order your signings happen in.