SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[KrazySixersD]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Durant-390/

draft express has him at 6'10.25 in shoes and that was after his freshman year at texas where he has grown atleast 3/4 an inch since then

so like i said... 6'11

I could care less about this debate in general, but all players are measured at their true height without shoes, so 6'9" was the accurate height when he was drafted. I have no clue why you think he has grown at least 3/4 of an inch since college, but even if he had, he would still be considered 6'9 - 6'10". In any event, he's tall and he's exceptional. He's just not 6'11"

first off, they always, ALWAYS talk about a players height with his shoes on... so if we arent doing that in this instance, then we need to start listing everyone else an inch shorter..

2nd... durant is taller than when he entered the league, this has also been said numerous times during games by broadcasters.. who have had teamates of durant say so.

and on asik, idk why you are bringing up iguodala when talking about asik, because in that one described scenario, iguodala would still be on the team with ryan anderson and asik..

unless you are talking aobu tthe iguodala for al jefferson and then adding asik which i also think is a good duo at the 4 and 5

[tk76]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Durant-390/

draft express has him at 6'10.25 in shoes and that was after his freshman year at texas where he has grown atleast 3/4 an inch since then

so like i said... 6'11

I could care less about this debate in general, but all players are measured at their true height without shoes, so 6'9" was the accurate height when he was drafted. I have no clue why you think he has grown at least 3/4 of an inch since college, but even if he had, he would still be considered 6'9 - 6'10". In any event, he's tall and he's exceptional. He's just not 6'11"

Stupid though it may be... NBA players official heights are in shoes. How tall exactly do you think ET is barefoot?

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[tk76]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Evan-Turner-1115/

[Gsraider]

first off, they always, ALWAYS talk about a players height with his shoes on... so if we arent doing that in this instance, then we need to start listing everyone else an inch shorter..

2nd... durant is taller than when he entered the league, this has also been said numerous times during games by broadcasters.. who have had teamates of durant say so.

Admittedly, I am not 100% certain of this, but I always thought it was supposed to be listed by the height of the player barefoot. The link below sets forth many of the tallest players ever and how tall they were barefoot, which happens to be their listed height as well. When anyone is measured, it's always barefoot, so why would this be any different? I'm 6'3", but have no clue how tall I am in shoes. If only I was a woman and owned a pair of heels, I could be a giant.

http://nbagiants.webs.com/

As for the claim that Durant is taller than he was in college, I am not disputing this because I have no clue. I can say that I have watched Durant play a ton since he came out and for numerous times it has apparently been said by players and broadcasters, I have not heard it once.

and on asik, idk why you are bringing up iguodala when talking about asik, because in that one described scenario, iguodala would still be on the team with ryan anderson and asik.. unless you are talking aobu tthe iguodala for al jefferson and then adding asik which i also think is a good duo at the 4 and 5

I only brought up Iguodala as an example of a great defender that is maligned because he makes so much money, yet does not provide enough offense. Asik has averaged 13 mpg in his two years in the league, yet you are prepared to pay him a lot more based on the hope that he will flourish if given more opportunities. The reason I mentioned Iguodala is because he gets slammed for his offense and he's at least decent at it. Asik is abysmal on that end and if he gets paid, you can bet that people will start to question what he brings on that end of the court, rather than simply appreciate the great defense he plays for 13 mpg. This is not a knock on Asik either. I wouldn't mind having him as part of the rotation. I just don't think he's the answer either.

[Sixerscan]

Admittedly, I am not 100% certain of this, but I always thought it was supposed to be listed by the height of the player barefoot. The link below sets forth many of the tallest players ever and how tall they were barefoot, which happens to be their listed height as well. When anyone is measured, it's always barefoot, so why would this be any different? I'm 6'3", but have no clue how tall I am in shoes. If only I was a woman and owned a pair of heels, I could be a giant.

It's a fairly accepted fact that most NBA players are listed a good inch taller than they actually are. In fact, basketball is not the only sport that does this. Jimmy Rollins isn't 5'8" any more than Iverson was 6'0".

At least today we have people like Draft Express that record the player's actual height for public knowledge. 10 years ago there was no easy way to find out how tall anyone was.

This "Durant grew an inch" thing is inconsequential. His standing reach when he got drafted was 9'2". Turner's was 8'7.5" Even if he didn't grow an inch, that's 6.5 inches of standing reach. It's not even close.

And he miles more athletic and in general significantly better at basketball.

And FWIW, announcers talk out of their ass all of the time. (Especially national)

[sixerswillrule]

durant is NOT 6'9... hes 6'11

The Oklahoma City Thunder seem to think Durant is 6'9".

http://www.nba.com/thunder/roster/2011

Num Player Pos Ht Wt DOB Prior to NBA/Country Yrs
35 Kevin Durant F 6-9 235 09/29/1988 Texas/USA 4

According to those listings, Michael Beasley is 4 inches taller than Iguodala (he's really 1 inch taller), and Dwyane Wade is only 1 inch taller than Ben Gordon (he's really 3 inches taller).

Basically, what's given on those websites can be pretty off.

[Gsraider]

I always just kind of assumed that heights in the NBA were just inaccurate oftentimes, much like assessed valuations and square footages are on houses. I will often see a player listed at a height and weight that I know are way off, but other times, I'll see one that is spot on. Whatever the case, when I have been measured at the doctor, it's always without my shoes, so I would think that it's really the only accurate way to measure.

[BringBackKorver]

I always just kind of assumed that heights in the NBA were just inaccurate oftentimes, much like assessed valuations and square footages are on houses. I will often see a player listed at a height and weight that I know are way off, but other times, I'll see one that is spot on. Whatever the case, when I have been measured at the doctor, it's always without my shoes, so I would think that it's really the only accurate way to measure.

I recall having this same argument (maybe even with the same people) almost exactly a year ago. I think in terms of actual height, because generally when you get to the NBA that is not variable (ie most players don't grow). Every player has his own shoes, some higher than others, which is why I hate the "they play in shoes that's their height".

Oh well, not worth arguing over...Just know that you're right

[PhilasFinest]

How about we keep this thread open for updates from SF76 an discussions on those updates.

Love going to see if there's new news only to find 2 pages full of bickering over Durant's height.

[ankle420breaker]

SF, we need confirmation on Durant's height

[The Sixer Fixer]

Bill Ingram ‏@TheRocketGuy
Rumor also has it the 76ers are considering using amnesty to unload Elton Brand's final year @ 18mill. Looking to be players in free agency

[Sixerscan]

What a scoop!

[The Sixer Fixer]

Interesting tidbit

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
Andre Drummond has met with Portland, Philadelphia, Charlotte and New Orleans... said meeting went great,

[Sixerlover]

Andre Drummond huh? Obviously means they have a trade offer that has us in the top 5. Must be interviewing him to see if the deal is worth it.

[sixerfan1976]

if they move up its because they like the players they like in addition to the pick which is why i think that rules out golden state.

they like dion waiters but they dont think terrence ross or austin rivers is that much different a player at 15. They dont feel like they have to deal iguodala on draft night although its certainly possible. They are comfortable if they end up picking at 15 and taking Rivers or even a big man like Arnett

just jotting down what their options are......since they do have some flexibility

[Sixerlover]

if they move up its because they like the players they like in addition to the pick which is why i think that rules out golden state.

they like dion waiters but they dont think terrence ross or austin rivers is that much different a player at 15. They dont feel like they have to deal iguodala on draft night although its certainly possible. They are comfortable if they end up picking at 15 and taking Rivers or even a big man like Arnett

just jotting down what their options are......since they do have some flexibility

Maybe I'm higher on Austin Rivers than most, but I really think walking out of this draft with Drummond / Rivers is a franchise changing move for the better. A Jrue / Rivers wing combo with Drummond down low is a great start IF the team is looking to go young

[sixerfan1976]

if they move up its because they like the players they like in addition to the pick which is why i think that rules out golden state.

they like dion waiters but they dont think terrence ross or austin rivers is that much different a player at 15. They dont feel like they have to deal iguodala on draft night although its certainly possible. They are comfortable if they end up picking at 15 and taking Rivers or even a big man like Arnett

just jotting down what their options are......since they do have some flexibility

Maybe I'm higher on Austin Rivers than most, but I really think walking out of this draft with Drummond / Rivers is a franchise changing move for the better. A Jrue / Rivers wing combo with Drummond down low is a great start IF the team is looking to go young

really dont think they are looking to go young tho. looking to take the next step with their flexibility. I dont see us coming out of the draft with more than one top 15 pick.

From what i hear..its really as simple as:
1) trade iguodala for either a scorer or big man
2) amnesty brand and trade for/sign/sign and trade for the part you didnt get from #1

If lou leaves..sign a vet pg

see ya hawes........probably see meeks/lavoy back with team.

[mybestfiend]

Do they really like Meeks? I feel like a replacement for him could easily be found in the second round, Will Buford for example.

[Kobblehead]

See, I'm really not a big fan of Rivers. I think he's decent, but I don't think he can come into the NBA and have a Steph Curry-esch impact. Right now, he doesn't even strike me as a starter. His shooting stroke doesn't seem to be as good as advertised coming out of highschool and he might be the worst defender in the draft.

[Sixerlover]

Maybe I'm higher on Austin Rivers than most, but I really think walking out of this draft with Drummond / Rivers is a franchise changing move for the better. A Jrue / Rivers wing combo with Drummond down low is a great start IF the team is looking to go young

really dont think they are looking to go young tho. looking to take the next step with their flexibility. I dont see us coming out of the draft with more than one top 15 pick.

From what i hear..its really as simple as:
1) trade iguodala for either a scorer or big man
2) amnesty brand and trade for/sign/sign and trade for the part you didnt get from #1

If lou leaves..sign a vet pg

see ya hawes........probably see meeks/lavoy back with team.

Good to hear. That's why I said IF, personally I would rather see them build up as opposed to drop down. The scary part is getting the correct scorer and big man for Dre and Brand, while not sacrificing too much of our defensive identity.

I remember in '01 after we lost in the finals, the knock was we couldn't score enough other than AI, so we made moves in the next couple years for fringe scorers that weren't good defenders at all, and moved us further from the final goal of a title then we were before (Van Horn, Harpring, Coleman, Webber later on etc). I hope we don't go out and trade Dre for a fluke scorer like Bargnani. It would have to be a player that can score, but isn't a matador defensively.