RealGM

Iron Mantis wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:

rajajackal wrote:randle happening to be good while rj happens to be bad does not mean people are criticizing rj because they are randle stans. i only stan my team. that's why i could go from ripping into randle when he played selfish low effort ball to admiring him when he puts together an all-star season. frankly, i was never even hard on rj until this year. the heat is coming on now because he hasn't improved and got paid. if he breaks out tomorrow i'll be very happy. but part of what i'm seeing is a low ceiling (which is different than showing elite talent but being too young to put it together)

I am critical of RJ myself but, the people leading the charge against RJ are Standles(rob/3thm). They act like Randle is an infallible God while RJ should be tarred and feathered. Randle was not even as good as RJ at the same age. It's ridiculous.

RJ needs to be more consistent and efficient. Less selfish at times. That's all. Randle has 2 good seasons in his career worth talking about. 2.5 counting the half a good season he had for NOP. He's been in the league for NINE YEARS! He has also had two god awful seasons as a Knick when he was years older than RJ is now. Context and perspective be damned. Agendas rule! It is ridiculous and cannot be explained away as anything other than agenda driven slop.

IOW, RJ has time to grow. The years it took Randle to show anything should be given to RJ as well if we are being fair and balanced.

Making sure this doesn’t go unnoticed

GONYK wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

Tron Carter wrote:
It's so obvious he was the best player on the floor last night. This is like hating on Randle after he dropped 46 against the Wizards. Agendas are so f*cking lame. Especially against our own players.

yup...I came away from yesterdays game saying Mitch was the best and most impactful player on the floor. His control of the paint and ability to control the paint has so much value.

I think IQ was a close second but Mitch got my top notch last night with IQ and Randle behind him.

His rebounding has been absolutely sensational. Especially since so much of our offensive strategy relies on him getting offensive boards.

bearadonisdna wrote:

Luv those Knicks wrote:

3toheadmelo wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's just painful to look at.

I'm not an RJ hater, but those numbers. Ouch.

Those are mvp level players . RJ is a 3rd option , comparing him to other 3rd options around the league and I bet he looks pretty good.

mpharris36 wrote:

GONYK wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

yup...I came away from yesterdays game saying Mitch was the best and most impactful player on the floor. His control of the paint and ability to control the paint has so much value.

I think IQ was a close second but Mitch got my top notch last night with IQ and Randle behind him.

His rebounding has been absolutely sensational. Especially since so much of our offensive strategy relies on him getting offensive boards.

It has...he doesn't even stat pad his rebounding

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs?CF=MIN*G*20&dir=D&sort=BOX_OUTS



He's #1 in the league by an entire box out. He's 3.4 per game when Steven Adams is second at 2.3....and a bunch of guys around 2. So he's the best by far.

And then you look at the team rebounds nearly 95% of his box outs and he only gets 60% of those box outs. So a lot of his box outs are generally Randle or the guards getting boards because he's clearing out the opposing big.

He dominates the glass...and then offensives the amount of extra possessions he gets a game for us is huge. 2nd in the league in OFF rebounds per game behind Steven Adams.

Jalen Bluntson wrote:

Iron Mantis wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
I am critical of RJ myself but, the people leading the charge against RJ are Standles(rob/3thm). They act like Randle is an infallible God while RJ should be tarred and feathered. Randle was not even as good as RJ at the same age. It's ridiculous.

RJ needs to be more consistent and efficient. Less selfish at times. That's all. Randle has 2 good seasons in his career worth talking about. 2.5 counting the half a good season he had for NOP. He's been in the league for NINE YEARS! He has also had two god awful seasons as a Knick when he was years older than RJ is now. Context and perspective be damned. Agendas rule! It is ridiculous and cannot be explained away as anything other than agenda driven slop.

IOW, RJ has time to grow. The years it took Randle to show anything should be given to RJ as well if we are being fair and balanced.

Making sure this doesn’t go unnoticed

I am done with this discussion. Just like the DM BS. RJ is young and needs to improve. That's all. Trading him for a legit star makes sense. Lateral moves for older players makes no sense. Will he become an all star? No clue. Does he have time to get there? Plenty. 2-3 more years at least. Writing him off now is just NBA2k level mentality.

It sucks we drafted him at three but, we couldn't get Ja and Zion(can't stay healthy). We missed on Garland? Oh well. He isn't a generational talent? Oh well. He isnt a finished product yet either. That's all. Coming into a PG thread where we beat up the Celtics and seeing a lot of RJ hate is just sad.

Whatever. It really makes no difference anyway. I'm glad we locked up RJ and they will have to watch him play for years to come! Sound familiar?

bearadonisdna wrote:

mpharris36 wrote:

GONYK wrote:
His rebounding has been absolutely sensational. Especially since so much of our offensive strategy relies on him getting offensive boards.

It has...he doesn't even stat pad his rebounding

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs?CF=MIN*G*20&dir=D&sort=BOX_OUTS



He's #1 in the league by an entire box out. He's 3.4 per game when Steven Adams is second at 2.3....and a bunch of guys around 2. So he's the best by far.

And then you look at the team rebounds nearly 95% of his box outs and he only gets 60% of those box outs. So a lot of his box outs are generally Randle or the guards getting boards because he's clearing out the opposing big.

He dominates the glass...and then offensives the amount of extra possessions he gets a game for us is huge. 2nd in the league in OFF rebounds per game behind Steven Adams.

The only thing I’ll argue is his offensive value.
It’s actually the opposite.
Offensive rebounding doesn’t cut it if it’s going to make the offense exponentially more inefficient .

It’s only 1 game of of 3 but the body of work is already there that offense won’t be our calling card with him. Was on the Mitch train for about 15 minutes but have since jumped off until I see how drastic this impending offensive regression is going to be .

3toheadmelo wrote:Knicks are slowly phasing him out of the team since he’s not in the closing lineups anymore. They’ve realized how much of a detriment he is to the team. Can’t play RJ Kanter folks

Read on Twitter

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:The last thing they’ll do is phase him out. But that’s wishful thinking for you

god shammgod wrote:Why do any of you talk to him ? It’s really your fault at this point. Just let him say dumb things to himself. Who cares.

Capn'O wrote:

god shammgod wrote:Why do any of you talk to him ? It’s really your fault at this point. Just let him say dumb things to himself. Who cares.

Where do you fit posting pictures of bears falling out of trees in this equation?

Jalen Bluntson wrote:

rajajackal wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Standles in here trashing RJ at 22 years old is a joke without a punchline. STFU and GTFO. Randle was trash until 25-26 years old. You dudes need to lift your cheek when your talking because you're spewing BS!

RJ needs to put it all together. Whatever that is in the end remains to be seen. You guys would have trashed Randle just the same. Hypocrisy thy name is Standle.

randle happening to be good while rj happens to be bad does not mean people are criticizing rj because they are randle stans. i only stan my team. that's why i could go from ripping into randle when he played selfish low effort ball to admiring him when he puts together an all-star season. frankly, i was never even hard on rj until this year. the heat is coming on now because he hasn't improved and got paid. if he breaks out tomorrow i'll be very happy. but part of what i'm seeing is a low ceiling (which is different than showing elite talent but being too young to put it together)

I am critical of RJ myself but, the people leading the charge against RJ are Standles(rob/3thm). They act like Randle is an infallible God while RJ should be tarred and feathered. Randle was not even as good as RJ at the same age. It's ridiculous.

RJ needs to be more consistent and efficient. Less selfish at times. That's all. Randle has 2 good seasons in his career worth talking about. 2.5 counting the half a good season he had for NOP. He's been in the league for NINE YEARS! He has also had two god awful seasons as a Knick when he was years older than RJ is now. Context and perspective be damned. Agendas rule! It is ridiculous and cannot be explained away as anything other than agenda driven slop.

IOW, RJ has time to grow. The years it took Randle to show anything should be given to RJ as well if we are being fair and balanced.

Iron Mantis wrote:

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:The last thing they’ll do is phase him out. But that’s wishful thinking for you

can you imagine that.

Knicks extend a 22yo to a $100 mil contract because they believe he will develop over the years, and he's "phased out" a few months later, no longer a part of the rotation.

When Randle got his extension,(after being TERRIBLE his first season here) but lost his mind the next season(and was trash then too), the Knicks were patiently supporting him(but Stan's jumped ship) until the end(when Stan jumped back on his dick).

Likewise they will either patiently continue to develop RJ, or trade him in a package for a star so the Knicks can win a championship.

god shammgod wrote:

Capn'O wrote:

god shammgod wrote:Why do any of you talk to him ? It’s really your fault at this point. Just let him say dumb things to himself. Who cares.

Where do you fit posting pictures of bears falling out of trees in this equation?

i'll allow it.

robillionaire wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:

rajajackal wrote:randle happening to be good while rj happens to be bad does not mean people are criticizing rj because they are randle stans. i only stan my team. that's why i could go from ripping into randle when he played selfish low effort ball to admiring him when he puts together an all-star season. frankly, i was never even hard on rj until this year. the heat is coming on now because he hasn't improved and got paid. if he breaks out tomorrow i'll be very happy. but part of what i'm seeing is a low ceiling (which is different than showing elite talent but being too young to put it together)

I am critical of RJ myself but, the people leading the charge against RJ are Standles(rob/3thm). They act like Randle is an infallible God while RJ should be tarred and feathered. Randle was not even as good as RJ at the same age. It's ridiculous.

RJ needs to be more consistent and efficient. Less selfish at times. That's all. Randle has 2 good seasons in his career worth talking about. 2.5 counting the half a good season he had for NOP. He's been in the league for NINE YEARS! He has also had two god awful seasons as a Knick when he was years older than RJ is now. Context and perspective be damned. Agendas rule! It is ridiculous and cannot be explained away as anything other than agenda driven slop.

IOW, RJ has time to grow. The years it took Randle to show anything should be given to RJ as well if we are being fair and balanced.

RJ leads the charge against himself by playing bad basketball. I try not to say anything about him when I don’t have to because his fandom is nuts but he’s been so bad how can I give an honest analysis of the game without saying anything about him? He was terrible. He has been terrible all season. This is all backed up by numbers. I wish it wasn’t the case. I wish he was good so the Knicks could win more. Or even so he’d have a higher trade value. But he hasn’t been. It sucks for all of us.

Capn'O wrote:

god shammgod wrote:

Capn'O wrote:
Where do you fit posting pictures of bears falling out of trees in this equation?

i'll allow it.

Ok good because I have no plans to stop.

3toheadmelo wrote:

robillionaire wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
I am critical of RJ myself but, the people leading the charge against RJ are Standles(rob/3thm). They act like Randle is an infallible God while RJ should be tarred and feathered. Randle was not even as good as RJ at the same age. It's ridiculous.

RJ needs to be more consistent and efficient. Less selfish at times. That's all. Randle has 2 good seasons in his career worth talking about. 2.5 counting the half a good season he had for NOP. He's been in the league for NINE YEARS! He has also had two god awful seasons as a Knick when he was years older than RJ is now. Context and perspective be damned. Agendas rule! It is ridiculous and cannot be explained away as anything other than agenda driven slop.

IOW, RJ has time to grow. The years it took Randle to show anything should be given to RJ as well if we are being fair and balanced.

RJ leads the charge against himself by playing bad basketball. I try not to say anything about him when I don’t have to because his fandom is nuts but he’s been so bad how can I give an honest analysis of the game without saying anything about him? He was terrible. He has been terrible all season. This is all backed up by numbers. I wish it wasn’t the case. I wish he was good so the Knicks could win more. Or even so he’d have a higher trade value. But he hasn’t been. It sucks for all of us.

Yep some people are blind and ignorant when the numbers are right in front of them. They don’t care that he’s hurting the team. They only root for players over the team. Hate to see it. Crack is a very nasty drug!