2016-17 Phoenix Suns Preseason Thread

YouTube · Post #561 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:11 pm

Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

kennydorglas · Post #562 » by **kennydorglas** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:13 pm

Really weird this reports about LaMarcus. If he's mad because he's not their leader, why the **** he chose them?
We pretty much offered him the kingdom here and now this history 'leaks'.

I call bull.

YouTube · Post #563 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:20 pm

kennydorglas wrote:Really weird this reports about LaMarcus. If he's mad because he's not their leader, why the **** he chose them?
We pretty much offered him the kingdom here and now this history 'leaks'.

I call bull.

IDK, when i lived in Portland, i knew and talked to many Blazers. Aldridge wanting to be the man was kinda always talked about, but refuted to the press. I also think the LeMarcus kinda played himself on that, as the Spurs arnt one of those teams that you see things about everywhere, advertisements and what not. Hard to want to be a face of a franchise.....that really has been kinda faceless.

SideSwipe · Post #564 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:23 pm

How many players have accomplished what LMA has accomplished. Proven. To put that kind of expectation on any of the young guns is tricky, particularly Bender. Also Bender will take maybe 8-10 years to mature into that type of player, if he gets there. That's too long to not be sniffing the playoffs. We need to get to the playoffs folks and not squander Booker. You guys think Book is likely to stick around in three years if we have not gotten to the dance? No chance. You trade off Benders youth and potential for a guy who will help you get there probably for each of the next 3 seasons he is under contract.

I would take a hard look, and I would not trade Bender lightly, but it will take value to get LMA, and we brought in pieces that will compliment him well, and McD specifically bided his time for just such an opportunity. Also per the reports, the Spurs want to get rid of salary to be players in FA. That means taking back less salary in trade. We can do that.

MathiasPW · Post #565 » by **MathiasPW** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:26 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:Really weird this reports about LaMarcus. If he's mad because he's not their leader, why the **** he chose them?
We pretty much offered him the kingdom here and now this history 'leaks'.

I call bull.

IDK, when i lived in Portland, i knew and talked to many Blazers. Aldridge wanting to be the man was kinda always talked about, but refuted to the press. I also think the LeMarcus kinda played himself on that, as the Spurs arnt one of those teams that you see things about everywhere, advertisements and what not. Hard to want to be a face of a franchise.....that really has been kinda faceless.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #566 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:38 pm

SideSwipe wrote:How many players have accomplished what LMA has accomplished. Proven. To put that kind of expectation on any of the young guns is tricky, particularly Bender. Also Bender will take maybe 8-10 years to mature into that type of player, if he gets there. That's too long to not be sniffing the playoffs. We need to get to the playoffs folks and not squander Booker. You guys think Book is likely to stick around in three years if we have not gotten to the dance? No chance. You trade off Benders youth and potential for a guy who will help you get there probably for each of the next 3 seasons he is under contract.

Umm.... you do know we have Booker locked up for 7 more years, right? We need to make sure the team is competitive when he becomes a UFA, not when he becomes an RFA. And don't you think he'd prefer to be on a squad with a bunch of guys near his age, so they all peak at once?

Book, Quese, Bender and even Bled should all be off the table. I'd also be very hesitant to trade TJ (who isn't a good fit for them anyway, with Kawhi/Anderson/Simmons/Green). Len and Knight makes sense for us, unless Aldridge's attitude means he doesn't make sense for us no matter who we give up.

alphagorilla · Post #567 » by **alphagorilla** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:40 pm

I'd give up any combination of Knight, Len, PJ, Goodwin for Aldridge. I think none of the mentioned suns players make the team better and Aldridge would put our franchise back on the map and our younger players could learn a lot. Aldridge does have strong relationship here with Earl and others. He would get us wins and your young guys need to learn how to win and compete.

LukasBMW · Post #568 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:42 pm

If we can get LMA for our unwanted parts of Len, Knight, and Archie, then I'm all for it.

Knight and Archie don't want to be here. Len is never going to get better.

I had forgotten that LMA and Watson were close. If Watson convinces LMA to play center, then it solves our biggest problem. Maybe then we can win now and also keep developing our youth?

But I think that many other teams could beat our offer and be a more attractive destination.

YouTube · Post #569 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:46 pm

.....and for those thinking Aldridge would stunt, Chriss growth, i have to say it would be the complete opposite. I would love for Chriss to be in the gym with Aldridge, going against him in practice. Chriss off the bench for LA, but also picking up minutes playing C as well (Chriss did this in the preseason and had his best game). Sure, he will need to put on more weight to log somewhat major minutes at the C spot, but he has to add weight as it is, and damn near all rookie C's coming into the league have to as well (Remember Stick-Len?)

letsgosuns · Post #570 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:50 pm

Players I would rather trade for instead of Aldridge:

Lebron, Curry, Durant, Thompson, Green, Leonard, Westbrook, Harden, Butler, George, Paul, Griffin, Towns, Cousins, Wall, Lillard, Davis, Anthony, Porzingis. Those are just the ones off the top of my head. There are probably a few more.

I think the Suns have their power forwards of the future AND present in Chriss/Bender. If the Suns want to upgrade the roster, I think small forward is the place to do it. I like Warren, but he is more of a Ceballos type player rather than a superstar and you need superstars to win. He probably is not available, but the guy who I think might be perfect next to Booker and the other young guys is George. If the Pacers ever considered trading him and George would verbally agree to an extension prior to the trade, I think a Knight, Warren, Len, and the two Miami picks package is a great offer IF the Pacers decide to trade him. I would even swap Bledsoe for Knight if that was the deal breaker.

jcsunsfan · Post #571 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:22 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Players I would rather trade for instead of Aldridge:

Lebron, Curry, Durant, Thompson, Green, Leonard, Westbrook, Harden, Butler, George, Paul, Griffin, Towns, Cousins, Wall, Lillard, Davis, Anthony, Porzingis. Those are just the ones off the top of my head. There are probably a few more.

I think the Suns have their power forwards of the future AND present in Chriss/Bender. If the Suns want to upgrade the roster, I think small forward is the place to do it. I like Warren, but he is more of a Ceballos type player rather than a superstar and you need superstars to win. He probably is not available, but the guy who I think might be perfect next to Booker and the other young guys is George. If the Pacers ever considered trading him and George would verbally agree to an extension prior to the trade, I think a Knight, Warren, Len, and the two Miami picks package is a great offer IF the Pacers decide to trade him. I would even swap Bledsoe for Knight if that was the deal breaker.

I think that this team needs to gel together first and become competitive. THEN they can trade for the piece they really need. I am not sure they really know what piece that is yet. The early 90's Suns put together a competitive core with KJ, Horny, EJ, Majerle, Chambers, etc. Once that team started succeeding they could see that the next step they needed was a post scorer and rebouder. So they made the deal for Barkley. Its just too early for a big trade.

Besides, you know the Spurs will be wanting Booker or Chriss as part of the return package and THAT is just not going to happen.

TeamTragic · Post #572 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:27 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

Killer trade. I would do this in a heartbeat. Clearing out the mismatched talent.

theSUNalsoRISES · Post #573 » by **theSUNalsoRISES** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:31 pm

I'd look at this LMA trade rumour from the other side. The Spurs can only trade LMA for another superstar potentially Butler, George or Cousins. They can't ruin Leonards prime years. So if LMA is unhappy maybe we can step in and take advantage. Trade Chandler their way for a few picks (2017 seems like another deep year) and a young player (simmons??) to add to our war chest.

I don't really buy the argument we need to compete soon to keep Booker happy. We have his rights and we no max contract players, its unlikely if booker develops into a star we'd lose him. I think like most of this board the chance at LMA isn't nearly as exciting as it was 2 free agencies ago.

jcsunsfan · Post #574 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:35 pm

theSUNalsoRISES wrote:I'd look at this LMA trade rumour from the other side. The Spurs can only trade LMA for another superstar potentially Butler, George or Cousins. They can't ruin Leonards prime years. So if LMA is unhappy maybe we can step in and take advantage. Trade Chandler their way for a few picks (2017 seems like another deep year) and a young player (simmons??) to add to our war chest.

I don't really buy the argument we need to compete soon to keep Booker happy. We have his rights and we no max contract players, its unlikely if booker develops into a star we'd lose him. I think like most of this board the chance at LMA isn't nearly as exciting as it was 2 free agencies ago.

I agree with this. These guys are too young to be impatient. Develop the young guys now. Make good picks. Make a trade when the next move is obvious.

jcsunsfan · Post #575 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:37 pm

Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

Of course I would do this trade. Knight is expendable. Goodwin is a non-factor, and Len for Alderidge is an easy choice. The Spurs are going to want two of Bender, Booker, Chriss. Count on it. Thats a no deal in my book.

TeamTragic · Post #576 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:38 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

Of course I would do this trade. Knight is expendable. Goodwin is a non-factor, and Len for Alderidge is an easy choice. The Spurs are going to want two of Bender, Booker, Chriss. Count on it. Thats a no deal in my book.

Phoenix hangs up the phone and both McD/Sarver laugh their assess off while the 2010 sweep plays in the background.

YouTube · Post #577 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:39 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

Of course I would do this trade. Knight is expendable. Goodwin is a non-factor, and Len for Alderidge is an easy choice. The Spurs are going to want two of Bender, Booker, Chriss. Count on it. Thats a no deal in my book.

Bender/Booker/Chriss ---- no. A future pick (either our 2017 or Miami's pick) -----ok.

Post #578 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:47 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Knight/Len/Goodwin for Aldridge.

Len gives them a young big that they are lacking. Him and Gasol would flip spots, Len at C and Gasol at PF. For some reason Knight seems like a SA/Tony Parker type player to me. Scoring the ball and doing the other intangibles (Steals/rebounds/assists). Compairing them both at 5 years in the league:
TP: 18.9 Points, 5.8 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1 steal.
BK: 19.6 Points, 5.1 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals

Pretty damn close. Its time for them to bring Parker off the bench with Ginobilli and upgrade their starting PG spot (and Mills is not the guy).

Killer trade. I would do this in a heartbeat. Clearing out the mismatched talent.

There is a chance though, since the majority here think Len, Knight and especially Goodwin are all terrible nba basketball players, that San Antonio might feel kind of the same way.

Damkac · Post #579 » by **Damkac** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:49 pm

I love those "let's trade players we don't want for a star" discussions.

Post #580 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:15 am

Damkac wrote:Will Booker be in top ten SG or is it too early?

I know it isn't good practice to base regular season production on preseason averages but Booker put up 21.5/3.5rpg/3apg/5.8FTA in just 25mpg in the preseason.

If he plays 30mpg and we were to be conservative, it isn't too crazy to think he could put up 20/3.5/3. The only guards (PG and PG) to hit this mark last season were Curry, Westbrook, Lilliard, Harden, Derozen, Lowry, Kemba Walker, McCollum, Bledsoe and Butler (if you consider him a guard).

Not only would hitting that mark put him in top 5 status for a SG, it puts him in top 10 guard territory and MIP list in my opinion.