Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[batsmasher]

Cory Jefferson's mom's name is Fancy Pace. Fancy Pace. Fancy. Pace.

[NavLDO]

I like the Sims signing. He has some real NBA game experience, and while clearly a bench player, at best, I'm glad we signed some big bodies. We could do worse than enter the season with Chandler/Len/Sims or Mirza/Sims/Leuer if we in fact, lose Kieff.

I don't understand why Sims is considered a poor rebounder; his numbers suggest otherwise, with 5 Rebs per 19 minutes played last season.

[jcsunsfan]

Assuming Markieff is going to be moved at some point, it is hard to know exactly which type of player would be a perfect fit with the Suns starting unit, assuming it is going to be Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler. Honestly, LaMarcus Aldridge was the ideal fit. Assuming we are going to be stuck with a non-star player in return for Kief, I prefer a slightly undersized three and D guy like DeMarre Carroll or Jae Crowder. We'd have impeccable spacing. The team could get up and down the floor. The first unit would have the potential to be a top-ten defense. And we'd still have a ton of firepower in the second unit.

An Ibaka type player would be good. Shooter, rebounder, defender.

[letsgosuns]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

[franksredhot]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

A Paul George Pre-Injury yes maybe..

But yea now that's just ridiculous

[Nando88]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

The author of this is named Deadpoolio, as far fetched as his "not far fetched" scenario is, I don't think it's far fetched that this article was actually written by Deadpool




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[Stix]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

This just goes to show you that anyone can write for brightside. What a worthless hunk of garbage article. I have seen better trades on the trade board, and that is not saying much.

[oddity]

Can't blame the guy for getting excited but yeah. Brightside really needs to stop putting ridiculous dream-like scenarios on their front page. It makes the entire fandom look worse. Just save those articles for the "fanposts" section

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Frankly, that just goes to show you how many valuable young assets we have on this roster.

I love Len, Warren and Booker as prospects. HOLD.

[sunsbum]

I'm surprised bright side posters were so nice about it. That has to be one of the **** trade proposals I've ever seen. I can't believe someone wasted grey matter chumming that one up. We see alot of poop here but to me that takes the poop cake. Crown em.

[AtheJ415]

I'm surprised bright side posters were so nice about it. That has to be one of the **** trade proposals I've ever seen. I can't believe someone wasted grey matter chumming that one up. We see alot of poop here but to me that takes the poop cake. Crown em.

I still think the Joe Johnson and KG proposals on here take the poop cake. At least Paul George isn't 35.

[tgtm_24]

Frankly, that just goes to show you how many valuable young assets we have on this roster.

I love Len, Warren and Booker as prospects. HOLD.

Agreed. Even if the wins aren't coming, looking forward to watching these guys develop

[batsmasher]

Jeez, if only you guys were as critical of your own trades as you are of the BSoTS one.

It sucks tho.

[thamadkant]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

Yeah.

Remove Goodwin and its sounds about right

[thamadkant]

And Pacers are NOT going to trade George without another All-Star coming back.
They reloaded with Ellis, Hill etc.

But a 3 way maybe...

Kings/Suns/Pacers

Kings In: Morris + Budinger
Kings Out: Gay

Pacers In: Gay + Len + Heat 2018 pick + Tucker
Pacers Out: George + Budinger

Suns in: George
Suns Out: Morris + Len + Heat 2018 pick + Tucker

[letsgosuns]

I would not trade Len for George. You do not trade big for small. Plus George has had only one year of being a 20+ point scorer and had a devastating injury. I personally think he will still be a good player but I never considered him a superstar in the first place even prior to his injury. Maybe a rising star but I just do not see the Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, or Westbrook style talent level in him. Maybe I am wrong but that is how I feel.

Anyway, if George was actually available, something like Morris, Goodwin, and two draft picks or Morris, Goodwin, and MAYBE Warren if George was legitimately 100%. Giving up the entire farm of young players and draft picks for George is asinine. Three or four assets is what I would do. That is it.

[jcsunsfan]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

Not reasonable. Too much to give up AND I doubt the Pacers are ready to part with PG

[thamadkant]

I would not trade Len for George. You do not trade big for small. Plus George has had only one year of being a 20+ point scorer and had a devastating injury. I personally think he will still be a good player but I never considered him a superstar in the first place even prior to his injury. Maybe a rising star but I just do not see the Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, or Westbrook style talent level in him. Maybe I am wrong but that is how I feel.

Anyway, if George was actually available, something like Morris, Goodwin, and two draft picks or Morris, Goodwin, and MAYBE Warren if George was legitimately 100%. Giving up the entire farm of young players and draft picks for George is asinine. Three or four assets is what I would do. That is it.

I like Len, look up all the draft and rookie impression threads.

I believe in his potential... but the key word is potential.

George is a star... Len is potentially a "good" center...

You are thinking with your heart instead of your head, but thats understandable I do the same sometimes.

[letsgosuns]

I would not trade Len for George. You do not trade big for small. Plus George has had only one year of being a 20+ point scorer and had a devastating injury. I personally think he will still be a good player but I never considered him a superstar in the first place even prior to his injury. Maybe a rising star but I just do not see the Lebron, Durant, Curry, Harden, or Westbrook style talent level in him. Maybe I am wrong but that is how I feel.

Anyway, if George was actually available, something like Morris, Goodwin, and two draft picks or Morris, Goodwin, and MAYBE Warren if George was legitimately 100%. Giving up the entire farm of young players and draft picks for George is asinine. Three or four assets is what I would do. That is it.

I like Len, look up all the draft and rookie impression threads.

I believe in his potential... but the key word is potential.

George is a star... Len is potentially a "good" center...

You are thinking with your heart instead of your head, but thats understandable I do the same sometimes.

I feel that I am 100% thinking with my head. I still would not trade Len for him. The Suns biggest strength right now is that they have arguably the best 1-2 center combination in the league. If you trade Len, you destroy that. Plus Len just turned 22 and him learning under Chandler could transform him into an all-star. There are lots of small forwards. The Suns already have one in Warren who looks like a legitimate scorer right now if Hornacek gives him a chance. One year of Golden State winning the title without a dominant post player does not change my mind that historically the NBA is a big man's game and the team's with the best centers win championships. Markieff, Goodwin, picks for George or Warren instead of picks. That is it. The Pacers ask for Len and I laugh them off the phone. He is a franchise center. There is not one team in basketball that would not love to have him on their team.

[oddity]

I feel that I am 100% thinking with my head. I still would not trade Len for him. The Suns biggest strength right now is that they have arguably the best 1-2 center combination in the league. If you trade Len, you destroy that. Plus Len just turned 22 and him learning under Chandler could transform him into an all-star. There are lots of small forwards. The Suns already have one in Warren who looks like a legitimate scorer right now if Hornacek gives him a chance. One year of Golden State winning the title without a dominant post player does not change my mind that historically the NBA is a big man's game and the team's with the best centers win championships. Markieff, Goodwin, picks for George or Warren instead of picks. That is it. The Pacers ask for Len and I laugh them off the phone. He is a franchise center. There is not one team in basketball that would not love to have him on their team.

I understand why you love Len so much right now, but when we look at potential, we have to look at what the ceiling of said potential in order to quantify it. Alex has a very high ceiling. Realistic best case scenario he's a Tyson Chandler-type w/ a jumpshot, which is an All-Star no question. With that being said, is that realistic cieling better than what Paul George is? Remember that before the injury he was a top 10 player in the NBA, and he has a very good chance of returning to full form. Not to mention he's 25 and probably hasn't completely peaked yet, because his growth spurts gradually had him moving position over his career. So if we look at Len for George I see a player who might be an All-Star if he reaches his ceiling vs a sure fire AS who's arguably better now (disregarding injury) than that ceiling.

That being said, the injury thing is a huge turnoff, but the article we were talking about has the trade mid season, and assumes PG returns to full form (which seems probable), so in that case I'd totally trade Len for him. No way in all that is sacred would I trade what Deadpoolio was suggesting, but 1upz proposal is pretty reasonable.