2019 Heat Offseason thread 4.0- Yimmy and the Kids!

[Kobewade11]

Nah I think he knew Westbrook's had almost no trade value. That's why he wanted to package PG13+WB to the Raptors. In the end he decided to collect everything from the PG13 trade and we will just send you Russ for nothing.

sounds like a plan

[twix2500]

lol that's terrible for us. If you give me a first then I would do it.

I like it for the Wolves though

and the Heat should take 2pat, even if I'm SO disappointed by him since he came to OKC, he has a low salary and if somehow he can shoot again he could help to stretch the floor.

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.
I hope Pat Riley will wait longer to see what Oklahoma can do next season by paying $ 41,358,814 to Russell Westbrook at 32 years of age. By then, Oklahoma will have to eat Westbrook and his contract with a piece of bread. Dwyane Wade is one of the three best guards of all time in the NBA and does not depend on his athleticism, unlike Russell. How much money did we offer Dwyane Wade when he was 34? Do you see where I'm going with this? If Miami offers any of our young players as part of this transaction, or a first-round pick, I do not want to see Pat Riley anymore on our team.

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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[AirP.]

Be patient, don't give up assets, you're bidding against yourself.

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[twix2500]

If the Heat can fix Westbrook problems it will carry over to he is 34. Westbrook can be just as good or better than Wade was at this age to 34 if his game is fixed. Westbrook as far as I know doesn't have any chronic injuries?? So physically he should decline better than Wade.

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[twozeroMM]

I know it's a different team we're dealing with, but we heard the same stuff about Butler getting traded to Miami last year being inevitable. Nothing in the NBA is inevitable.

[JLop]

and the Heat should take 2pat, even if I'm SO disappointed by him since he came to OKC, he has a low salary and if somehow he can shoot again he could help to stretch the floor.

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.
I hope Pat Riley will wait longer to see what Oklahoma can do next season by paying $ 41,358,814 to Russell Westbrook at 32 years of age. By then, Oklahoma will have to eat Westbrook and his contract with a piece of bread. Dwyane Wade is one of the three best guards of all time in the NBA and does not depend on his athleticism, unlike Russell. How much money did we offer Dwyane Wade when he was 34? Do you see where I'm going with this? If Miami offers any of our young players as part of this transaction, or a first-round pick, I do not want to see Pat Riley anymore on our team.

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

[Dadouv47]

I know it's a different team we're dealing with, but we heard the same stuff about Butler getting traded to Miami last year being inevitable. Nothing in the NBA is inevitable.

Yup you guys are taking the risk that a team that wasn't willing to trade for Westbrook start being interested seeing that garbage offer (one that can offer more or say to OKC to wait December). Gambling by not offering ANY asset could work though

[twix2500]

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.
I hope Pat Riley will wait longer to see what Oklahoma can do next season by paying $ 41,358,814 to Russell Westbrook at 32 years of age. By then, Oklahoma will have to eat Westbrook and his contract with a piece of bread. Dwyane Wade is one of the three best guards of all time in the NBA and does not depend on his athleticism, unlike Russell. How much money did we offer Dwyane Wade when he was 34? Do you see where I'm going with this? If Miami offers any of our young players as part of this transaction, or a first-round pick, I do not want to see Pat Riley anymore on our team.

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

If he plays well it's not a bad contract. Stars are gonna be paid more than that. Cap is gonna increase salaries as a whole is gonna increase. If you want a star that is how much they are gonna get paid. By that time average players could be hitting the 30s. We should all be use to this by now. As long as he plays well at 34.

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[HIF]

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.
I hope Pat Riley will wait longer to see what Oklahoma can do next season by paying $ 41,358,814 to Russell Westbrook at 32 years of age. By then, Oklahoma will have to eat Westbrook and his contract with a piece of bread. Dwyane Wade is one of the three best guards of all time in the NBA and does not depend on his athleticism, unlike Russell. How much money did we offer Dwyane Wade when he was 34? Do you see where I'm going with this? If Miami offers any of our young players as part of this transaction, or a first-round pick, I do not want to see Pat Riley anymore on our team.

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

You're confusing bad and expensive. It's definitely expensive. It may not be bad.

JJ's contract is bad.

[Dadouv47]

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

If he plays well it's not a bad contract. Stars are gonna be paid more than that. Cap is gonna increase salaries as a whole is gonna increase. If you want a star that is how much they are gonna get paid. By that time average players could be hitting the 30s. We should all be use to this by now. As long as he plays well at 34.

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It's all about his knees. If they are ''ok'' it won't be such a bad contract.

Load management wouldn't be a bad idea for Russ (even if he certainly won't like it)

[MiamiLoyal926]

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

If he plays well it's not a bad contract. Stars are gonna be paid more than that. Cap is gonna increase salaries as a whole is gonna increase. If you want a star that is how much they are gonna get paid. By that time average players could be hitting the 30s. We should all be use to this by now. As long as he plays well at 34.

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We all keep circling around the fact that this is a trade clearly surrounded by risk. You do not pay a premium for a risk. Shoot, OKC sees the writing on the wall and blew it up before it got bad for them... let’s not be the fools who buy their depreciating gold on yesterday’s price.

[AirP.]

I know it's a different team we're dealing with, but we heard the same stuff about Butler getting traded to Miami last year being inevitable. Nothing in the NBA is inevitable.

That was a little bit different situation, the owner liked to "block" some trades, his blocking of the initial offer for Butler cost him LaVine(coming off injury) and Markkanan(had to switch draft picks) instead of just Wiggins, this is how an owner can either can make a franchise good or bad and the Timberwolves have been bad for 1 1/2 decades now.

[RexBoyWonder]

Assuming we give up no young guys, the real question becomes - Who the hell starts?

Herro's shooting will be much needed, Justise really needs minutes at PG to keeping growing. Waiters has an ego, Can Westbrook work off the ball?

[islandHEAT]

RW contract is very very large but I think we will only really feel it in that last year and at that point its a massive expiring. I don't think a 33 year old RW is going to be hobbled and will still be effective especially if there is growth with our younger guys.

I think the singular hold up is that OKC is willing to accept expirings/salary match but doesn't want to give up a pick to move him and CLE is wants that pick to trade the JR contract. This has been mentioned here before but I really believe that's what the hold up is and it makes sense.

[greg4012]

Assuming we give up no young guys, the real question becomes - Who the hell starts?

Herro's shooting will be much needed, Justise really needs minutes at PG to keeping growing. Waiters has an ego, Can Westbrook work off the ball?

If we keep Waiters and the youth, the best dynamic might actually be to have Waiters starting. He needs to buy into his off-ball role but his shooting will be valuable in the starting lineup. That creates a scenario where Winslow is the primary back up at PG while also getting rotation minutes at the 2 and 3. Essentially Winslow being our super-6th man.

PG: Westbrook - Winslow - Nunn
SG: Waiters - Herro/Winslow
SF: Butler - Winslow - KZ

Winslow starting at the 2 may also make sense, but it would create more of a logjam for capitalizing on the shooting offered by Waiters and Herro.

[Kobewade11]

Assuming we give up no young guys, the real question becomes - Who the hell starts?

Herro's shooting will be much needed, Justise really needs minutes at PG to keeping growing. Waiters has an ego, Can Westbrook work off the ball?

I'd imagine Dion is gone. If everyone else is in tact they'd probably give Winslow first crack at starting, playing the Odom/Iguodala point forward/primary defender role. All these guys will play and minutes will be staggered so who starts vs. who closes probably isnt too big of a deal.

[JLop]

I'm not a Russ fan, but he only a bad contract if he plays badly. The Heat are not trading for him with the idea he gonna be a bad player. If the Heat can get him to play the way he should play then it's worth the deal. I get it we expect him to be bad, but if that is the case then you don't trade for him at all.

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Russell Westbrook
Age: 32 Salary = $41,358,814
Age: 33 Salary = $44,211,146
Age: 34 Salary = $47,063,478

Russell Westbrook is a bad contract.

You're confusing bad and expensive. It's definitely expensive. It may not be bad.

JJ's contract is bad.

When a player receives a salary like this at his age, it is considered a bad contract. We are not getting a young Russell, his game does not age well. James Johnson is a bad contract, but we can play without him. The Miami Heat can not play without almost half the salary cap. I'm not against Russell in Miami, but if we have to send a young player or a first-round pick, then I'm against it.

[CWebb2491]

waiting for something, anything,,,,,,,

[Heat3]

I know it's a different team we're dealing with, but we heard the same stuff about Butler getting traded to Miami last year being inevitable. Nothing in the NBA is inevitable.

What team is Butler on now? It was inevitable. Just took a detour first

[The Bunk]

Jimmy and Eastbrook expire the same offseason?

I mean, think about it.... About 34 years old for both guys. That's going to be almost $90 million off the books. We'll be able to go after 2-3 max players that summer.