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[JonHeist]

Don't forget the 28' 1st round swap in that deal

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's as swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys

Also didn’t we get a 2nd rounder this year in the deal? Plus Sims?

correct, #47 in the upcoming draft

[JonHeist]

I'd do kuz/pat for CJ in a heartbeat

pelicans laugh at us tho

[Matches Malone]

Midds and AJ for Kuzma, but yeah, this one is even worse.

Don't forget the 28' 1st round swap in that deal

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

Just adding to what was missed in the trade but go off.

[JonHeist]

Don't forget the 28' 1st round swap in that deal

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

Just adding to what was missed in the trade but go off.

Coulda also mentioned #47 in this draft which has more value than a pretend swap :shrug:

[Matches Malone]

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

Just adding to what was missed in the trade but go off.

Coulda also mentioned #47 in this draft which has more value than a pretend swap :shrug:

The #47 pick? How could I have missed such a pivotal pick.

That pick swap has the potential to do more damage (if things go south by 28') than an already realized late 2nd round pick.

[RiotPunch]

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

Just adding to what was missed in the trade but go off.

Now
Coulda also mentioned #47 in this draft which has more value than a pretend swap :shrug:

Don't be silly.

[paulpressey25]

I guess I never processed a 2028 pick swap. And with the Wizards presumably?

So the nightmare scenario would go:

Portland 5th worst seed
Bucks 8th worst seed
Wizards 12th worst seed

Bucks win lotto and have to swap pick 1 for pick 12?

Do I have that right?

[Bernman]

I guess I never processed a 2028 pick swap. And with the Wizards presumably?

So the nightmare scenario would go:

Portland 5th worst seed
Bucks 8th worst seed
Wizards 12th worst seed

Bucks win lotto and have to swap pick 1 for pick 12?

Do I have that right?

No, cuz we were always losing it to Portland. We'd go from wherever PDX's was to the Wiz'. Still bad. And a lot more valuable than the 47th pick.

All of those 3 assets we gave up were individually more valuable than a Kuzma off a disastrous 1st half. It didn't make sense we had to give up assets/better players when we were buying low. If we liked that as a strategy, & wanted to give up Khris + duck under the 2nd apron, the Wiz should have taken on Pat while we get Kispert, at least. Definitely no AJJ nor pick swap. Horst is an atrocious negotiator.

[emunney]

Not really the same. If we had an Andrew Bynum level talent on the way, then it's an easier sell. It's also an easier sell if you're in Los Angeles. Golden State had picks and was waiting for Klau to get healthy.

Presumably they're already in discussions with their potential FA. The same guys that once they finally landed on playing gave the Pacers everything they could handle.

Obviously, it's a very tough sell but leading with "give us a year and maybe then we can get out of our own way" sounds unacceptable to me at least.

You can't say, "the Bucks are ****" in one breath and then say "I expect Horst to sell this team that that gave the Pacers everything they could handle" in the next.

They're either **** and Giannis should demand out, or they've got a team Horst can sell to Giannis. One or the other.

Again, I'm going with the bolded one. Giannis and many on this board feel differently than me.

Horst's job is to sell the superstar on staying. If that's the teams goal, Why shouldn't I expect him to come up with something better than "we may have an opportunity to be good when you're 32"?

It's extremely easy to come up with that pitch. Here it is: we're leaning into what worked and we're going to be right there as long as you're healthy. Here's the tape of the thing that worked. Look how well it works. It's going to continue to work because the type of player we need is exactly the type of player we've never had trouble recruiting. You're going to be surrounded by hungry, fearless dudes who can shoot the living **** out of the ball. We're going to have fun, we're going to be a new kind of team, and the league is going to be jealous of us again.

[JonHeist]

I guess I never processed a 2028 pick swap. And with the Wizards presumably?

So the nightmare scenario would go:

Portland 5th worst seed
Bucks 8th worst seed
Wizards 12th worst seed

Bucks win lotto and have to swap pick 1 for pick 12?

Do I have that right?

No, cuz we were always losing it to Portland. We'd go from wherever PDX's was to the Wiz'. Still bad. And a lot more valuable than the 47th pick.

All of those 3 assets we gave up were individually more valuable than a Kuzma off a disastrous 1st half. It didn't make sense we had to give up assets/better players when we were buying low. If we liked that as a strategy, & wanted to give up Khris + duck under the 2nd apron, the Wiz should have taken on Pat while we get Kispert, at least. Definitely no AJJ nor pick swap. Horst is an atrocious negotiator.

ur utterly delusional if you think horst coulda just added pat and got krispert back AND not included AJJ or the (fake) swap

like come on

why the hell would the wizards do that???

[tedbrogen]

You can't say, "the Bucks are ****" in one breath and then say "I expect Horst to sell this team that that gave the Pacers everything they could handle" in the next.

They're either **** and Giannis should demand out, or they've got a team Horst can sell to Giannis. One or the other.

Again, I'm going with the bolded one. Giannis and many on this board feel differently than me.

Horst's job is to sell the superstar on staying. If that's the teams goal, Why shouldn't I expect him to come up with something better than "we may have an opportunity to be good when you're 32"?

It's extremely easy to come up with that pitch. Here it is: we're leaning into what worked and we're going to be right there as long as you're healthy. Here's the tape of the thing that worked. Look how well it works. It's going to continue to work because the type of player we need is exactly the type of player we've never had trouble recruiting. You're going to be surrounded by hungry, fearless dudes who can shoot the living **** out of the ball. We're going to have fun, we're going to be a new kind of team, and the league is going to be jealous of us again.

And then Horst will construct a team that has this starting lineup: Sexton, Kuz, Collins, Giannis, Portis…

[pifhluk23]

Would getting CJ McCollum while keeping Dame/Giannis be realistic? Gives us another scorer and Dame-CJ would have the connection already if Dame could make it back end of next season. Middleton gets traded mid season and then bought out
Roll into the playoffs with Dame-CJ-Midds-Giannis-Bobby

That's possibly the worst defensive lineup in nba history. Gives up 125 average and probably 130 to the Pacers. I honestly can't think of a worse offseason then what you just laid out there.

[ShootingtheJ]

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

Just adding to what was missed in the trade but go off.

Coulda also mentioned #47 in this draft which has more value than a pretend swap :shrug:

Phoenix received 5- 2nds for a 2nd swap.

[ShootingtheJ]

Midds and AJ for Kuzma, but yeah, this one is even worse.

Don't forget the 28' 1st round swap in that deal

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

We might be still playing if we had Khris instead of Kuzma.

[BigO]

Don't forget the 28' 1st round swap in that deal

A) we'd be SO f*ucked right now if we were in the 2nd apron and still had khris and a hurt dame

B) it's a swap of a swap, 95% chance it never conveys at all, and it it does it'll probably be like switching the 16th pick for the 18th or smth like that

We might be still playing if we had Khris instead of Kuzma.

Correction: We might still be playing if we had Kuzma and he never got off the bench.

[drone3]

Prefer NAW over Gary if either is in our price range

[pifhluk23]

Is there a world where the Celtics trade JB for Dame + whatever and they just go for the lottery next year and build for the 26/27 season? Could even be a deal where we end up with Jrue too and solve all their cap issues.

They've been known to move off guys early and JB is 29 with a monster contract.

[M-C-G]

MKE in Pat Williams, Javon Carter, 12
CHI in Kuzma, Livingston

Chicago gets out of Williams deal, Bucks bank on the change of scenario and playing along side Giannis to get the most out of him. Carter bridges the gap until Dame is back.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

MKE in Pat Williams, Javon Carter, 12
CHI in Kuzma, Livingston

Chicago gets out of Williams deal, Bucks bank on the change of scenario and playing along side Giannis to get the most out of him. Carter bridges the gap until Dame is back.

Except for one magical season with the Bucks, what has Carter ever done that makes him a guy who could bridge any gap as a reliable rotational player. He played 9 mpg last year and only 14 mpg the year before on bad bulls teams that gave him a decent size contract. I have to imagine there are 25 guys out there that will be better than him on the vet min.

[Ron Swanson]

I'd gladly eat Williams/Carter's contracts to get a late lottery pick. I don't know why you guys would think Chicago has any interest in something like that though. To their credit, they're finally doing a proper multi-year rebuild.