Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

[HangTime]

OT:

Isn't Thon Maker the 2nd HS player to go in the draft since 2005?

Satnam Singh was drafted out of IMG academy last year.

[BismackonLebron]

Deyonte Davis will be the Norman Powell of this draft mark my words

So Norm was an over-hyped prospect that was projected to get picked in the lottery?

Steal of the draft.

[lolwut]

Totally serious...what's the problem?

For starters, what kind of resources do armchair GMs here have that real NBA GMs don't have access to?

On the flip side, has anybody on this forum attended a draft workout? Interviewed a prospect?

The assertion that there is any kind of consensus on this forum is, in of itself, asinine. Perhaps you don't know what "consensus" means.

Don't know what consensus means? I have an idea...**** off!

What are you, 12?

[JShuttlesworth]

According to analytics (consensus of various models: http://www.tothemean.com/tools/draft-models/#/2016/dv2/all), he ranked as the 16th best prospect. If you factor in Masai's prioritization of character, work ethic, motor, defense, etc. (not always measurable in the stats), he obviously would be much higher on Masai's board. I'm not a proponent of drafting based on stats, but it is interesting nonetheless.

Love how high Poeltl is on most of those boards too.

Some people don't believe it just yet, but I think we are going to be happy with the way this draft turned out a couple years down the road. Masai has drafted players with the right attitude and work ethic the last couple of years. I think that both Poeltl and Siakam are going to be serviceable players for us - If they can play D, Casey will give them minutes - Just given our lack of depth at the PF, they should get their chance.

[Veggamattic]

For starters, what kind of resources do armchair GMs here have that real NBA GMs don't have access to?

On the flip side, has anybody on this forum attended a draft workout? Interviewed a prospect?

The assertion that there is any kind of consensus on this forum is, in of itself, asinine. Perhaps you don't know what "consensus" means.

Don't know what consensus means? I have an idea...**** off!

What are you, 12?

Clearly you must have thought so or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment.

[BismackonLebron]

Lots of anger in this thread. Lol. I think alot of us are just frustrated with Masai's annual draft reach that doesn't pan out. On the bright side he at least knows how to put together a winning team!

[lolwut]

over the years the consensus on this forum has been as accurate if not more accurate than most GM's in the league.

Don't know what consensus means? I have an idea...**** off!

Clearly you must have thought so or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment.

[theSkinny]

Vegg you need to concede your faulty argument,


Your talk with sub likely took place during the Babcock era, and then yes we would have a better grasp then him and his staff.

Now, you may seem to forget Masai's roots.. He was a scout, and a well regarded one and continues to demonstrate he knows what he is doing.

Add in all the new ways to evaluate players, there is zero conceivable notion that any of us would ever have a better handle on players.

I can't speak on all teams, but I personally have never felt more confidence in the Raps ability to evaluate prospects in the history of the team.

Each time you have attempted to extend this argument of yours you are are digging a deeper (and borderline baiting, name calling) just accept that you are wrong and move on.

[Patman]

over the years the consensus on this forum has been as accurate if not more accurate than most GM's in the league.

Don't know what consensus means? I have an idea...**** off!

Clearly you must have thought so or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous comment.

It's no use, man. You just gotta ignore these guys.

[Anticon]

No...I'll criticize whenever I want. Are you trying to say people should never question and speculate on decisions? There is no way that I need to hear people telling me when I can criticize things. I am criticizing your post right now and it's making me happy. Plus, you are giving scouts and GM's to much credit...over the years the consensus on this forum has been as accurate if not more accurate than most GM's in the league.

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

If you'd listened to RealGM, this team might have drafted Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond or Bobby Portis.

We might also have drafted Gerald Green, Antoine Wright, Brandon Jennings, or Brandon Knight. But I think on the whole the board has a decent record.

[RonaldArtest]

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

If you'd listened to RealGM, this team might have drafted Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond or Bobby Portis.

We might also have drafted Gerald Green, Antoine Wright, Brandon Jennings, or Brandon Knight. But I think on the whole the board has a decent record.

We wouldve gutted our whole roster for Rubio. Or I believe we'd collectively die trying.

[ATLTimekeeper]

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

If you'd listened to RealGM, this team might have drafted Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond or Bobby Portis.

We might also have drafted Gerald Green, Antoine Wright, Brandon Jennings, or Brandon Knight. But I think on the whole the board has a decent record.

Don't forget the legends Willie Warren and Bill Walker. The board always goes for the same profiles every year.

[Pass it]

He said he only started playing basketball 4-5 years ago. Chriss also started organized ball about 5 years ago. But both these guys are way ahead of Bruno.

[notsla refar]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but apparently his shot has improved a lot over the last year.

Also had 25 double doubles in 31 games. I'm excited about this pick and think he'll do some damage for us this year, especially if Biz doesn't come back.

He's made 39 jumpers (out of 90 attempted) at a 43.3 percent clip this season, according to Synergy.

"The main thing that impressed me on him was the fact that he made the big leap in improvement hitting the 12- to 15-foot jumper," a scout told B/R. "Last year, he was a guy that didn’t shoot that shot and now he's a guy who has a very good-looking jump shot."

... (He) had 26 points and 10 rebounds at Baylor, which boasts one of the top front lines in college basketball.

"He's definitely an NBA-caliber player," Baylor coach Scott Drew told Bleacher Report. "The thing that sticks out to me is how much he's improved in the last year. The first time we played him [in 2014-15], he spent most of his time in the paint.

"But this season he moved away from the basket. He was putting the ball on the floor, taking longer jumpers—but still mixing it up down low, too. He's got a more versatile skill set now, which makes him dangerous because it means he can play multiple positions."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2622680-new-mexico-states-pascal-siakam-is-the-best-player-youve-never-heard-of

[Veggamattic]

Vegg you need to concede your faulty argument,


Your talk with sub likely took place during the Babcock era, and then yes we would have a better grasp then him and his staff.

Now, you may seem to forget Masai's roots.. He was a scout, and a well regarded one and continues to demonstrate he knows what he is doing.

Add in all the new ways to evaluate players, there is zero conceivable notion that any of us would ever have a better handle on players.

I can't speak on all teams, but I personally have never felt more confidence in the Raps ability to evaluate prospects in the history of the team.


Each time you have attempted to extend this argument of yours you are are digging a deeper (and borderline baiting, name calling) just accept that you are wrong and move on.

You have no basis to say I am wrong. I have accumulated data and assessed comments and opinions over the years and even though some GM's do a pretty good job, many don't. Usually, after a bunch of discussion the opinions that are left as consensus are very accurate. IMO more accurate than the average GM. What makes you think the type of minds that we have amassed on this board over the years is not capable of coming to an accurate consensus? To act like it's not plausible is just stupid.

I'm not wrong and you have no right to state it like it has any objectivity.

I have not baited anyone and the guy that was responding was rude before I ever spoke to him. He called me asinine and asked if I knew what the word consensus is like I was a freakin' moron. I may not have responded with perfect manners but I didn't start it.

[vaff87]

Lots of anger in this thread. Lol. I think alot of us are just frustrated with Masai's annual draft reach that doesn't pan out. On the bright side he at least knows how to put together a winning team!

Huh? He didn't reach last year, and both players are good.

[lorax]

Although there are many fine contributors on this forum, (I have learned much from many a discussion), consensus rarely occurs especially on an anonymous internet forum.





I like the results of this draft.

[S.W.A.N]

Lots of anger in this thread. Lol. I think alot of us are just frustrated with Masai's annual draft reach that doesn't pan out. On the bright side he at least knows how to put together a winning team!

Huh? He didn't reach last year, and both players are good.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument

[vaff87]

You cannot be serious.

Totally serious...what's the problem?

If you'd listened to RealGM, this team might have drafted Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond or Bobby Portis.

We might also have drafted Gerald Green, Antoine Wright, Brandon Jennings, or Brandon Knight. But I think on the whole the board has a decent record.

No idea why people here think Bobby Portis is good.

[team edward]

Although there are many fine contributors on this forum, (I have learned much from many a discussion), consensus rarely occurs especially on an anonymous internet forum.





I like the results of this draft.

There is often consensus in hindsight. i assume that is what you were getting at with your picture.