ImageImageImageImageImage

Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture

Moderators: Deeeez Knicks, mpharris36, j4remi, HerSports85, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23

User avatar
HarthorneWingo
RealGM
Posts: 97,170
And1: 62,279
Joined: May 16, 2005
Location: In Your Head, USA
   

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#561 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:35 am

god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 1h1 hour ago

Derek Fisher says #Knicks are showing "resolve" and not pointing fingers, unlike last year: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.9615839



honestly. what in the actual f*ck ?


Image


that owl looks nervous. i'm not nervous, i'm just annoyed. like an old man at a diner who orders soup and it comes cold. i don't expect miracles, i just want my soup to be hot. the way it's supposed to be. in other words, pick a f*cking lineup. and yes, i know.....i'm very negative. :lol:


:lol: Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that. I just posted it to make you laugh.
Free Palestine
User avatar
ibraheim718
RealGM
Posts: 41,720
And1: 15,269
Joined: Jul 01, 2010

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#562 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:38 am

Capn'O wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I love Fisher, already absorbing those Zen mind games by tanking while acting as incompetent.


This is like your dream come true, innit? TBQH, I never thought I'd see a Knick tank job. This may be one.


There are hoards of us in the backgrounds going like this.

Image

(Except for me it's not so much tanking but more because JR Smiff is so close to being outta here!!!)
User avatar
ibraheim718
RealGM
Posts: 41,720
And1: 15,269
Joined: Jul 01, 2010

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#563 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:40 am

god shammgod wrote:Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 1h1 hour ago

Derek Fisher says #Knicks are showing "resolve" and not pointing fingers, unlike last year: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.9615839

Fisher said he hasn't decided on a starting lineup for Friday night's game but added that the Knicks might need "some beef in the middle" because Utah has 6-10 Derrick Favors and 6-11 Enes Kanter up front.


honestly. what in the actual f*ck ?


:lol: Fish trying to get in the record books in his first year.
User avatar
ibraheim718
RealGM
Posts: 41,720
And1: 15,269
Joined: Jul 01, 2010

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#564 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:41 am

Rasho Brezec wrote:I love Fisher, already absorbing those Zen mind games by tanking while acting as incompetent.


From time to time it's looked like he was holding back the laughter.
User avatar
god shammgod
RealGM
Posts: 137,749
And1: 135,969
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#565 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:42 am

i don't even care if they tank. i'm fine with it. do it though. you got melo hobbling out there for no reason on a bad ankle. give timmy & cleathony early regular minutes. just do something that makes sense.
User avatar
god shammgod
RealGM
Posts: 137,749
And1: 135,969
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#566 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:43 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Image


that owl looks nervous. i'm not nervous, i'm just annoyed. like an old man at a diner who orders soup and it comes cold. i don't expect miracles, i just want my soup to be hot. the way it's supposed to be. in other words, pick a f*cking lineup. and yes, i know.....i'm very negative. :lol:


:lol: Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that. I just posted it to make you laugh.


it did make me laugh
User avatar
Mr Rabbit
Head Coach
Posts: 6,225
And1: 4,886
Joined: Jun 25, 2012

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#567 » by Mr Rabbit » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:48 am

The God was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.
User avatar
ibraheim718
RealGM
Posts: 41,720
And1: 15,269
Joined: Jul 01, 2010

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#568 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:50 am

If we ended up with the number one pick the arguing in threads about who to pick would reach epic levels.
User avatar
god shammgod
RealGM
Posts: 137,749
And1: 135,969
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#569 » by god shammgod » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:50 am

Mr Rabbit wrote:The God was angry that day, my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.


:lol: great reference
User avatar
Capn'O
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 89,614
And1: 109,104
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: Bone Goal
 

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#570 » by Capn'O » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:37 am

ibraheim718 wrote:(Except for me it's not so much tanking but more because JR Smiff is so close to being outta here!!!)


I know - I can feel a brave attempt to move him coming as well but I'm not counting my chickens just yet. My preference would be for guys like Shump, THJ, Acy, Larkin, Cole, and Early - i.e. guys that have the chance to be around next year - to be catalysts for a run to the playoffs. I'd also like a million dollars to rain down on my head from the ceiling while getting pleasured by Halle Berry. So, tanking it is. Life's a bitch, innit?
BAF Clippers:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION

:beer:
User avatar
moocow007
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 98,229
And1: 25,675
Joined: Jan 07, 2002
Location: In front of the computer, where else?
       

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#571 » by moocow007 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:31 am

nykfan42 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

THjr is shooting 40% from 3 this year

JR is shooting 26% from 3 this year

who is shooting better?

coming off the bench is a certain mindset as it is, now you are asking him to just sit the entire 1st half. And come out hot in the 2nd half after not playing?

you being a bit harsh on the kid.


I'm not. I'm trying to be fair. If you are going to look for a blame for the losing you can't simply point to JR smith. He is not the main reason for this team losing games. What is happening is that JR Smith is the new Stephon Marbury...the scapegoat for way too many people here for what's wrong with the Knicks. Same way it wasn't Marbury that was the main reason for the losing then, it's not JR Smith for the losing now. Did both contribute to the losing? OBVIOUSLY. Are they both not likeable guys? SURE. But to single guys out as the recipient of most of the venom is not fair. It really isn't. Has nothing to do with defending JR Smith or thinking he's great. It's about being fair.

He is not the sole reason for losing now but he was the sole reason for why we lost the Pacers series in the Conference semi's in 2013 with his chucking mentality. My reason for hating him is because he is simply not a guy you want on your team if you want to win. His style of play is for street ball not team basketball. His disgustingly low basketball IQ is also a problem. His presence is more often than not detrimental. He'll have a really good game here and there and make smart plays, then have stretches where he just hurts your team by making idiotic plays. The bad outweighs the good and that's why he has to go. I'm sick of his crap.


He was also one of the biggest reasons the Knicks even got the chance to even play the Pacers...or is that blocked out of mind cause it doesn't work in your argument? And you are doing EXACTLY EXACTLY what I'm accusing folks of doing. You hate hate hate him so the good things he's done (and he has) is invisible. His presence lead to contributing to the Knicks 54 win season and their mad dash to trying to get into the playoffs last season. But let's again forget all that cuz you hates him. Him having a good game followed by many bad games in made up nonsense based on overreaction and hate. Again...he's been an integral part of more winning teams than most of the other guys on this team. Should we assume that you know more than George Karl? Show me where the proof that JR Smiths teams have been better without him than with him.
User avatar
nykfan42
Head Coach
Posts: 6,346
And1: 3,150
Joined: Mar 18, 2009
Location: long island

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#572 » by nykfan42 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:52 am

moocow007 wrote:
nykfan42 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
I'm not. I'm trying to be fair. If you are going to look for a blame for the losing you can't simply point to JR smith. He is not the main reason for this team losing games. What is happening is that JR Smith is the new Stephon Marbury...the scapegoat for way too many people here for what's wrong with the Knicks. Same way it wasn't Marbury that was the main reason for the losing then, it's not JR Smith for the losing now. Did both contribute to the losing? OBVIOUSLY. Are they both not likeable guys? SURE. But to single guys out as the recipient of most of the venom is not fair. It really isn't. Has nothing to do with defending JR Smith or thinking he's great. It's about being fair.

He is not the sole reason for losing now but he was the sole reason for why we lost the Pacers series in the Conference semi's in 2013 with his chucking mentality. My reason for hating him is because he is simply not a guy you want on your team if you want to win. His style of play is for street ball not team basketball. His disgustingly low basketball IQ is also a problem. His presence is more often than not detrimental. He'll have a really good game here and there and make smart plays, then have stretches where he just hurts your team by making idiotic plays. The bad outweighs the good and that's why he has to go. I'm sick of his crap.


He was also one of the biggest reasons the Knicks even got the chance to even play the Pacers...or is that blocked out of mind cause it doesn't work in your argument? And you are doing EXACTLY EXACTLY what I'm accusing folks of doing. You hate hate hate him so the good things he's done (and he has) is invisible. His presence lead to contributing to the Knicks 54 win season and their mad dash to trying to get into the playoffs last season. But let's again forget all that cuz you hates him. Him having a good game followed by many bad games in made up nonsense based on overreaction and hate. Again...he's been an integral part of more winning teams than most of the other guys on this team. Should we assume that you know more than George Karl? Show me where the proof that JR Smiths teams have been better without him than with him.

I did not forget that, I also think you're forgetting about the veteran presence we had with Kidd, Kurt and Sheed (even though he didn't play). Melo was in the MVP conversation. That was a huge factor in our success that year. You're giving JR too much credit. Yes I do know JR had his best season of his career, and he was excellent actually winning the 6th man. Like Melo, I believe Earl has not been deep into the playoffs throughout his career. Yes I do hate JR Smith but let's be honest, he's arguably our 2nd best player. Can you honestly say you trust JR Smith in that role? He's not reliable at all. Look at that series against Indy, the first time in 13 years the Knicks were in the 2nd rd and he shot them out of it shooting 29%. He was too busy partying during the biggest series in the last 13 years. I don't trust him and he'll shoot you out of games more often than he'll shoot you into games.

No one is going to remember or care about what you did in the regular season. I'm a Yankee fan and I don't know if you follow baseball or not but I'm gonna use Nick Swisher as an example. He was a very good player for us. He got on base, played solid defense, hit for power, drove in runs etc. You know what happened when October rolled around? He choked, he was AWFUL. If you don't perform in the postseason when it matters no one cares about what you did from April-September.

It is hate, I agree but it's justified with his play which lacks basketball IQ and winning instincts. JR doesn't play better under pressure, he's a career 38% shooter in the playoffs and would be much lower without his one good postseason in 2009. He is not reliable and not a guy I want on my team if I'm trying to build a contender. That is all.
Make the Knicks great again!
User avatar
mpharris36
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 112,069
And1: 115,684
Joined: Nov 03, 2010
     

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#573 » by mpharris36 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:13 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:If we ended up with the number one pick the arguing in threads about who to pick would reach epic levels.


and then we would probably end up trading it for a more ready made star.
4-Peat! 22-25 BAF Champion Spurs:

ROSTER

Walker Kessler/Daniel Gafford/Adem Bona
Nikola Jokic/Santi Aldama/Isaiah Stewart
Aaron Nesmith/Josh Hart/Jaime Jaquez
Alex Caruso/Keon Ellis/Justin Champagnie
Steph Curry/Chris Paul/Ryan Rollins
User avatar
moocow007
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 98,229
And1: 25,675
Joined: Jan 07, 2002
Location: In front of the computer, where else?
       

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#574 » by moocow007 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:16 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:If we ended up with the number one pick the arguing in threads about who to pick would reach epic levels.


Yep. We've hit 800 pages by day 3.
ORANGEandBLUE
RealGM
Posts: 16,144
And1: 1,334
Joined: May 06, 2001

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#575 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:19 pm

moocow007 wrote:JR Smith has, at most, 1 more year beyond this year with the team (unless the team wants him back). He's not losing his athletic ability in that time period. To use that as a rational is just taking the hate for the person into every aspect he does. JR Smith actually keeps himself in excellent shape in the off season. When was the last time that Smith came into training camp overweight? When did it take him the first x weeks of the season to get into shape? So again, what is happening is that hate for the person is imprinting untruths about the player. Look, it's human nature. If you hate someone enough you will absolutely see every negative thing about that person and blow it up and not notice any of the positive things. Think about it deeply...how many times has something like that been done to you by someone that dislikes you? How many times have you done that to someone else you dislike?. It absolutely is what's happening here with folks and JR Smith. He tries the majority of the time to fit and that's ignored or belittled, but the one mistake he makes is blown up and becomes everything that he is. As far as phasing out...like I've already said in other posts, if guys that aren't part of the future should be phased out then they should be phasing out everyone but 3 or, at most, 4 people. And you can't just play 3 or 4 people not matter how much you really want to. IF JR Smith is as big of a pile of poop as some of you are saying, then NO ONE is trading for him so why bother the constant persistent "lets trade him" banter?

Perhaps it is hate, but I think it's pretty plausible that a guy that has a many miles as he does might start to decline soon and turn into even more of a jump shooter. While other guys also might not be here long term, at least they are not clogging out cap sheet and perpetuating the bad habits from previous teams. I don't think he's a bad player, so I do think there's trade value there. He's just not a good fit here given his age, our depth at 2-guard, our free agency plans, and him having the same flaws as Melo, i.e. holding the ball and freezing the offense, and the same flaws that THJ is starting to develop and will further develop if he sees those flaws rewarded in JR, i.e. being allergic to the paint and chucking 3's whenever he feels like it.
User avatar
dakomish23
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 58,764
And1: 48,735
Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Location: Empire State
     

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#576 » by dakomish23 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:33 pm

ag3 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Melo had 1 ast on paper. The haters will come out "look he's a ball hog" , "doesn't make anyone better". What they won't see is the 7-8 kick outs Melo did to JSmith and others who missed open shots. 2 of this go in, we win the game and the haters go silent for a day.

We never seem to get everyone clicking on the same day during this losing streak. Or even most of our guys. JSmith and THJ were horrible yesterday while Shump had foul trouble all game. Always something


Haters will go away if he Knicks beat the Orlando Magic by 5 points?
Orlando is a terrible team and a decent team beats them easily by 15+.
Knicks are far from decent and are a bottom 5 team right now.


In what way did what I say insinuate that "haters would go away if". Lesson 1 - haters always gonna hate. Especially when it comes to the NYK. I'm just stating a false statement that haters would make because, well, they love to hate.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


#FreeJimmit
User avatar
ibraheim718
RealGM
Posts: 41,720
And1: 15,269
Joined: Jul 01, 2010

Re: Knicks Vs. Magic PG Discomfiture 

Post#577 » by ibraheim718 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:21 pm

moocow007 wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:If we ended up with the number one pick the arguing in threads about who to pick would reach epic levels.


Yep. We've hit 800 pages by day 3.


Who do you like? I like Okafor and for me I don't think anyone is close to him. I think he has way too much Tim Duncan in him to not take him 1. It seems like the board favorite is Towns but my problem with him is he never physically dominated his competition the way you'd want a 7 footer too. I can't get excited by a kid who is 7 feet tall that allows himself to get pushed out onto the perimeter by other teenagers.

Return to New York Knicks