Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Bornstellar]

3 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
After 25 seasons in charge, 22 trips to the playoffs and those five titles, Popovich will naturally leave his post how and whenever he chooses. He has earned that right. Chances are we won’t hear from him on any topic until training camp begins, but it’s fair to say — with less than 40 days until camps open leaguewide — that there is far more chatter circulating about the Spurs’ attempts to barge their way into the Ben Simmons trade sweepstakes than Pop’s future.

Hmm...

[MoneyTalks41890]

3 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
After 25 seasons in charge, 22 trips to the playoffs and those five titles, Popovich will naturally leave his post how and whenever he chooses. He has earned that right. Chances are we won’t hear from him on any topic until training camp begins, but it’s fair to say — with less than 40 days until camps open leaguewide — that there is far more chatter circulating about the Spurs’ attempts to barge their way into the Ben Simmons trade sweepstakes than Pop’s future.

Hmm...

Spurs are my favorite landing spot for Ben if they’re willing to somewhat reshape the roster. White and McDermott are solid fits. Maybe the deal involves Murray+Keldon+ pick(s)?

[zimpy27]

3 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
After 25 seasons in charge, 22 trips to the playoffs and those five titles, Popovich will naturally leave his post how and whenever he chooses. He has earned that right. Chances are we won’t hear from him on any topic until training camp begins, but it’s fair to say — with less than 40 days until camps open leaguewide — that there is far more chatter circulating about the Spurs’ attempts to barge their way into the Ben Simmons trade sweepstakes than Pop’s future.

Hmm...

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

[Chinook]

3 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
After 25 seasons in charge, 22 trips to the playoffs and those five titles, Popovich will naturally leave his post how and whenever he chooses. He has earned that right. Chances are we won’t hear from him on any topic until training camp begins, but it’s fair to say — with less than 40 days until camps open leaguewide — that there is far more chatter circulating about the Spurs’ attempts to barge their way into the Ben Simmons trade sweepstakes than Pop’s future.

Hmm...

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Morey is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

[zimpy27]

Hmm...

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

[jpatrick]

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

With Lillard and Beal staying put, if the 76ers want to get their win-now pieces immediately, I think it’ll be Spurs or Kings. Both have very good guards that are a much better fit with Philadelphia than Simmons.

The wildcard being MN. They could give quality but lesser guards (Pat Bev and Beasley) but would probably be willing to give up more future draft assets than the Kings/Spurs. This would be helpful if Morey’s ultimate plan is to make another run at Lillard/Beal at the trade deadline.

MN is not in California but Simmons is close with Towns and DLo, so I can’t imagine he’s be too discontented.

[zimpy27]

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

With Lillard and Beal staying put, if the 76ers want to get their win-now pieces immediately, I think it’ll be Spurs or Kings. Both have very good guards that are a much better fit with Philadelphia than Simmons.

The wildcard being MN. They could give quality but lesser guards (Pat Bev and Beasley) but would probably be willing to give up more future draft assets than the Kings/Spurs. This would be helpful if Morey’s ultimate plan is to make another run at Lillard/Beal at the trade deadline.

MN is not in California but Simmons is close with Towns and DLo, so I can’t imagine he’s be too discontented.

I think the Minny package has to be DLo and McDaniels. 76ers would bank on DLo, Thybulle, McDaniels, Harris, Embiid being a solid playoff lineup.

[cool93]

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

Can you give a link to his comments, please?

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[zimpy27]

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

Can you give a link to his comments, please?

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They were reported by a guy named Jason Dumars who used to work for 76ers as a beat writer and who reported the Rivers signing in Philly first. I cant remember if he wrote it or stated it on a program. But that should be enough info for you to go by to find it.

[azwfan]

I agree that the Spurs are the best bet to land Simmons if they go after him full force. They don't have a premium prospect / asset to protect so I don't see a reason for anyone on their roster to be off the table, and they have a better collection win-now pieces (as primary value).

I'd say Minnesota is 2nd. They have a high desire to improve, and swapping D'lo for Simmons would be a huge improvement. For them I think its just a matter of who and how much they would need to give up. They may need a 3rd team to turn picks / youngsters into win-now.

Sacramento has some interesting players but I think they'd need to give up Fox.

I don't see a path for GSW unless they pull in a 3rd team (and overpay in my opinion).

[Rastas]

Spurs , Wolves , Kings and Cavs desperately need to sign him to help get more national televised games.
Whether he stars or bombs he seems to be prime time going by all the threads on him recently.
Plenty haters want to dismiss him but can't help themselves discussing anything Simmons - feels like its closing in on Lebron level.
Kinda strange since the dude hardly ever says a thing - all speculation

[zimpy27]

Spurs can trade for Simmons and then have 50m capspace next offseason to rebuild further. Maybe add another FA.

[GoBobs]

Wolves out: Pat Bev, Prince, A Edwards, 2 swaps 1 lightly protected pick
Wolves in: Simmons, Bouknight

Wolves get Simmons using Edwards but get Bouknight as a replacement 2 guard

Hornets out: Hayward, Bouknight, 1st round pick from Pelicans
Hornets in: Edwards, Prince, Pat Bev

Hornets upgrade from Bouknight to Edwards

Cavs out: Sexton
Cavs in: Wolves pick swap, lightly protected wolves pick

Cavs punt on Sexton

76ers out: Simmons
76ers in: Sexton, Hayward, wolves pick swap, pelicans first round pick

76ers get a package with a few pick assets and two players that can help win now for Simmons

[Godaddycurse]

Wolves out: Pat Bev, Prince, A Edwards, 2 swaps 1 lightly protected pick
Wolves in: Simmons, Bouknight

Wolves get Simmons using Edwards but get Bouknight as a replacement 2 guard

Hornets out: Hayward, Bouknight, 1st round pick from Pelicans
Hornets in: Edwards, Prince, Pat Bev

Hornets upgrade from Bouknight to Edwards

Cavs out: Sexton
Cavs in: Wolves pick swap, lightly protected wolves pick

Cavs punt on Sexton

76ers out: Simmons
76ers in: Sexton, Hayward, wolves pick swap, pelicans first round pick

76ers get a package with a few pick assets and two players that can help win now for Simmons

Charlotte is not getting Edwards without dealing Ball.

[MUpacersSIC]

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

Can you give a link to his comments, please?

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They were reported by a guy named Jason Dumars who used to work for 76ers as a beat writer and who reported the Rivers signing in Philly first. I cant remember if he wrote it or stated it on a program. But that should be enough info for you to go by to find it.

That guy is a California radio host, and is not even remotely a credible source. His like a million other Twitter guys who just throw stuff out there constantly hoping to get one right eventually. I would not use his comments as anything.

[jpatrick]

Spurs , Wolves , Kings and Cavs desperately need to sign him to help get more national televised games.
Whether he stars or bombs he seems to be prime time going by all the threads on him recently.
Plenty haters want to dismiss him but can't help themselves discussing anything Simmons - feels like its closing in on Lebron level.
Kinda strange since the dude hardly ever says a thing - all speculation

I don’t see Simmons being a fit with the Cavs. They are going to have spacing issues already trying to play Allen and Mobley together.

I could see them being a third team in the deal, however, if Morey has interest in Sexton. They could pick up picks/players from Spurs, Kings, or Wolves and ship Sexton to Philly.

[the_process]

I think Spurs are in best position to get Simmons. All the other teams are trying to hold on to other pieces to get Simmons to fit. Spurs would effectively build with Ben as the core piece and they already went out to get the shooters. They have more to give than other teams

Yeah. The question is basically if they're willing to give up what it takes or if Houston is trying to get them to bid against themselves. The Spurs have win-now pieces and prospects that they aren't protecting. Even eager other teams are trying to rope third teams in to get asset types they lack. The Spurs lack the top asset to knock out their rivals, like Minny with Edwards, but if the Sixers eventually get to the point where they HAVE to deal Ben, the Spurs have a strong chance of being the team that's offering the best deal at the end of the day.

No team outside California will give up a top asset for Simmons because of his comments.

I think Spurs win this unless the Kings give up a good package.

There is a very shady yet conflicting rumor out there now that Ben has no restrictions on where he wants to go, and the reporting that said he did was wrong.

[Sactowndog]

Spurs , Wolves , Kings and Cavs desperately need to sign him to help get more national televised games.
Whether he stars or bombs he seems to be prime time going by all the threads on him recently.
Plenty haters want to dismiss him but can't help themselves discussing anything Simmons - feels like its closing in on Lebron level.
Kinda strange since the dude hardly ever says a thing - all speculation

I don’t think the Kings should do it not because of TV, I think the Kings should do it because it’s a great fit. Simmons gives them the wing stopper they need. With Mitchell and “off night” anchoring your defense you can hide a Hield.

A Haliburton/Simmons pick and roll would be lethal because even if Hali hit’s Simmons on the roll he can still kick it out to shooters in the corners like Hield and Barnes.

[jpatrick]

Spurs , Wolves , Kings and Cavs desperately need to sign him to help get more national televised games.
Whether he stars or bombs he seems to be prime time going by all the threads on him recently.
Plenty haters want to dismiss him but can't help themselves discussing anything Simmons - feels like its closing in on Lebron level.
Kinda strange since the dude hardly ever says a thing - all speculation

I don’t think the Kings should do it not because of TV, I think the Kings should do it because it’s a great fit. Simmons gives them the wing stopper they need. With Mitchell and “off night” anchoring your defense you can hide a Hield.

A Haliburton/Simmons pick and roll would be lethal because even if Hali hit’s Simmons on the roll he can still kick it out to shooters in the corners like Hield and Barnes.

If I was the Kings, I’d move Fox for Simmons right now. Given their current values, the Kings might be able to procure another small asset in the deal too. They’d need to acquire a stretch big to go with Simmons and Holmes.

But a lineup of Mitchell, Haliburton, Barnes, Simmons, and Holmes with Hield and Bagley off the bench could be pretty good.

[FlyingArrow]

Wolves out: Pat Bev, Prince, A Edwards, 2 swaps 1 lightly protected pick
Wolves in: Simmons, Bouknight

Wolves get Simmons using Edwards but get Bouknight as a replacement 2 guard

Hornets out: Hayward, Bouknight, 1st round pick from Pelicans
Hornets in: Edwards, Prince, Pat Bev

Hornets upgrade from Bouknight to Edwards

Cavs out: Sexton
Cavs in: Wolves pick swap, lightly protected wolves pick

Cavs punt on Sexton

76ers out: Simmons
76ers in: Sexton, Hayward, wolves pick swap, pelicans first round pick

76ers get a package with a few pick assets and two players that can help win now for Simmons

I kept reading this thinking, "Every team is losing this trade. What am I missing?" I read right past Edwards. Everyone loses so Hornets can win this trade.