Markelle Fultz Discussion

[76ciology]

I think Okafor has made us sensitive with +/-. He is really the process.

[Old Man Game]

Hey guys, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

It's a vocal minority. The far majority of the board loves him.

Yeah, leave me off that list as well. I love what he's shown so far. This kid can flat out score, and he has the ability to carry us in the fourth quarter of games. We finally have found our iso player that every team needs come playoff time.

Blows my mind to see some people questioning his motor. The kid gets the outlet pass and often will absolutely hit the turbo boosters attacking the rim in transition. I've never seen someone with a poor motor do that. It's not dissimilar to Westbrook and I say that as a guy who has seen 99% of the games Westbrook has played since he came into the league.

He's just so smooth and under control in the half court sets. You'd think he was a 7-8 year pro.

[Baller1234a]

My issue with Tatum is he doesn't create plays for his teammates on offense, takes too much mid range and challenge shots. Unassisted basket is as good as a bad shot in today's basketball.

Pretty much like Derozan on offense. And if you let him play with better offensive players like Hayward and IT, how much ISO JAY exposure you want on your offense?

*trademark ISO JAY

I don't see why people are so high on Tatum, I mean its like when you pass him the ball the rest of the team just as well run to the other end of the court cause the ball is going up.

Maybe it will change when he is playing with better players, but right now, he's a black hole.

He's elite at creating shots compared to most summer league player. I'd guess if they have stats for ISO, he's numbers would be great considering the volume of ISO he has

Shot creators are a premium in the NBA
And if we know anything about Brad Stevens System is that there will be good ball movement and 3s
Solid defender great rebounder and has the frame to fill out and be a 4
There are questions namely passing but what prospect doesn't?
Before coming here IT was viewed as a ball hog (or at least not a good passer) but now he gets 6 assists per game
Slot selection and Passing are his weaknesses and I'm sure as he gets older he will improve on them especially with good teammates and Brad Stevens at the helm

*Just my thoughts

[LloydFree]

Hey guys, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

For me,
It's not that he's a bad player. He's a good player. It's that it was a stupid trade for a player that isn't better than a number of the guys taken after him. If they traded up​ to get an other-worldly talent like Simmons or Embiid that's understandable. But Fultz isn't that kind of talent.
Because of the trade-up, he'll be judged against the guys who​ went behind him and the top 5 pick next year, that they they gave away. It was dumb move, to get what... the next CJ McCollum?

[Old Man Game]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It's a vocal minority. The far majority of the board loves him.

Yeah, leave me off that list as well. I love what he's shown so far. This kid can flat out score, and he has the ability to carry us in the fourth quarter of games. We finally have found our iso player that every team needs come playoff time.

Blows my mind to see some people questioning his motor. The kid gets the outlet pass and often will absolutely hit the turbo boosters attacking the rim in transition. I've never seen someone with a poor motor do that. It's not dissimilar to Westbrook and I say that as a guy who has seen 99% of the games Westbrook has played since he came into the league.

He's just so smooth and under control in the half court sets. You'd think he was a 7-8 year pro.

Yeah I haven't seen any disinterest, or lack of motivation on his part at all. People get mad because he's not fist pumping, slapping the floor on defense, and leaping around waving his arms in a summer league game. Eventually that turns into doubt about whatever someone wants to conjure up in their minds.

[Sixerscan]

I think Okafor has made us sensitive with +/-. He is really the process.

Okafor should make you sensitive to cherry picking random statistics to reinforce your preconceived notions.

[europeanfan]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

I didn't like that he said that.

PG will be shared and he won't call the shots, the coach will.

Was a bit like a dog pissing on the tree to mark his territory, saying hey I'm the starting PG, Markelle you can be, dunno, something else. You don't see one of Harden/CP3 saying "hey at the end of the day I'm the starting PG" cause that would be a dick move.

For transparency I'm not a Sixers fan, more like a Markelle fan so there's that.

[Old Man Game]

Hey guys, just stopping by your forum to check out what the buzz was on mMarkelle. I I can't believe how down so many of you are on him. I think you looks amazing. Hopefully Philly will trade him to the Thunder for a bag of chips or something if you think he's that bad.

For me,
It's not that he's a bad player. He's a good player. It's that it was a stupid trade for a player that isn't better than a number of the guys taken after him. If they traded up​ to get an other-worldly talent like Simmons or Embiid that's understandable. But Fultz isn't that kind of talent.
Because of the trade-up, he'll be judged against the guys who​ went behind him and the top 5 pick next year, that they they gave away. It was dumb move, to get what... the next CJ McCollum?

That's fair and if he ends up being no more than CJ McCollum and Tatum becomes Carmelo people will always wonder. And I'm not here to be Brian Colangelo's press agent or anything but it does mean something just looking at this objectively that Fultz has been the consensus number 1 overall pick all year long. Guys moved up and down the more respected mock drafts in the 2-5 range but Fultz has been the constant. Can't be too mad at 'em for finding a way to take the consensus best player in what is perceived as a strong draft.

[Unbreakable99]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

I didn't like that he said that.

PG will be shared and he won't call the shots, the coach will.

Was a bit like a dog pissing on the tree to mark his territory, saying hey I'm the starting PG, Markelle you can be, dunno, something else. You don't see one of Harden/CP3 saying "hey at the end of the day I'm the starting PG" cause that would be a dick move.

For transparency I'm not a Sixers fan, more like a Markelle fan so there's that.

There's no issue. BC said Simmons is the starting PG. Brett Brown said Simmons will be the starting PG. Simmons just said the same thing. And Simmons is a better distributor than Fultz at this time and passes better so I would prefer Simmons running the team anyway. Fultz has a combo guard mentality anyway. I don't see Fultz as a natural PG. I think he can adjust to playing off the ball. But the Sixers will run. Simmons and Fultz will bring the ball up and on fast breaks. Simmons is one of the most unselfish players I have seen come out in a long time. Simmons loves to pass so I don't see a problem.

[ivysixer2000]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

I didn't like that he said that.

PG will be shared and he won't call the shots, the coach will.

Was a bit like a dog pissing on the tree to mark his territory, saying hey I'm the starting PG, Markelle you can be, dunno, something else. You don't see one of Harden/CP3 saying "hey at the end of the day I'm the starting PG" cause that would be a dick move.

For transparency I'm not a Sixers fan, more like a Markelle fan so there's that.

Well I took it as him going middle ground with that, backing his coach while saying whoever gets the ball they are going to run anyway. Its not like one of them 'has to have the ball', more of they will share.

I don't know what this obsession is how talented players will play together, especially if they are a good fit. They will make it work.

People really underestimate the social aspect among basketball players.

[Simmons25]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

I didn't like that he said that.

PG will be shared and he won't call the shots, the coach will.

Was a bit like a dog pissing on the tree to mark his territory, saying hey I'm the starting PG, Markelle you can be, dunno, something else. You don't see one of Harden/CP3 saying "hey at the end of the day I'm the starting PG" cause that would be a dick move.

For transparency I'm not a Sixers fan, more like a Markelle fan so there's that.

LOL mountain out of a molehill. Simmons is just annoyed that people keep questioning this all the time and that the insuation that somehow now that they have a "real point guard" they keep asking him if will be become the Power Forward. He is probably getting almost as sick of being asked the question as I am.

He was continually saying he was a "point guard not point forward" well before Fultz ever got drafted. End of the day it doesn't really matter... and Simmons even said they will both be sharing the ball and both like to pass. They will both have ball handling duties throughout the game.

It also makes complete sense that you start Fultz at the 2 given that he is a far better shooter and outside shot creator than Simmons is... and Simmons is a generational 6ft 10" with point guard and elite passing skills... you aren't starting him at the 4.

[Chris76]

Do you guys have any concerns about how Simmons will handle the Fultz experience? They talked to Simmons on the ESPN broadcast last night and asked something like, 'Well you were supposed to play the point. What do you think now that you've got Fultz who is a PG?' And he said something (just from memory here) like, 'Yeah I'm playing the point, Markelle will be fine, we'll grab the rebound and run.'

Three guard lineups are all the rage now anyway so I'm not sure why this is a big deal if you substitute a Point Forward for a traditional PG. But his response did make me wonder where Simmons' head was at in all this.

I didn't like that he said that.

PG will be shared and he won't call the shots, the coach will.

Was a bit like a dog pissing on the tree to mark his territory, saying hey I'm the starting PG, Markelle you can be, dunno, something else. You don't see one of Harden/CP3 saying "hey at the end of the day I'm the starting PG" cause that would be a dick move.

For transparency I'm not a Sixers fan, more like a Markelle fan so there's that.

European fan obviously your not a Sixers fan, you just wanted to badmouth Simmons, not cool. Simmons said nothing negative about Fultz, just they will be a fast pace team. Fultz will guard Pgs and Simmons will guard PFs.

[JojoSlimbiid]

The ball will eventually be in the hands of who uses it better. Have a feeling things may not go the way some assume it will but we'll see.

[Simmons25]

The ball will eventually be in the hands of who uses it better. Have a feeling things may not go the way some assume it will but we'll see.

Who do you think that will be?

[76ciology]

I think Okafor has made us sensitive with +/-. He is really the process.

Okafor should make you sensitive to cherry picking random statistics to reinforce your preconceived notions.

Yeah like DRPM. Where he's better than Towns. I kid..

[eagereyez]

I don't believe that anybody's a hater, just that fans tend to overreact and exaggerate, especially to SL.

Starters were negative again yesterday, so in every game they've been negative. The only starter that has had a positive plus/minus in any game the entire SL was TLC against the Celtics.

Fultz is going to be more scrutinized due to the price we paid to trade up for him, fair or not. There'd be less scrutiny if he was just a normal draft pick. He really needs to separate himself from the guys taken after him otherwise the trade will look really bad. Considering the price we paid to trade up, I would have just taken DSJ and called it a night. Obviously I hope Fultz proves me wrong.

[shlo]

I don't believe that anybody's a hater, just that fans tend to overreact and exaggerate, especially to SL.

Starters were negative again yesterday, so in every game they've been negative. The only starter that has had a positive plus/minus in any game the entire SL was TLC against the Celtics.

Fultz is going to be more scrutinized due to the price we paid to trade up for him, fair or not. There'd be less scrutiny if he was just a normal draft pick. He really needs to separate himself from the guys taken after him otherwise the trade will look really bad. Considering the price we paid to trade up, I would have just taken DSJ and called it a night. Obviously I hope Fultz proves me wrong.

Agreed. I don't think Fultz was worth the trade up. Hope I'm wrong.

[broseph13]

I don't believe that anybody's a hater, just that fans tend to overreact and exaggerate, especially to SL.

Starters were negative again yesterday, so in every game they've been negative. The only starter that has had a positive plus/minus in any game the entire SL was TLC against the Celtics.

Fultz is going to be more scrutinized due to the price we paid to trade up for him, fair or not. There'd be less scrutiny if he was just a normal draft pick. He really needs to separate himself from the guys taken after him otherwise the trade will look really bad. Considering the price we paid to trade up, I would have just taken DSJ and called it a night. Obviously I hope Fultz proves me wrong.

I agree. Even before the draft I thought DSJ was the pick and was actually a bit disappointed when I heard BC traded up to get Fultz. I think he can be a very good player, but I've never been a fan of non-alpha type guards (especially if you plan on using them as PG)...and Fultz definitely isn't an alpha.

That said, if the Lakers pick or Sac pick end up being 2-5, I predict this trade will end up being really bad; primarily because I don't feel like Fultz will be an elite-level player. A good/very good player, but not elite.

[eyeatoma]

I don't believe that anybody's a hater, just that fans tend to overreact and exaggerate, especially to SL.

Starters were negative again yesterday, so in every game they've been negative. The only starter that has had a positive plus/minus in any game the entire SL was TLC against the Celtics.

Fultz is going to be more scrutinized due to the price we paid to trade up for him, fair or not. There'd be less scrutiny if he was just a normal draft pick. He really needs to separate himself from the guys taken after him otherwise the trade will look really bad. Considering the price we paid to trade up, I would have just taken DSJ and called it a night. Obviously I hope Fultz proves me wrong.

I agree. Even before the draft I thought DSJ was the pick and was actually a bit disappointed when I heard BC traded up to get Fultz. I think he can be a very good player, but I've never been a fan of non-alpha type guards (especially if you plan on using them as PG)...and Fultz definitely isn't an alpha.

That said, if the Lakers pick or Sac pick end up being 2-5, I predict this trade will end up being really bad; primarily because I don't feel like Fultz will be an elite-level player. A good/very good player, but not elite.

You don't think his acl injury is cause for concern
.. You want two of our building blocks to be one injury away from having their career ended?

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