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[LivingLegend]

Windler's lack of burn is puzzling. Shooter with good length who can play some defense. Gee, who could use one of those?...

Not the Cavs apparently. We have zero spacing or shooting threat with Garland out and are on pace for 70pts but the Cavs continue to play Stevens, Goodwin and Rondo.

What's even more stupid is that I have yet to hear a media member address Windler I'm any one of the past 30 interviews with JB.

To your point, feels like an inside issue. Damon Jones is no longer with the organization, so I assume there wasn't another soup incident?

That's what I'm saying something happened because it's incredibly inexplicable.

[toooskies]

Not the Cavs apparently. We have zero spacing or shooting threat with Garland out and are on pace for 70pts but the Cavs continue to play Stevens, Goodwin and Rondo.

What's even more stupid is that I have yet to hear a media member address Windler I'm any one of the past 30 interviews with JB.

To your point, feels like an inside issue. Damon Jones is no longer with the organization, so I assume there wasn't another soup incident?

That's what I'm saying something happened because it's incredibly inexplicable.

His biggest problem is he's a shooter that doesn't shoot. He gets the ball and passes it if he isn't wide open. He's too afraid to make a mistake.

And without Garland/Sexton/Rubio out there, his total lack of playmaking means you have to play Cedi over him.

[LivingLegend]

To your point, feels like an inside issue. Damon Jones is no longer with the organization, so I assume there wasn't another soup incident?

That's what I'm saying something happened because it's incredibly inexplicable.

His biggest problem is he's a shooter that doesn't shoot. He gets the ball and passes it if he isn't wide open. He's too afraid to make a mistake.

And without Garland/Sexton/Rubio out there, his total lack of playmaking means you have to play Cedi over him.

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

[KuruptedCav]

That's what I'm saying something happened because it's incredibly inexplicable.

His biggest problem is he's a shooter that doesn't shoot. He gets the ball and passes it if he isn't wide open. He's too afraid to make a mistake.

And without Garland/Sexton/Rubio out there, his total lack of playmaking means you have to play Cedi over him.

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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[jbk1234]

His biggest problem is he's a shooter that doesn't shoot. He gets the ball and passes it if he isn't wide open. He's too afraid to make a mistake.

And without Garland/Sexton/Rubio out there, his total lack of playmaking means you have to play Cedi over him.

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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I don't know, it seems like Windler has a very, very short leash to me compared to every other player on the roster.

[LivingLegend]

His biggest problem is he's a shooter that doesn't shoot. He gets the ball and passes it if he isn't wide open. He's too afraid to make a mistake.

And without Garland/Sexton/Rubio out there, his total lack of playmaking means you have to play Cedi over him.

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

There was a stretch of 12 games from DEC 30 - JAN 24 where he actually received (somewhat) consistent mins (11min per game). In that stretch he went 14-29 from three. That is 48% FROM THREE. and we banished him for Brandon Goodwin after that!

What...are....we....doing. Literally every young player on the roster has been afforded the chance to get on the court and grow--besides Dylan Windler and he has the skillset we need the most!

[JonFromVA]

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

Okoro and Stevens get on the floor because of their defense which is consistently good. Windler's not a top lottery pick, so he's simply not getting the same investment from the FO. It's all up to JBB, and JBB is hunting wins and barely even has minutes for Dean Wade who was pretty consistent when given consistent minutes.

Anyway, I think LeVert fills a number of roster holes we're struggling with (secondary playmaking, bucket getting). I need to start my deeper dive now that he's on-board and even better we get to see him first hand. I watched highlights from his 42pt game (which I admit is going to paint an overly optimistic picture), but he seems to play with pace and can get buckets in the mid-range. He's not strictly a set shooter like Sexton - (saw him make a step back 3pter), so it's possible his 3pt shooting percentage will improve if he cuts down the difficulty of his shots. Seems to know how to finish.

Oh, and he's not 6'1" ... the NBA has him listed at 6'6", so that should be better for our perimeter switch-ability.

Am I worried about his injury history? Sure, but there are reasons he's available for a 1st and a 2nd and not even a player.

And while LeVert gives us a great alternative if we trade Collin or he wants to leave in free-agency because Detroit (or someone) wants to make him their starting PG; I still don't believe it forces us to do anything. It just leaves us without a gaping hole.

[jbk1234]

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

Okoro and Stevens get on the floor because of their defense which is consistently good. Windler's not a top lottery pick, so he's simply not getting the same investment from the FO. It's all up to JBB, and JBB is hunting wins and barely even has minutes for Dean Wade who was pretty consistent when given consistent minutes.

Anyway, I think LeVert fills a number of roster holes we're struggling with (secondary playmaking, bucket getting). I need to start my deeper dive now that he's on-board and even better we get to see him first hand. I watched highlights from his 42pt game (which I admit is going to paint an overly optimistic picture), but he seems to play with pace and can get buckets in the mid-range. He's not strictly a set shooter like Sexton - (saw him make a step back 3pter), so it's possible his 3pt shooting percentage will improve if he cuts down the difficulty of his shots. Seems to know how to finish.

Oh, and he's not 6'1" ... the NBA has him listed at 6'6", so that should be better for our perimeter switch-ability.

Am I worried about his injury history? Sure, but there are reasons he's available for a 1st and a 2nd and not even a player.

And while LeVert gives us a great alternative if we trade Collin or he wants to leave in free-agency because Detroit (or someone) wants to make him their starting PG; I still don't believe it forces us to do anything. It just leaves us without a gaping hole.

I don't mind Stevens in limited minutes (5-10), and the right situation, but I feel like there's a segment of the fanbase that sees something I do not when it comes to his game. He has no offensive skill set. With Garland and Lauri both out, Windler should've gotten more run. That he did not should be cause for concern either with him, Bickerstaff, or the organization. I'm not panicking over it, but my eyebrows are raised.

[KuruptedCav]

I get that, but the problem is he has had zero time to actually get in the game and comfortable to find his niche. He gets thrown into 1 out of every 8 games for 3 mins.

I just feel like we never gave him a chance. Brandon Goodwin has received more playing time in the past 3 weeks than Dylan Windler has gotten in 3 years.

I just don't get it and the ghosts of Danny Green and Joe Harris past haunt me when thinking about Windler.

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

There was a stretch of 12 games from DEC 30 - JAN 24 where he actually received (somewhat) consistent mins (11min per game). In that stretch he went 14-29 from three. That is 48% FROM THREE. and we banished him for Brandon Goodwin after that!

What...are....we....doing.

I’m not proud of it, but I once fired a guy after 4 weeks.

The time and money spent recruiting, hiring, spent a week on boarding, another bringing him up to speed, then for 3 weeks he needed his hand held and still somehow found ways to always do the opposite of what was needed. We were never going to work.

I went over to the sales team, grabbed a guy who I had one conversation with prior, asked if he wanted a promotion, and he was amazing for the next 5 years with almost no oversight. Exactly what and who I needed.

I took it on the chin on the first one and it was not popular to fire my Digital Marketing Director’s nephew so quickly; but it was the right decision to move on. He’s selling used cars in Tallahassee these days.

What we see is what’s televised. Not the 2x practice time and meetings and everything else that has gone into the JBB/DW relationship.

As for the stretch of 10 games he played in; 26 shots in 119.5 minutes. That’s one shot ever 5 minutes on the court. That is literately his problem.

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[jbk1234]

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

There was a stretch of 12 games from DEC 30 - JAN 24 where he actually received (somewhat) consistent mins (11min per game). In that stretch he went 14-29 from three. That is 48% FROM THREE. and we banished him for Brandon Goodwin after that!

What...are....we....doing.

I’m not proud of it, but I once fired a guy after 4 weeks.

The time and money spent recruiting, hiring, spent a week on boarding, another bringing him up to speed, then for 3 weeks he needed his hand held and still somehow found ways to always do the opposite of what was needed. We were never going to work.

I went over to the sales team, grabbed a guy who I had one conversation with prior, asked if he wanted a promotion, and he was amazing for the next 5 years with almost no oversight. Exactly what and who I needed.

I took it on the chin on the first one and it was not popular to fire my Digital Marketing Director’s nephew so quickly; but it was the right decision to move on. He’s selling used cars in Tallahassee these days.

What we see is what’s televised. Not the 2x practice time and meetings and everything else that has gone into the JBB/DW relationship.


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That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

[LivingLegend]

The ghosts of Green & Harris are there; but how much rope can you give him when his go to with the ball is a pass back to the point guard?

Goodwin is getting burn because he gets the ball moving within the offense and plays solid defense, both on the ball and team.

Catch-Shoot; that is all he needs to do. Trust your teammates that them putting the ball in your hands was the right decision.

Good shot, bad shot, open or defender closing hard. Catch-shoot. Lauri does it. Kevin does it. Cedi does it. The Cavs have Allen and Mobley cleaning up rebounds, just take the shot.

Dylan needs to do it if he wants a place in the league.


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Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

Okoro and Stevens get on the floor because of their defense which is consistently good. Windler's not a top lottery pick, so he's simply not getting the same investment from the FO. It's all up to JBB, and JBB is hunting wins and barely even has minutes for Dean Wade who was pretty consistent when given consistent minutes.

Anyway, I think LeVert fills a number of roster holes we're struggling with (secondary playmaking, bucket getting). I need to start my deeper dive now that he's on-board and even better we get to see him first hand. I watched highlights from his 42pt game (which I admit is going to paint an overly optimistic picture), but he seems to play with pace and can get buckets in the mid-range. He's not strictly a set shooter like Sexton - (saw him make a step back 3pter), so it's possible his 3pt shooting percentage will improve if he cuts down the difficulty of his shots. Seems to know how to finish.

Oh, and he's not 6'1" ... the NBA has him listed at 6'6", so that should be better for our perimeter switch-ability.

Am I worried about his injury history? Sure, but there are reasons he's available for a 1st and a 2nd and not even a player.

And while LeVert gives us a great alternative if we trade Collin or he wants to leave in free-agency because Detroit (or someone) wants to make him their starting PG; I still don't believe it forces us to do anything. It just leaves us without a gaping hole.

To your first point, Stevens/Okoros offense is also consistently horrible and is a large reason why the Cavs struggle to score 95 pts a game without Garland on the floor. Those 2 combine for 44 mins per night and contribute a total of 14ppg.

If you combined Okoro/Stevens into one player--that player averages 14/3/2 on 47%/30%/68% shooting in 44min per night. That player you wouldnt trade more than a top 20 protected 1st rounder for.

To your second point, Wade/Goodwin/Stevens were all UDFAs and even Valentine when he was here who didnt play basketball last season have gotten more investment from the coaching staff than Windler has being the 26th pick in the draft. So I dont think its a draft position issue. Its a hes in a doghouse for a reason none of us know issue.

[KuruptedCav]

Heres the thing your missing--he actually needs to be on the court for more than 1:30 in garbage time to actually start playing and show improvements.

This team has no problem giving 30+ min a night to Okoro over the last 2 years who cant dribble or shoot his way out of a paper bag. How dont we have 15 min per night for Windler again?

There was a stretch of 12 games from DEC 30 - JAN 24 where he actually received (somewhat) consistent mins (11min per game). In that stretch he went 14-29 from three. That is 48% FROM THREE. and we banished him for Brandon Goodwin after that!

What...are....we....doing.

I’m not proud of it, but I once fired a guy after 4 weeks.

The time and money spent recruiting, hiring, spent a week on boarding, another bringing him up to speed, then for 3 weeks he needed his hand held and still somehow found ways to always do the opposite of what was needed. We were never going to work.

I went over to the sales team, grabbed a guy who I had one conversation with prior, asked if he wanted a promotion, and he was amazing for the next 5 years with almost no oversight. Exactly what and who I needed.

I took it on the chin on the first one and it was not popular to fire my Digital Marketing Director’s nephew so quickly; but it was the right decision to move on. He’s selling used cars in Tallahassee these days.

What we see is what’s televised. Not the 2x practice time and meetings and everything else that has gone into the JBB/DW relationship.


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That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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[LivingLegend]

I’m not proud of it, but I once fired a guy after 4 weeks.

The time and money spent recruiting, hiring, spent a week on boarding, another bringing him up to speed, then for 3 weeks he needed his hand held and still somehow found ways to always do the opposite of what was needed. We were never going to work.

I went over to the sales team, grabbed a guy who I had one conversation with prior, asked if he wanted a promotion, and he was amazing for the next 5 years with almost no oversight. Exactly what and who I needed.

I took it on the chin on the first one and it was not popular to fire my Digital Marketing Director’s nephew so quickly; but it was the right decision to move on. He’s selling used cars in Tallahassee these days.

What we see is what’s televised. Not the 2x practice time and meetings and everything else that has gone into the JBB/DW relationship.


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That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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Okoro averages 1 shot every 4 mins on the floor and we play him 29 min per night.

[KuruptedCav]

That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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Okoro averages 1 shot every 4 mins on the floor and we play him 29 min per night.

Yep, and they literately just traded for Caris LeVert because their 21 year old defensive specialist doesn’t shoot enough.

Imagine how they feel about their 25 year old gunner who shoots less…


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[LivingLegend]

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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Okoro averages 1 shot every 4 mins on the floor and we play him 29 min per night.

Yep, and they literately just traded for Caris LeVert because their 21 year old defensive specialist doesn’t shoot enough.

Imagine how they feel about their 25 year old gunner who shoots less…


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A lot of Windlers stats in that 12 game span was still garbage time. 3 mins here, 2 mins there. So I would assume he is not out there launching 3s when he is only in the game to run the clock out half the time.

6 of those 12 games Windler played over 10min. In those games where he played over 10 min he was:

1-3
2-4
1-4
2-5
3-4
1-2

So he is 10-22 shooting when receiving more than 10mins a night. 3.5 attempts per 12-15 min played. You carry that out to starters mins and that is around 7-8 attempts from three per game. Which is more than DG takes and would be #1 on the Cavs.

[jbk1234]

I’m not proud of it, but I once fired a guy after 4 weeks.

The time and money spent recruiting, hiring, spent a week on boarding, another bringing him up to speed, then for 3 weeks he needed his hand held and still somehow found ways to always do the opposite of what was needed. We were never going to work.

I went over to the sales team, grabbed a guy who I had one conversation with prior, asked if he wanted a promotion, and he was amazing for the next 5 years with almost no oversight. Exactly what and who I needed.

I took it on the chin on the first one and it was not popular to fire my Digital Marketing Director’s nephew so quickly; but it was the right decision to move on. He’s selling used cars in Tallahassee these days.

What we see is what’s televised. Not the 2x practice time and meetings and everything else that has gone into the JBB/DW relationship.


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That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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If we're using the analogy of firing a guy after 4 weeks because it's obvious he's not going to work out, then I'd say so. Even a guy like Valentine could've helped against the Rockets and Pistons. Dump Windler's salary on a team like OKC, use it on someone off the waiver wire, and stay under the tax.

[KuruptedCav]

That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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If we're using the analogy of firing a guy after 4 weeks because it's obvious he's not going to work out, then I'd say so. Even a guy like Valentine could've helped against the Rockets and Pistons. Dump Windler's salary on a team like OKC, use it on someone off the waiver wire, and stay under the tax.

You sending the 2022 SAS SRP with Windler to move him?


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[jbk1234]

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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If we're using the analogy of firing a guy after 4 weeks because it's obvious he's not going to work out, then I'd say so. Even a guy like Valentine could've helped against the Rockets and Pistons. Dump Windler's salary on a team like OKC, use it on someone off the waiver wire, and stay under the tax.

You sending the 2022 SAS SRP with Windler to move him?


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You wouldn't have to. Tanking teams take on prospects who underwhelm for free all the times. See, e.g., Hartenstein.

[toooskies]

That's the thing. If the Cavs have arrived at that conclusion, trade him and open up the roster spot. If they have not, he's not going to develop playing 2 minutes of garbage time a night.

Is there a pressing need for the roster spot? A line of people looking to trade for $4 million dollar SG who averaged 1FGA per 5 minutes in the court.


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Okoro averages 1 shot every 4 mins on the floor and we play him 29 min per night.

Okoro's job is point-of-attack defense. But he's a threat to drive and cut. He has a league-average TS% while playing good D. His usage is low, which is fine with there being higher-efficiency scorers all over the floor.

Lamar Stevens's job is mostly defense too, sometimes at the point of attack but frequently against the best wing/forward. But he's shown a pretty good mid-range shot (48% from 10-16 feet this year) and is turning into a decent off-ball cutter, and his usage is creeping up. He's at nearly league-average TS%, which is great from a plus defender. He's doing a nice homeless-man's Aaron Gordon role, except he's not that kind of athlete.

Windler's job is to shoot and he shoots less than the guys whose job is to play defense. He leads the team in foul rate, and while he doesn't play bad defense, you're not putting him on the other team's best player. He's played 343 minutes this year, which is plenty for a guy who isn't doing what he's supposed to be doing on the court. Grabbing LeVert will hopefully give him more time with the Charge to figure out how he's supposed to play. Keep in mind with all the time he's missed, he's still playing like a rookie or 2nd year guy.

Windler's roster spot is almost totally safe through the rest of the year (we have Pangos to waive if we want a buyout guy), but his problem isn't court time. His problem is he's 25 years old and he plays like he's 20. He's only a year younger than Cedi.

[KuruptedCav]

Okoro averages 1 shot every 4 mins on the floor and we play him 29 min per night.

Yep, and they literately just traded for Caris LeVert because their 21 year old defensive specialist doesn’t shoot enough.

Imagine how they feel about their 25 year old gunner who shoots less…


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A lot of Windlers stats in that 12 game span was still garbage time. 3 mins here, 2 mins there. So I would assume he is not out there launching 3s when he is only in the game to run the clock out half the time.

6 of those 12 games Windler played over 10min. In those games where he played over 10 min he was:

1-3
2-4
1-4
2-5
3-4
1-2

So he is 10-22 shooting when receiving more than 10mins a night. 3.5 attempts per 12-15 min played. You carry that out to starters mins and that is around 7-8 attempts from three per game. Which is more than DG takes and would be #1 on the Cavs.

When he receives 10+ mins per game (17 games) he has taken 57 shots in 265 minutes; one ever 4:39mins.

Kevin Love: 2:04
Cedi Osman: 2:32
Lauri Markkanen: 2:40
Caris LeVert: 1:95

When the primary argument for a player is his shooting; he needs to take the shots.


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