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wonderboy2 wrote:

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:

wonderboy2 wrote:I would love nick johnson in the secound round but again just like you said theres very little chance of him being availble when we pick in the secound round.

If we go perimeter at 16 and 19 then thanks to MR I would like Bairstow. I'm also a Bachynksi fan but I think he goes before we pick in the 2nd.

Imo Bairstow was a beast in college for new mexico but I not sure about his game translating in the pros vs better comp. I love Jordan Bachynski size and shot blocking skills. He can be a valuable asset if we can get him in the secound round with our pick. Hes a shot-blocking machine and guys change thier shots when hes around the rim. He could be the guy in a couple of year that we can throw on the Gasols and Lopezes of the league if he get stronger.Hes 7'3 or 7'2 I believe and is a pretty good athlete for his height. Again I think his stock might began to rise when the combine and workouts began.

As a 4th/5th big I think Bairstow would be fine.

Bachynski would be ideal.

Taj- Mirotic - Noah - Smith - Bachynski

Holy cow, just saw 1 minute of Bachynski highlights. Dude can move for his size!

What's his deal anyways? I see that he's already 24 per draftexpress. There isn't much on him though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jor ... ski-19603/

wonderboy2 wrote:I really hope the bulls draft Jabari brown, he is mad underrated. In terms of finishing the guy is the best sg finsher in this draft. Big guy bounce off of him when he goes to the whole. When I look at guards I look to see if they can finish as that is becoming a lost art even for guards in the NBA. He can also create his own offense mainly due to his strength and good foot work. But his jumper is what impresses me the most, he can shoot the skin off the ball and is tough as nails. To be honest who ever gets Brown is going to get a STEAL. If he was a year younger(21 years old) I feel he would be a lotery pick. I love stauskas as a prospect but I would not mind if the bulls picked Jabari brown.

I also wouldnt mind Jordan Clarkson or Spencer Dinwiddie in the secound aswell.

I like Jabari Brown if we trade down in the first, but not high on Dinwiddie!

dario saric could be considered as a stash pick cuz how many think we will carry 2 first rounders and a second rounder next season?
I think i like jimmer as a backup pg , idk at like his 33% raise like for an expiring FA.
but right now the bulls most urgent rotation need is pg having none on the roster besides rose and te bulls have shown a tendecny to draft rotational needs before pervceived BPA.
In a spot like that if the bulls had to draft pg which history says they might i like shabazz napier.

right now for guys under contract a 5 on 5 practice looks like;
rose
butler snell
mdj brewer
taj Amundson
Noah Smith

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:

Ralphb07 wrote:Harris is my trade up guy as well. I think he goes in the 8-10 range. If I were Chicago I'd be looking to package 16 and 19 to move up.

I don't think 16 and 19 get you in the top 10.

Right- it's not the NFL- where teams will trade back for more picks. NBA teams want quality- not quantity. If the Bulls want to move up- they are taking on some toxic contract (like Gerald Wallace) in addition to giving up a pick.

wonderboy2 wrote:

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:

wonderboy2 wrote:I really hope the bulls draft Jabari brown, he is mad underrated. In terms of finishing the guy is the best sg finsher in this draft. Big guy bounce off of him when he goes to the whole. When I look at guards I look to see if they can finish as that is becoming a lost art even for guards in the NBA. He can also create his own offense mainly due to his strength and good foot work. But his jumper is what impresses me the most, he can shoot the skin off the ball and is tough as nails. To be honest who ever gets Brown is going to get a STEAL. If he was a year younger(21 years old) I feel he would be a lotery pick. I love stauskas as a prospect but I would not mind if the bulls picked Jabari brown.

I also wouldnt mind Jordan Clarkson or Spencer Dinwiddie in the secound aswell.

I doubt he's there in the 2nd when we pick. I think he goes very late 1st or very early 2nd.

I was talking about taking Jabari Brown with either our 16th or 19th pick( more preferable). Spencer dinwiddie since hes comming off a knee injury I feel can be had in the secound round. If he was healthy he wouldve have definatley been a first round pick, that guy can ball and is very underrated. Clarkson might or might not be there in the second round, if he is I definately wouldnt pass on him.

It seems there is this strange misconception that Jabari Brown is an undersized 2 guard like he is actually 6-3 or a little more than that. But to me he looks closer to between 6-4 or 6-5 with good length and bounce and of course everyone knows about his strength. Perhaps it's his body type that is misleading, I feel like he is a good bet to raise his stocks after the measurement results are released.

Formidable Bull wrote:

wonderboy2 wrote:

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
I doubt he's there in the 2nd when we pick. I think he goes very late 1st or very early 2nd.

I was talking about taking Jabari Brown with either our 16th or 19th pick( more preferable). Spencer dinwiddie since hes comming off a knee injury I feel can be had in the secound round. If he was healthy he wouldve have definatley been a first round pick, that guy can ball and is very underrated. Clarkson might or might not be there in the second round, if he is I definately wouldnt pass on him.

It seems there is this strange misconception that Jabari Brown is an undersized 2 guard like he is actually 6-3 or a little more than that. But to me he looks closer to between 6-4 or 6-5 with good length and bounce and of course everyone knows about his strength. Perhaps it's his body type that is misleading, I feel like he is a good bet to raise his stocks after the measurement results are released.

I agree 100% with you. He is definately around 6-4 to 6"5. Im not sure why people arent talking about him more. People think hes going in the secound round because they are looking at these mock drafts but I dont do that. Ive seen every sg there is in this draft and Brown takes a secound seat to none of them besides exum if you call him a 2guard. Brown can shoot like stauskas but is a way better finisher through contact. Brown can score off the bounce as well. He has alot of clever moves to get his defender off balance and get his shot off and get to the basket and after that the guard has no chance of stopping him even at the pro level. I think the only reason why people arent high on him is because they havent seen enough of him. Like you said it is a sure thing his stock will rise when he goes against these two guards in workouts. I love lavine but brown would eat him for breakfast right now.

greenl wrote:

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:

Ralphb07 wrote:Harris is my trade up guy as well. I think he goes in the 8-10 range. If I were Chicago I'd be looking to package 16 and 19 to move up.

I don't think 16 and 19 get you in the top 10.

Right- it's not the NFL- where teams will trade back for more picks. NBA teams want quality- not quantity. If the Bulls want to move up- they are taking on some toxic contract (like Gerald Wallace) in addition to giving up a pick.

In this draft, maybe it is. The prospects in the middle of the first are pretty even, so a team wanting to consolidate some depth may be interested. 2 prospects for the price of 1 if they're not sold on what's at that 10 spot being any better than a little later on.

MrFortune3 wrote:Unless something weird happens I do not see Saric falling to us. But if he did, you draft him, stash him and let him develop for another season or two and then bring him over.

No Asik gave us one good year and one near elite year on defense before bolting.
There was a reason Thibs used him along with Gibson to close out games.
We need to draft the best player with the most talent.
Not just a solid body who can maybe help this year. Hell, Thibs isn't really going to play them anyway.
It takes him a while to fully trust them.

MadMike wrote:

MrFortune3 wrote:I want no part of McDermott, I feel the same way as I felt about Jeff Withey last year.
I do not see him as a long term starter in the league and he is not going to be able to defend his position at a high level.

With that said, I always prefer taking a higher ceiling player than a potentially maxed out one.

I like his ability to score while dbl teamed and with a hand in his face. He's a good bet to have a long career at the next level. His ceiling is high if he gets drafted to the right team, but he could be a very good role player too.

MrFortune3 wrote:I'd rather we just pass on him. Now if he was to fall to #27 or so, yes. But a top 20 pick? No, just no.
I want no part of McDermott or Payne in the draft where we currently sit.
If we traded back and landed Payne I could get on board.

From what I remember Omer Asik was not a breakout player in his rookie season w/ the Bulls. Him and Taj were rooks and played well together but nothing stood out about him other than his size.

The following year Asik began to stand out. His defense blossomed as the Bench Mob was formed and the Bulls were playing peak basketball. He would've been great for the Bulls but he only had 2 yrs on his rookie contract instead of 4 due to the Bulls stashing him for two yrs. Houston gave him an offer he couldn't refuse and off he went. Had the Bulls had him for 4 yrs him and the Bulls might have signed him to an extension before he hit the market knowing his future value after playing w/ the team for 3 yrs, but 2 yrs was too soon, and the Bulls had no idea Houston would come at him w/ such a huge contract offer.

As for McDermott I feel ya. No one's a sure thing until we actually see them playing in the NBA for 3 yrs then we can look in hindsight and say "See I told ya!"

When I look at McDermott's game I see the same pros and cons as I do w/ Jabari Parker. Parker may be a better player due to the team he's drafted by is going to give him the most opportunity to play and succeed. Doug is 6'8" and pretty much a tweener as a forward, but his game better translates as a SF @ the next level. His ability to put the ball in the basket is a valuable asset even if he lacks quickness to defend one on one. He's a coach's son so I feel that translates well as far as having a high basketball IQ. I don't see him as a bust and maybe you do. That's what so fun about "The Unknown!!!!"

I dont really want to trade up in this draft. I rather pick 2 guys or draft 1 and stash 1. Lets say we trade up to grab Gary Harris....Rodney Hood could still be there at 16. It wouldnt be worth it IMO.

GimmeDat wrote:

greenl wrote:

JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
I don't think 16 and 19 get you in the top 10.

Right- it's not the NFL- where teams will trade back for more picks. NBA teams want quality- not quantity. If the Bulls want to move up- they are taking on some toxic contract (like Gerald Wallace) in addition to giving up a pick.

In this draft, maybe it is. The prospects in the middle of the first are pretty even, so a team wanting to consolidate some depth may be interested. 2 prospects for the price of 1 if they're not sold on what's at that 10 spot being any better than a little later on.

I've been saying that exact thing. I wouldn't be at all shocked if we did just that.

I think 8-22 the draft is pretty even. Talent level is similar it will really be about fit. Coming away with 2 prospects that give us depth on the wing and frontcourt goes along way but doesn't get us a title unless we hit a homerun. I think our picks will be traded.

wonderboy2 wrote:

Formidable Bull wrote:

wonderboy2 wrote:I was talking about taking Jabari Brown with either our 16th or 19th pick( more preferable). Spencer dinwiddie since hes comming off a knee injury I feel can be had in the secound round. If he was healthy he wouldve have definatley been a first round pick, that guy can ball and is very underrated. Clarkson might or might not be there in the second round, if he is I definately wouldnt pass on him.

It seems there is this strange misconception that Jabari Brown is an undersized 2 guard like he is actually 6-3 or a little more than that. But to me he looks closer to between 6-4 or 6-5 with good length and bounce and of course everyone knows about his strength. Perhaps it's his body type that is misleading, I feel like he is a good bet to raise his stocks after the measurement results are released.

I agree 100% with you. He is definately around 6-4 to 6"5. Im not sure why people arent talking about him more. People think hes going in the secound round because they are looking at these mock drafts but I dont do that. Ive seen every sg there is in this draft and Brown takes a secound seat to none of them besides exum if you call him a 2guard. Brown can shoot like stauskas but is a way better finisher through contact. Brown can score off the bounce as well. He has alot of clever moves to get his defender off balance and get his shot off and get to the basket and after that the guard has no chance of stopping him even at the pro level. I think the only reason why people arent high on him is because they havent seen enough of him. Like you said it is a sure thing his stock will rise when he goes against these two guards in workouts. I love lavine but brown would eat him for breakfast right now.

Screw you wonderboy.

Now you got me wanting brown and clarkson.You know when I look at shooters im critical of their mechanics and brown's are very beautiful like snell's except he shoots the same way EVERY SINGLE TIME. The footwork, hand placement, jump, flick, and follow through is just perfect and I like his strength. As for Clarkson he seems very long for his height (though I haven't checked his measurements yet) The best part is that they are both combo guards. Now im hoping we get my guy lavine at 16 brown at 19 and trade up to get clarkson in the 2nd.

MadMike wrote:From what I remember Omer Asik was not a breakout player in his rookie season w/ the Bulls. Him and Taj were rooks and played well together but nothing stood out about him other than his size.

The following year Asik began to stand out. His defense blossomed as the Bench Mob was formed and the Bulls were playing peak basketball. He would've been great for the Bulls but he only had 2 yrs on his rookie contract instead of 4 due to the Bulls stashing him for two yrs. Houston gave him an offer he couldn't refuse and off he went. Had the Bulls had him for 4 yrs him and the Bulls might have signed him to an extension before he hit the market knowing his future value after playing w/ the team for 3 yrs, but 2 yrs was too soon, and the Bulls had no idea Houston would come at him w/ such a huge contract offer.

As for McDermott I feel ya. No one's a sure thing until we actually see them playing in the NBA for 3 yrs then we can look in hindsight and say "See I told ya!"

When I look at McDermott's game I see the same pros and cons as I do w/ Jabari Parker. Parker may be a better player due to the team he's drafted by is going to give him the most opportunity to play and succeed. Doug is 6'8" and pretty much a tweener as a forward, but his game better translates as a SF @ the next level. His ability to put the ball in the basket is a valuable asset even if he lacks quickness to defend one on one. He's a coach's son so I feel that translates well as far as having a high basketball IQ. I don't see him as a bust and maybe you do. That's what so fun about "The Unknown!!!!"

Asik started off slow and then came on late in his first season.
His 2nd season he was really really good on D. He is never going to be a good offensive player but his talent on the defensive end is still sorely missed by this team.

McDermott to me is a great college player who will be meh in the pros.
I have no doubt he will have a long NBA career. But he will need to be a specialist and carve a niche for himself.
He is not athletic nor fast enough to guard 3's at the NBA level, he is not strong enough to guard 4's.
So he will be a defensive liability who will play a stretch 4 role.

If McDermott falls.....Do you draft him over Rodney Hood or Stauskas?

Im not very high on McDermott

If I am trading up it will be for Harris. Would rather sit back and draft Stauskas, Payne, Anderson, Hood, Young, or see if so done falls.

Chitownbulls wrote:If McDermott falls.....Do you draft him over Rodney Hood or Stauskas?

Im not very high on McDermott

I hope he gets drafted in the top 8 so we never have to wonder about him on the Bulls.

greenl wrote:Right- it's not the NFL- where teams will trade back for more picks. NBA teams want quality- not quantity. If the Bulls want to move up- they are taking on some toxic contract (like Gerald Wallace) in addition to giving up a pick.

It depends. Certain teams might be inclined to trade down if they have a lot of holes on their roster and if they feel a player they like will still be there later.
This is considered to be a very deep draft and I honestly do not have a problem with us standing pat and drafting 3 guys.

MrFortune3 wrote:

MadMike wrote:From what I remember Omer Asik was not a breakout player in his rookie season w/ the Bulls. Him and Taj were rooks and played well together but nothing stood out about him other than his size.

The following year Asik began to stand out. His defense blossomed as the Bench Mob was formed and the Bulls were playing peak basketball. He would've been great for the Bulls but he only had 2 yrs on his rookie contract instead of 4 due to the Bulls stashing him for two yrs. Houston gave him an offer he couldn't refuse and off he went. Had the Bulls had him for 4 yrs him and the Bulls might have signed him to an extension before he hit the market knowing his future value after playing w/ the team for 3 yrs, but 2 yrs was too soon, and the Bulls had no idea Houston would come at him w/ such a huge contract offer.

As for McDermott I feel ya. No one's a sure thing until we actually see them playing in the NBA for 3 yrs then we can look in hindsight and say "See I told ya!"

When I look at McDermott's game I see the same pros and cons as I do w/ Jabari Parker. Parker may be a better player due to the team he's drafted by is going to give him the most opportunity to play and succeed. Doug is 6'8" and pretty much a tweener as a forward, but his game better translates as a SF @ the next level. His ability to put the ball in the basket is a valuable asset even if he lacks quickness to defend one on one. He's a coach's son so I feel that translates well as far as having a high basketball IQ. I don't see him as a bust and maybe you do. That's what so fun about "The Unknown!!!!"

Asik started off slow and then came on late in his first season.
His 2nd season he was really really good on D. He is never going to be a good offensive player but his talent on the defensive end is still sorely missed by this team.

McDermott to me is a great college player who will be meh in the pros.
I have no doubt he will have a long NBA career. But he will need to be a specialist and carve a niche for himself.
He is not athletic nor fast enough to guard 3's at the NBA level, he is not strong enough to guard 4's.
So he will be a defensive liability who will play a stretch 4 role.

You might be right about McDermott...He could turn out to be another Erik Murphy or he could become a great spot up shooter for the right team ala Kyle Korver. I wouldn't draft him on the Bulls, but he could be a good player for the right team.

McDermott at the least would be a great scorer off the bench for any team. His shooting would space the floor and his post game could be used as a SF when opposing teams play small ball.

I hope McDermott gets picked before us

For all we know, James Young could perform badly in workouts an slip in the draft. Theres always someone who falls in the draft....IMO I think McDermott and Saric could be those guys