Future Draft Games

Moderators: Snakebites, MadNESS, Fadeaway_J

migya
General Manager
Posts: 8,204
And1: 1,515
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#561 » by migya » Sat Sep 8, 2018 2:24 am

Laimbeer wrote:Bird, Fade, Tony, migya, and Dr P are the better ones for me at first glance. Overall a very solid job of building by everyone and the talent wasn't as thin as I anticipated.


I like most teams to be honest. Your is quite good too Laimbeer. I'm not opposed to very good scorers that are average defenders, as it depends how good the are scoring and how they blend with other players on both ends.
migya
General Manager
Posts: 8,204
And1: 1,515
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#562 » by migya » Sun Sep 9, 2018 1:47 pm

Only 7 guys are in the current draft game that's happening, so we can have another draft, not just for those not in the Four Seasons Draft, but anyone here.

Draft game proposal - Awards only draft. Participants can only select players who won one of the nba awards; MVP, DPOY, MIP, ROY, 6TH MAN OY, FMVP.

There are just over 140 different players who won these awards so the player pool works for 15 participants.
User avatar
8on
RealGM
Posts: 10,562
And1: 3,201
Joined: Nov 07, 2015
Location: Palookaville, ND
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#563 » by 8on » Sun Sep 9, 2018 10:43 pm

migya wrote:Only 7 guys are in the current draft game that's happening, so we can have another draft, not just for those not in the Four Seasons Draft, but anyone here.

Draft game proposal - Awards only draft. Participants can only select players who won one of the nba awards; MVP, DPOY, MIP, ROY, 6TH MAN OY, FMVP.

There are just over 140 different players who won these awards so the player pool works for 15 participants.


Add All-Star Game MVP and Hall of Fame?
migya
General Manager
Posts: 8,204
And1: 1,515
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#564 » by migya » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:45 am

8on wrote:
migya wrote:Only 7 guys are in the current draft game that's happening, so we can have another draft, not just for those not in the Four Seasons Draft, but anyone here.

Draft game proposal - Awards only draft. Participants can only select players who won one of the nba awards; MVP, DPOY, MIP, ROY, 6TH MAN OY, FMVP.

There are just over 140 different players who won these awards so the player pool works for 15 participants.


Add All-Star Game MVP and Hall of Fame?



Maybe Allstar starters otherwise the pool would be too big.
User avatar
8on
RealGM
Posts: 10,562
And1: 3,201
Joined: Nov 07, 2015
Location: Palookaville, ND
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#565 » by 8on » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:52 am

migya wrote:
8on wrote:
migya wrote:Only 7 guys are in the current draft game that's happening, so we can have another draft, not just for those not in the Four Seasons Draft, but anyone here.

Draft game proposal - Awards only draft. Participants can only select players who won one of the nba awards; MVP, DPOY, MIP, ROY, 6TH MAN OY, FMVP.

There are just over 140 different players who won these awards so the player pool works for 15 participants.


Add All-Star Game MVP and Hall of Fame?



Maybe Allstar starters otherwise the pool would be too big.


you could limit the time period so you don't get all the Hall of Famers. or you could do All-Star starters. or whatever.
migya
General Manager
Posts: 8,204
And1: 1,515
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#566 » by migya » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:59 am

8on wrote:
migya wrote:
8on wrote:
Add All-Star Game MVP and Hall of Fame?



Maybe Allstar starters otherwise the pool would be too big.


you could limit the time period so you don't get all the Hall of Famers. or you could do All-Star starters. or whatever.



Was thinking 1980 onwards.
ardee
RealGM
Posts: 15,320
And1: 5,397
Joined: Nov 16, 2011

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#567 » by ardee » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:39 pm

Let's do something soon regardless, Four Seasons is almost over.

The awards draft is cool. MVP, Finals MVP, AS MVP, DPOY, ROY, 6MOY, and maybe for fun the Citizenship award?
User avatar
8on
RealGM
Posts: 10,562
And1: 3,201
Joined: Nov 07, 2015
Location: Palookaville, ND
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#568 » by 8on » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:42 pm

ardee wrote:Let's do something soon regardless, Four Seasons is almost over.

The awards draft is cool. MVP, Finals MVP, AS MVP, DPOY, ROY, 6MOY, and maybe for fun the Citizenship award?


MIP and HOF. HOF could be useful in a number of ways.

maybe have it be so that you have to use the season in which the player won the award, unless it’s HOF in which case you can use any season? Basically functions as an exception
ardee
RealGM
Posts: 15,320
And1: 5,397
Joined: Nov 16, 2011

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#569 » by ardee » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:10 pm

8on wrote:
ardee wrote:Let's do something soon regardless, Four Seasons is almost over.

The awards draft is cool. MVP, Finals MVP, AS MVP, DPOY, ROY, 6MOY, and maybe for fun the Citizenship award?


MIP and HOF. HOF could be useful in a number of ways.

maybe have it be so that you have to use the season in which the player won the award, unless it’s HOF in which case you can use any season? Basically functions as an exception


Doesn't HOF allow us all the stars who retired before 2013? That is kind of a huge pool then.
User avatar
8on
RealGM
Posts: 10,562
And1: 3,201
Joined: Nov 07, 2015
Location: Palookaville, ND
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#570 » by 8on » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:17 pm

ardee wrote:
8on wrote:
ardee wrote:Let's do something soon regardless, Four Seasons is almost over.

The awards draft is cool. MVP, Finals MVP, AS MVP, DPOY, ROY, 6MOY, and maybe for fun the Citizenship award?


MIP and HOF. HOF could be useful in a number of ways.

maybe have it be so that you have to use the season in which the player won the award, unless it’s HOF in which case you can use any season? Basically functions as an exception


Doesn't HOF allow us all the stars who retired before 2013? That is kind of a huge pool then.


It’s only one pick. If you can afford someone like that, good. Not every All Star is a Hall of Famer. Like I said, it provides a bit of flexibility.
User avatar
8on
RealGM
Posts: 10,562
And1: 3,201
Joined: Nov 07, 2015
Location: Palookaville, ND
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#571 » by 8on » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:33 pm

The Five Seasons Draft!
89-90, 95-96, 99-00, 05-06, 16-17

In his edition, you have at least one, if not two prime seasons of all the MVPs and 1st team All NBA guys.
ardee
RealGM
Posts: 15,320
And1: 5,397
Joined: Nov 16, 2011

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#572 » by ardee » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:41 pm

8on wrote:
ardee wrote:
8on wrote:
MIP and HOF. HOF could be useful in a number of ways.

maybe have it be so that you have to use the season in which the player won the award, unless it’s HOF in which case you can use any season? Basically functions as an exception


Doesn't HOF allow us all the stars who retired before 2013? That is kind of a huge pool then.


It’s only one pick. If you can afford someone like that, good. Not every All Star is a Hall of Famer. Like I said, it provides a bit of flexibility.


Oh wait you mean one for each award? Not just the pool of all those players? I dig that actually, I'm fine with that.
Fadeaway_J
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 28,673
And1: 7,686
Joined: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Kingston, Jamaica
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#573 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:42 am

What about this twist on the MVP teammates idea?

You can pick anyone who was a teammate of an MVP at any point in their careers. You can also use any season of that player's career. However... The MVPs themselves are not eligible to be picked, and you can't use any MVP to link to more than one player.
User avatar
Dr Positivity
RealGM
Posts: 62,993
And1: 16,444
Joined: Apr 29, 2009
       

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#574 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:42 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:What about this twist on the MVP teammates idea?

You can pick anyone who was a teammate of an MVP at any point in their careers. You can also use any season of that player's career. However... The MVPs themselves are not eligible to be picked, and you can't use any MVP to link to more than one player.


Might be a little overpowered to those who get the elite non MVPs like Wade, Kawhi, Pippen, Paul, moreso than the last one because high picks can't be spent on MJ and LBJ this time, and because some of the stars like Ewing and recent players like Davis/Giannis aren't available
It's going to be a glorious day... I feel my luck could change
Fadeaway_J
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 28,673
And1: 7,686
Joined: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Kingston, Jamaica
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#575 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:55 am

Dr Positivity wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:What about this twist on the MVP teammates idea?

You can pick anyone who was a teammate of an MVP at any point in their careers. You can also use any season of that player's career. However... The MVPs themselves are not eligible to be picked, and you can't use any MVP to link to more than one player.


Might be a little overpowered to those who get the elite non MVPs like Wade, Kawhi, Pippen, Paul, moreso than the last one because high picks can't be spent on MJ and LBJ this time, and because some of the stars like Ewing and recent players like Davis/Giannis aren't available

I don't think those guys are that overpowered considering the talent pool is far deeper. Is having Wade or Pippen instead of someone like T-Mac or Hill really going to decide the draft?
User avatar
Laimbeer
RealGM
Posts: 43,106
And1: 15,168
Joined: Aug 12, 2009
Location: Cabin Creek
     

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#576 » by Laimbeer » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:39 pm

How about a game based on 2017-18 salaries? Instead of a FGA cap, we would get a salary cap. Of course there would be some bargains, but that would be part of the strategy. A different way to value players and same season for all, eliminating any era translation.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
6) He's a good mentor/locker room guy
migya
General Manager
Posts: 8,204
And1: 1,515
Joined: Aug 13, 2005

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#577 » by migya » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:21 pm

Laimbeer wrote:How about a game based on 2017-18 salaries? Instead of a FGA cap, we would get a salary cap. Of course there would be some bargains, but that would be part of the strategy. A different way to value players and same season for all, eliminating any era translation.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html



You mean just using players that are playing this coming season? Because how can you use players who played years ago and got much less salaries.
User avatar
Laimbeer
RealGM
Posts: 43,106
And1: 15,168
Joined: Aug 12, 2009
Location: Cabin Creek
     

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#578 » by Laimbeer » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:23 pm

migya wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:How about a game based on 2017-18 salaries? Instead of a FGA cap, we would get a salary cap. Of course there would be some bargains, but that would be part of the strategy. A different way to value players and same season for all, eliminating any era translation.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html



You mean just using players that are playing this coming season? Because how can you use players who played years ago and got much less salaries.


Just 2017-18 seasons would be used, along with their 2017-18 salaries.
Comments to rationalize bad contracts -
1) It's less than the MLE
2) He can be traded later
3) It's only __% of the cap
4) The cap is going up
5) It's only __ years
6) He's a good mentor/locker room guy
User avatar
Dr Positivity
RealGM
Posts: 62,993
And1: 16,444
Joined: Apr 29, 2009
       

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#579 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:55 am

A short FGA game (50-60) would probably be like the recent games in terms of deciding between one MJ and balance
It's going to be a glorious day... I feel my luck could change
Fadeaway_J
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 28,673
And1: 7,686
Joined: Jul 25, 2016
Location: Kingston, Jamaica
   

Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#580 » by Fadeaway_J » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:03 am

Dr Positivity wrote:A short FGA game (50-60) would probably be like the recent games in terms of deciding between one MJ and balance

60 FGA isn't remotely realistic for an 8-man rotation. It's tight even for a starting lineup.

I was thinking of doing the one player per country idea next, just trying to work out the best way to prevent top picks from being overpowered.

Return to Trades and Transactions Games