2015-16 UEFA Europa League

Ted Lasso · Post #521 » by **Ted Lasso** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:21 pm

cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Post #522 » by **magik9113** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:45 pm

Ted Lasso wrote:
cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Bias

cgf · Post #523 » by **cgf** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:00 pm

Ted Lasso wrote:
cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Just from how strong they've looked this season in the games I've watched. Tuchel has BVB playing the best football this generation has played to this point, they're having the best season in franchise history in the league and have been dominant in the EL. Their build up play is very well structured and extremely fluid. Which has helped so many of their players thrive and find the best form of their careers. Marco Reus is pretty much the only Dortmund attacker or midfield, who isn't having a career season under Tuchel's guidance...I guess Shinji isn't either, but I think that's more because the Shinji who left for Manchester is gone, not because Kagawa still has more to give and just isn't fitting in well enough to do so.

Juve's got great talent of course, and a wonderful backline, but their structure with the ball has been poor; relying largely on their superior talent and counter-opportunities to produce goals for them in the league & CL. Now Dybala, Marchisio, Pogba & co. are certainly capable of delivering enough moments of brilliance to decide plenty of matches, and their defense ensures that that is enough to beat most teams...see Serie A standings. But the organizational gap between the way Juve attack and the way BVB do is greater to me than any advantage they may hold in talent over Auba, Gundogan, Mkhitaryan, and co.

PSG are more structured in possession than Juve, and also have great individual talent of their own; but again the collective hasn't looked as fluid or lethal as BVB have under Tuchel...at least not since returning from the winter break where TT cranked his team up to 11 be figuring out how to solidify the defense; and get the few players who were mediocre in the first half to start thriving as well (see Castro & Durm).

TL;DR
I think all 4 of BVB, PSG, Athleti and Juve are really close...and on current form, Real is no better than any of them...but Athleti and BVB look like the most dangerous non-FCB teams at the moment.

magik9113 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Bias

And this. I can't not <3 Tuchel.

DD12 · Post #524 » by **DD12** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:13 pm

whoever thinks Reus-Auba-Mkhi can score more than 2 goals in 2 games against PSG and Ibra,Cavani, Di Maria can't score more than 4 goals against Dortmund should wake up and wash their face.

In addition to that, Juve is not only > Dortmund. It is literally like Juve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dortmund.

cgf · Post #525 » by **cgf** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:20 pm

Shocking that Massi once again under-rates a german club. When has that ever happened before?

Post #526 » by **Baphomet** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:06 pm

Liverpool winning in Dortmund

cgf · Post #527 » by **cgf** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:14 pm

Sakho's made some incredible stops in that first half, saved 2-3 goals.

Weigl, Schmelzer and Miki are looking sharp today, piszcek...not so much...

EDIT:
And there's the equalizer from Hummels.

Andi Obst · Post #528 » by **Andi Obst** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:18 pm

Best 30 seconds of Weidenfeller's career :lol:

cgf · Post #529 » by **cgf** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:30 pm

That pass from Hummels. wow

Post #530 » by **Baphomet** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:34 pm

Bakambu's playing really well this season, good for him. Villarreal are a likable side.

Hijinks · Post #531 » by **Hijinks** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:08 pm

2nd best german team can't beat no.9 team in england, LOL

wait, this isn't massis account. nevermind.

Hijinks · Post #532 » by **Hijinks** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:11 pm

honestly, the draw is absolutely fair. dortmund felt more dominant, but the chances just weren't there. that last pass, almost always was blocked by a pool player. i'm a little disappointed, but i'm also confident that dortmund can win in liverpool.

No_20 · Post #533 » by **No_20** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:27 pm

Hijinks wrote:honestly, the draw is absolutely fair. dortmund felt more dominant, but the chances just weren't there. that last pass, almost always was blocked by a pool player. i'm a little disappointed, but i'm also confident that dortmund can win in liverpool.

No German club has ever beaten Liverpool at Anfield.

Will be a cracking atmosphere there. Anfield has the best atmosphere for European games.

No_20 · Post #534 » by **No_20** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:29 pm

cgf wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Just from how strong they've looked this season in the games I've watched. Tuchel has BVB playing the best football this generation has played to this point, they're having the best season in franchise history in the league and have been dominant in the EL. Their build up play is very well structured and extremely fluid. Which has helped so many of their players thrive and find the best form of their careers. Marco Reus is pretty much the only Dortmund attacker or midfield, who isn't having a career season under Tuchel's guidance...I guess Shinji isn't either, but I think that's more because the Shinji who left for Manchester is gone, not because Kagawa still has more to give and just isn't fitting in well enough to do so.

Juve's got great talent of course, and a wonderful backline, but their structure with the ball has been poor; relying largely on their superior talent and counter-opportunities to produce goals for them in the league & CL. Now Dybala, Marchisio, Pogba & co. are certainly capable of delivering enough moments of brilliance to decide plenty of matches, and their defense ensures that that is enough to beat most teams...see Serie A standings. But the organizational gap between the way Juve attack and the way BVB do is greater to me than any advantage they may hold in talent over Auba, Gundogan, Mkhitaryan, and co.

PSG are more structured in possession than Juve, and also have great individual talent of their own; but again the collective hasn't looked as fluid or lethal as BVB have under Tuchel...at least not since returning from the winter break where TT cranked his team up to 11 be figuring out how to solidify the defense; and get the few players who were mediocre in the first half to start thriving as well (see Castro & Durm).

TL;DR
I think all 4 of BVB, PSG, Athleti and Juve are really close...and on current form, Real is no better than any of them...but Athleti and BVB look like the most dangerous non-FCB teams at the moment.

magik9113 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:Based on WHAT?

Bias

And this. I can't not <3 Tuchel.

F*cking hell, cgf just called Dortmund a 'franchise'.

cgf · Post #535 » by **cgf** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:31 pm

Hijinks wrote:honestly, the draw is absolutely fair. dortmund felt more dominant, but the chances just weren't there. that last pass, almost always was blocked by a pool player. i'm a little disappointed, but i'm also confident that dortmund can win in liverpool.

They were there in the first half. If Sakho & Lovren weren't pulling goal-saving tackles/interceptions out of their asses all game long you could've hit 3-4 goals in the first half, at least.

...granted LFC could've scored 2-3 goals of their own; but with Reus & Auba having poor games, Ilkay not in the lineup, and the Derby this weekend; not a bad showing even if the result wasn't ideal. Especially with the way you were able to take control of the match in the second half & tame LFC's press.

Hijinks · Post #536 » by **Hijinks** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:34 pm

No_20 wrote:
Hijinks wrote:honestly, the draw is absolutely fair. dortmund felt more dominant, but the chances just weren't there. that last pass, almost always was blocked by a pool player. i'm a little disappointed, but i'm also confident that dortmund can win in liverpool.

No German club has ever beaten Liverpool at Anfield.

Will be a cracking atmosphere there. Anfield has the best atmosphere for European games.

no german team had ever won at white hart lane...

cgf · Post #537 » by **cgf** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:37 pm

No_20 wrote:
cgf wrote:
magik9113 wrote:Bias

And this. I can't not <3 Tuchel.

F*cking hell, cgf just called Dortmund a 'franchise'.

"in franchise history" sounded better than "in company history" :wink:

DD12 · Post #538 » by **DD12** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:42 pm

Oh one of the best teams in the world couldn't even beat mid table epl team even though they have the best coach in the world while he has not won a single trophy. Irony

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DD12 · Post #539 » by **DD12** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 9:44 pm

cgf wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
cgf wrote:PSG ahead of Juventus for me, but BVB ahead of either.

Based on WHAT?

Just from how strong they've looked this season in the games I've watched. Tuchel has BVB playing the best football this generation has played to this point, they're having the best season in franchise history in the league and have been dominant in the EL. Their build up play is very well structured and extremely fluid. Which has helped so many of their players thrive and find the best form of their careers. Marco Reus is pretty much the only Dortmund attacker or midfield, who isn't having a career season under Tuchel's guidance...I guess Shinji isn't either, but I think that's more because the Shinji who left for Manchester is gone, not because Kagawa still has more to give and just isn't fitting in well enough to do so.

Juve's got great talent of course, and a wonderful backline, but their structure with the ball has been poor; relying largely on their superior talent and counter-opportunities to produce goals for them in the league & CL. Now Dybala, Marchisio, Pogba & co. are certainly capable of delivering enough moments of brilliance to decide plenty of matches, and their defense ensures that that is enough to beat most teams...see Serie A standings. But the organizational gap between the way Juve attack and the way BVB do is greater to me than any advantage they may hold in talent over Auba, Gundogan, Mkhitaryan, and co.

PSG are more structured in possession than Juve, and also have great individual talent of their own; but again the collective hasn't looked as fluid or lethal as BVB have under Tuchel...at least not since returning from the winter break where TT cranked his team up to 11 be figuring out how to solidify the defense; and get the few players who were mediocre in the first half to start thriving as well (see Castro & Durm).

TL;DR
I think all 4 of BVB, PSG, Athleti and Juve are really close...and on current form, Real is no better than any of them...but Athleti and BVB look like the most dangerous non-FCB teams at the moment.

magik9113 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:Based on WHAT?

Bias

And this. I can't not <3 Tuchel.

LOL.

Hijinks · Post #540 » by **Hijinks** » Thu Apr 7, 2016 10:02 pm

DD12 wrote:Oh one of the best teams in the world couldn't even beat mid table epl team even though they have the best coach in the world while he has not won a single trophy. Irony

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Hijinks wrote:2nd best german team can't beat no.9 team in england, LOL

wait, this isn't massis account. nevermind.