RealGM Top 100 LIST- 2014

[Quotatious]

Brand, meanwhile, was a 20/10 big man from the get go, always quietly effective, and peaked at the right time to lead a rather untalented Clippers team (36 yr old Cassell was your 2nd best player) to a stone's throw from the WCF, in a playoff performance that is much better than any of Webber's...

Call me crazy, but I don't think Brand was that much worse than LeBron or Kobe in '06. He had comparable advanced metrics, didn't have any real flaws in his game (and 24.7/ 10.0/ 2.6 with 2.5 blocks on 58% TS is a pretty impressive raw statline, too), and also had very comparable team success with a comparable supporting cast. Played very well in the postseason, too. I really think he could've been a top 5 player that year.

Dude was an absolute beast. He's arguably the best peak PF after Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Barkley and Pettit. I see him as only a little worse than '15 Davis (but arguably more valuable because Brand played 10 more games in the RS), easily comparable with '87 McHale.

[Quotatious]

How on earth is Elton Brand ahead of Chris Webber?

Many of the voters that were still participating have Brand peaking higher and don't have Webber rated very highly due to his inefficient scoring, tendency to settle for jumpers and avoid physical play, less than impressive playoff resume and the Kings playing at a high level when Webber missed most of the 04 season. I was one of the few Webber supporters in the project and have him ahead of Brand, but I think it's a fairly close comparison since Brand had an impressive 8 year prime and didn't really have any major holes in his game.

Webber was immensely talented offensively, one of the best ever at the PF position when you consider passing as well. Brand was just a good player and never accomplished anything. Webber at least had a good run with the Kings.

Put Brand on the Kings and Webber on the Bulls/Clippers and they would be perceived in a totally different light. I could easily see the '02 Kings winning it all with '06 Brand on that team instead of Webber.

Brand had the same problem as Garnett - he wasted his prime on weak teams, but when he had at least an adequate supporting cast, he almost reached WCF. Well, Garnett was obviously better than Brand, but EB is one of the most underrated players of the 2000s.

[Baseline Runner]

Brand, meanwhile, was a 20/10 big man from the get go, always quietly effective, and peaked at the right time to lead a rather untalented Clippers team (36 yr old Cassell was your 2nd best player) to a stone's throw from the WCF, in a playoff performance that is much better than any of Webber's...

Call me crazy, but I don't think Brand was that much worse than LeBron or Kobe in '06. He had comparable advanced metrics, didn't have any real flaws in his game (and 24.7/ 10.0/ 2.6 with 2.5 blocks on 58% TS is a pretty impressive raw statline, too), and also had very comparable team success with a comparable supporting cast. Played very well in the postseason, too. I really think he could've been a top 5 player that year.

Dude was an absolute beast. He's arguably the best peak PF after Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, Malone, Barkley and Pettit. I see him as only a little worse than '15 Davis (but arguably more valuable because Brand played 10 more games in the RS), easily comparable with '87 McHale.

Brand had one great year in an otherwise mediocre career. Webber had many great years. The Webber lead Kings were a great team year after year and were strong enough to take on the two headed prime Shaq/ prime Kobe monster. I don't know why he gets underrated so much.

[Nbafanatic]

Just to clarify here: I realize that I'm not gonna vote on the peaks project, but can I just comment on the threads?

[Quotatious]

Just to clarify here: I realize that I'm not gonna vote on the peaks project, but can I just comment on the threads?

Absolutely. You're pretty knowledgeable based on what I've seen, and hey - that's what this forum is for - discussion. The more interesting points people make, the more others can learn.

[Nbafanatic]

Just to clarify here: I realize that I'm not gonna vote on the peaks project, but can I just comment on the threads?

Absolutely. You're pretty knowledgeable based on what I've seen, and hey - that's what this forum is for - discussion. The more interesting points people make, the more others can learn.

Thanks for the words. Let's comment, then.

[Patsfan1081]

I know I'm not a voter, but it's difficult to think that all of you guys are forgetting about Pistol Pete.

[Quotatious]

I know I'm not a voter, but it's difficult to think that all of you guys are forgetting about Pistol Pete.

Nobody forgot about him, we just see him in a different way than casual fans. Maravich's numbers were about as empty as it gets. Hawks declined by 12 wins when they added Maravich in '71, compared to '70, especially their offense became much worse, which is an area where he should've made a positive impact, but he didn't.

He played on a winning team only once (not counting his brief stint with the Celtics, as a role player), in '73, and even that team wasn't particularly great, wasn't a real contender, won only 46 games (not to mention that Lou Hudson was the best player on that team, not Maravich). Obviously basketball is a team game, but looking at the talent those early 70s Hawks teams had (Hudson, Maravich, Bellamy, Bridges, Hazzard), you have to think they underachieved.

Pistol Pete, as talented as he was, really never learned how to play winning basketball in the pros. He was fun to watch, but he's not the kind of player you want to build a franchise around, from winning standpoint.

[mjj0062]

This is actually a great list, way better then the garbage you see on youtube. I would personally take Dirk and Kobe over KG and bump Dwade into the top 20, but other then that can't complain too much

[Silver Bullet]

Visiting this site after probably 5 years. Was half expecting the immortal 6 to still be intact. Thank Goodness that is not the case, and the group has some sense. Nevertheless, disappointing to see Kobe all the way down at 13.

[old rem]

I know I'm not a voter, but it's difficult to think that all of you guys are forgetting about Pistol Pete.

Very good point. Maravich never was on a great team...yet WAS a great player.

Wilt >> Kareem. Oscar and Magic.. have to move UP quite a bit. Rick Barry deserves a raise.

[penbeast0]

Voter list cared about defense and character as well as scoring; some of the impact stats arguments pushed guys like Duncan and Garnett higher than expected; but it was basically more about the discussions than the final rankings. You might enjoy the read.

[crazy_me_87]

Just a question: is there a timetable for a updated list now we are entering 2016? or is it continiusly updated because it reads "2014 list"

[Dr Spaceman]

Just a question: is there a timetable for a updated list now we are entering 2016? or is it continiusly updated because it reads "2014 list"

No. We had another project this year (peaks) and other things like re-doing RPOY and a possible top coaches one have been tossed around. 2017 would be the earliest we'd look at top 100, which would fit the pattern (2008,11,14). I believe the 2008 project came two years after 2006, and it was a bit of a flop due to people simply not having the energy to work through all that again.

[crazy_me_87]

Just a question: is there a timetable for a updated list now we are entering 2016? or is it continiusly updated because it reads "2014 list"

No. We had another project this year (peaks) and other things like re-doing RPOY and a possible top coaches one have been tossed around. 2017 would be the earliest we'd look at top 100, which would fit the pattern (2008,11,14). I believe the 2008 project came two years after 2006, and it was a bit of a flop due to people simply not having the energy to work through all that again.

Thanks for the information!

[Owly]

Just been glancing through these and the links for threads 17 (Karl Malone); 61 (Wilkins) and 72 (Rodman) don't work (they're to edit rather than just view). Cheers in advance if this could be corrected, as I think this post a very useful one for navigating around the project.

THE RealGM TOP 100 LIST of 2014

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Kobe Bryant
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore
36. Kevin Durant
37. Gary Payton
38. George Gervin
39. Isiah Thomas
40. Reggie Miller
41. Paul Pierce
42. Alonzo Mourning
43. Dwight Howard
44. Kevin McHale
45. Dolph Schayes
46. Ray Allen
47. Willis Reed
48. Tracy McGrady
49. Dikembe Mutombo
50. Robert Parish
51. Adrian Dantley
52. Dave Cowens
53. Pau Gasol
54. Alex English
55. Kevin Johnson
56. Allen Iverson
57. Chauncey Billups
58. Elvin Hayes
59. Bob Lanier
60. Vince Carter
61. Dominique Wilkins
62. Manu Ginobili
63. Paul Arizin
64. Grant Hill
65. Bob McAdoo
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Nate Thurmond
68. Sam Jones
69. Wes Unseld
70. Bernard King
71. Bob Cousy
72. Dennis Rodman
73. Larry Nance
74. Nate Archibald
75. James Worthy
76. Bobby Jones
77. Ben Wallace
78. Shawn Marion
79. Elton Brand
80. Hal Greer
81. Tony Parker
82. Dan Issel
83. Maurice Cheeks
84. Rasheed Wallace
85. Horace Grant
86. Chris Webber
87. Chris Bosh
88. Mitch Richmond
89. Carmelo Anthony
90. Billy Cunningham
91. Mel Daniels
92. Jack Sikma
93. Dave DeBusschere
94. Chris Mullin
95. Shawn Kemp
96. Neil Johnston
97. Bill Sharman
98. Joe Dumars
99. Gus Williams
100. Marques Johnson

[penbeast0]

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[BandwagonGSWFAN]

lmao at kobe being ranked outside the top 10. strong agenda. lmao at garnett in front of kobe pls go. strong butthurt

[cpower]

lmao at kobe being ranked outside the top 10. strong agenda. lmao at garnett in front of kobe pls go. strong butthurt

it is still not too late to learn that volume scorer does not have the impact the box score seems to indicate. Kobe, unfortunately is still in the pack of volume scorers.

[penbeast0]

lmao at kobe being ranked outside the top 10. strong agenda. lmao at garnett in front of kobe pls go. strong butthurt

it is still not too late to learn that volume scorer does not have the impact the box score seems to indicate. Kobe, unfortunately is still in the pack of volume scorers.

Kobe may have a case in that his teams with Pau Gasol overacheived; there's a case that can be made. Unfortunately BandwagonGSWFAN didn't make any kind of case but just a fanboy comment that makes intelligent readers dismiss the case for Kobe.