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Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#541 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:07 am

sunny wrote:"let's hope we can get back here next year"
and
"who said I was leaving"

are two comments he just made.


Agents will be calling his family promising millions and he acts like it's a dumb question. If he's smart he'll reconsider. He can't improve his percentages or stock much. If they run into a hot team in the tourney next year they could get knocked out early. He might not even be playing if he has an injury. I don't care what recruits they are bringing in...it's a single elimination basketball tournament. He can give back to Arizona once he gets a big NBA contract.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#542 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:12 am

yeah i doubt D.Williams goes #1/2 next year if he stays. You cant risk that.
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Post#543 » by sunny » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:12 am

which is why I think he SHOUlD go. I think its in his best interest to go as well.
With that said, Derrick's situation is extremely unique considering his past, and the situation of Arizona basketball. He also comes from a great family with a very level headed mom.

If he wants to come back, Ill accept it with open arms but I think its a better choice for him to go pro.

Although if hes back, I'd enjoy having AZ being ranked number 1.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#544 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:18 am

I'm excited to watch Indiana's Fab Five (potential Super Six) in the 2012-13 season.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#545 » by prototype » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:23 am

I wasn't this invested into past draft's but does it happen every year that draft picks say they'll go back but ends up bailing?
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Post#546 » by sunny » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:25 am

prototype wrote:I wasn't this invested into past draft's but does it happen every year that draft picks say they'll go back but ends up bailing?

yes, almost everybody who comes from a top program says they are likely to stay.
although Sullinger looks like he is actually staying.
Most end up declaring.
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Post#547 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:25 am

prototype wrote:I wasn't this invested into past draft's but does it happen every year that draft picks say they'll go back but ends up bailing?


yes, Durant even said it. The potential lockout does scare me a bit though.
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Post#548 » by sunny » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:31 am

Damn, I really hope Dwill goes number 1 in the draft. For what he's done for the city of Tuscon and the University of Arizona, he deserves a lot of credit.

Most people don't realize how little was left at Arizona before Sean Miller came. The fact he was able to get AZ into the elite 8 in his second year (without any of his recruits too) without a proper roster is a testament to how incredible Sean and Derrick really are.
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Post#549 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:26 am

When Derrick Williams picked up his 2nd foul in the 1st half, Arizona looked completely lost. Really, he was their entire team, and he nearly carried them all the way to the FF. UConn was just a bit better.
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Post#550 » by Silk Wilkes » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:46 am

Damn family came over and I missed the UConn/Arizona game. Did I miss anything really good?
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#551 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:52 am

Youngblood wrote:Damn family came over and I missed the UConn/Arizona game. Did I miss anything really good?


It was a good game. But, nothing that you already didn't know about the prospects.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#552 » by Silk Wilkes » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:56 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Youngblood wrote:Damn family came over and I missed the UConn/Arizona game. Did I miss anything really good?


It was a good game. But, nothing that you already didn't know about the prospects.


Ok thanks. I'll just check the highlights out then instead of trying to find the entire game replay.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#553 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:42 am

Harrison Barnes spoke today about why he may have struggled to begin the season and how he feels his game has improved.

“The college game was so much different from high school,” Barnes explained.


“Coming from a system at Ames High where I was so influential to not only the team, but kind of the coaching of the team ‹ from the standpoint of, I could run my own plays. I had the ball in my hands. I could dominate a basketball game if needed to; that’s how the team kind of ran.


“(From that), to a system where if you don’t have the ball, you have to come off screens, you have to set picks and different stuff like that. You’ve got to learn how to play college-level defense. Now defense at this level is second-nature to me. I can do it like snapping my fingers ... now you’re able to go out there and just play the game.”


Barnes totes a wingspan that’s roughly 7-feet

“People underestimate him,” noted John Henson. “But he knows how to use his length, and he’s hard to score on.”


Barnes became the first North Carolina freshman to score 20 points in each of his first three NCAA Tournament games.

Ever. Think about that for a minute.

10th straight tilts with at least 16 points; The Heels are 15-0 when Barnes nets 17 or more points. They may not necessarily go as he goes. But they wouldn’t have gotten this far without him, either.

Said Barnes: “I just try to do the little things — try to play really good defense, try to rebound, and try to provide energy for my team, even though I wasn’t able to score early.”

The 6-foot-8 forward has been credited with seven game-winning or go-ahead shots this winter, including one in the victory against Washington that clinched a berth in the Sweet 16.

“I feel I can carry the burden if you miss that shot,” was how Harrison Barnes explained it Saturday afternoon. “That’s why I have no problem taking the shot. If you’ve put in enough work, you’ve shot the shot a million times, you have no problem shooting it again.”


From Jan. 13 through March 13, in the eight Carolina games that were decided by single digits, Barnes went a combined 12-for-17 from the field in the final four minutes.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#554 » by TheRealDeal » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:45 am

Barnes also spoke about his future. It may turn you into a UNC fan. We need Barnes to declare for depth in the top 5.

“I don’t know what to make of that,” the Ames High alum said Thursday at Prudential Center “There’s always going to be speculation, no matter what happens. My focus right now is just on the NCAA Tournament and making sure this team goes as far as we can go.


And after the season, I’ll talk about that with coach (Roy Williams) and my family.”


Barnes is keeping his cards tucked firmly against his chest

“I never really talk to him about it,” teammate Reggie Bullock said — but those close to him have said how long the Tar Heels dance will be a factor in his decision-making process.


Word on the street is that the sexier North Carolina’s season winds up, the more likely Barnes takes the plunge. The small forward’s top priority is a national title, a shot to carve his own notch on the long bedpost of Carolina greats. But here’s where the gray area comes in. The Heels already won a share of the ACC’s regular-season title. How good is good enough? An Elite Eight? A Final Four? Say those dreams become a reality in Year One. Will there be a Year Two?

“I think it is (a factor),” Barnes said before the Heels’ off-day practice session Thursday. “Because obviously I won two state championships (at Ames). From afar, I’ve seen how it feels to win a national championship. But if you don’t (do it), you have to analyze the situation and do what’s best for you and your family.


“I think that you always want to win national championships — that’s one of
the reasons I came here. But once you’ve done that, I think, you’ve done your duty.”


Leader’s NBA Draft guru, Chad Ford, rates Barnes as the fourth-best player available and a certain top-10 selection. On Wednesday, the website NBADraft.net projected him as the No. 2 overall pick, snatched up by the Timberwolves.

“I mean, it’s a mock draft,” Barnes said. “I’m not exactly going to walk in tomorrow and put on a hat. I don’t put much stock in all that.”



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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#555 » by fredericklove » Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:58 am

you have to analyze the situation and do what’s best for you and your family.


nice, that tone sounds like he would declare.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#556 » by CunningLinguist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:11 pm

MEDIC wrote:
So Clutch wrote:
Comeatme_Bro wrote:If only Kemba was a few inches taller...


it doon't matter


I was thinking the same thing. If only he was a few inches taller, then what???

It would be a nice perk, but a PG is a PG.

Chris Paul doesn't seem to have any trouble.

Kemba is the best pure PG outside of Irving in my mind. He's got great vision, but the lack of talent on his team turns him into more of a scorer. I think he's going to be one of the best picks in the draft if he gets picked 5 or later.


And if he was 3 inches taller he wouldn't have the same change of direction ability.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#557 » by CunningLinguist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:31 pm

prototype wrote:Williams put the theory of him playing SF to rest. If he had the skills, he could have broken his man down for a three or did a pull up. He was being defended by a PF so it should have been easy if he had the skills.


That's the thing. When people talk about Williams' ability to hit threes, it's on open looks rather than creation off the dribble. Barnes has shown that he can create with a couple dribbles and the step back (though he still needs to show he can get to the rim off the dribble). I don't see the SF skills from Williams either. If he didn't have a high 3 point % on open looks, nobody would be talking about him as a small forward.

As a PF, he has problems with length. I stand by my comparison to a more athletic Antawn Jamison. While that is still a good player, that's not game changing enough to be in the top few picks of the draft. He also doesn't have enough passing skills to make his teammates better at the next level.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#558 » by CunningLinguist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:43 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:If we want Walker, I think the argument would be that he's more NBA ready than Knight, can step right in and contribute, might even carry us to some wins next season if that's the objective.

Knight is a guy who will need to be developed into the PG role, like a Westbrook or Holiday. So, if we want to contend for the top pick next season in a loaded draft, you go with the upside pick, with an eye towards the bigger picture, when Knight, DeRozan, Davis will all be mature in their games.

Not saying that drafting Walker will prevent us from tanking next season, but I think he'll add a few more wins than Knight right off the bat.


I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, and it really shouldn't factor into the draft decision, but Walker is the exciting kind of player that will put butts in the seats. I know I'd like to watch him play 82 games a year.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#559 » by CunningLinguist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:46 pm

Harry Palmer wrote:Walker? He's one of the older, more NBA-ready prospects.

2 aspects with limited appeal to me in our situation.


Just because he's a junior and id NBA ready doesn't mean he can't still improve.
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Re: Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#560 » by CunningLinguist » Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:48 pm

baulderdash77 wrote:I also like Knight, don't get me wrong. I see in him the potential to be a very good.

Really I'm more and more wanting one of Irving, Barnes, Walker & Knight probably in that order.



Those 4 are the ones I think the Raps will focus on.

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