Political Roundtable Part XX

[JWizmentality]

maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...

I don't think that was ever a question....but Hilary aint President.

[gtn130]

Hillary authorized the murder of a sitting leader and authorized illegal drone strikes, that killed THOUSANDS of innocent civilians.

But that's okay, because she's a democrat, right?

Imagine a world where two things can be bad with one being worse than the other.

imagine a world where being the leader of a State. Any State. Anywhere. Is. A. Dirty. Phuckin. Job. Choir boys dont exist and need not apply. Get over it.

Hurrrr durrrr

Get over it.

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I know you're not a fact guy, but here are the facts on Trumps promises, he hasn't delivered on most.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

[TGW]

maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...

I don't think that was ever a question....but Hilary aint President.

True, yet she is still the topic of discussion in this thread, and I'm not the one bringing her up.

[JWizmentality]

maybe one day, all of you partisan hacks will admit that BOTH trump and hillary are crooked. maybe...

I don't think that was ever a question....but Hilary aint President.

True, yet she is still the topic of discussion in this thread, and I'm not the one bringing her up.

Only conservatives still talk about her. Its an obsession.

[stilldropin20]

if you read nothing else. read this article that nunes links.

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tucker spot on as usual.

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Yeah, y'all might want to pay attention to this one. Its a pretty big deal.

The Hill:

In 2009, when Mueller ran the FBI, the bureau asked Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska to spend millions of his own dollars funding an FBI-supervised operation to rescue a retired FBI agent, Robert Levinson, captured in Iran while working for the CIA in 2007.


Yes, that’s the same Deripaska who has surfaced in Mueller’s current investigation and who was recently sanctioned by the Trump administration.
One agent who helped court Deripaska was Andrew McCabe, the recently fired FBI deputy director who played a seminal role starting the Trump-Russia case, multiple sources confirmed.

Deripaska’s lawyer said the Russian ultimately spent $25 million assembling a private search and rescue team that worked with Iranian contacts under the FBI’s watchful eye. Photos and videos indicating Levinson was alive were uncovered.

Then in fall 2010, the operation secured an offer to free Levinson. The deal was scuttled, however, when the State Department become uncomfortable with Iran’s terms, according to Deripaska’s lawyer and the Levinson family.

FBI officials confirmed State hampered their efforts.

The FBI had three reasons for choosing Deripaska for a mission worthy of a spy novel. First, his aluminum empire had business in Iran. Second, the FBI wanted a foreigner to fund the operation because spending money in Iran might violate U.S. sanctions and other laws. Third, agents knew Deripaska had been banished since 2006 from the United States by State over reports he had ties to organized crime and other nefarious activities. He denies the allegations, and nothing was ever proven in court.

The FBI rewarded Deripaska for his help. In fall 2009, according to U.S. entry records, Deripaska visited Washington on a rare law enforcement parole visa. And since 2011, he has been granted entry at least eight times on a diplomatic passport, even though he doesn’t work for the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Former FBI officials confirm they arranged the access.

Then, over the past two years, evidence emerged tying him to former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, the first defendant charged by Mueller’s Russia probe with money laundering and illegal lobbying.

Deripaska once hired Manafort as a political adviser and invested money with him in a business venture that went bad. Deripaska sued Manafort, alleging he stole money.

Mueller’s indictment of Manafort makes no mention of Deripaska, even though prosecutors have evidence that Manafort contemplated inviting his old Russian client for a 2016 Trump campaign briefing. Deripaska said he never got the invite and investigators have found no evidence it occurred. There’s no public evidence Deripaska had anything to do with election meddling.

Deripaska also appears to be one of the first Russians the FBI asked for help when it began investigating the now-infamous Fusion GPS “Steele Dossier.” Waldman, his American lawyer until the sanctions hit, gave me a detailed account, some of which U.S. officials confirm separately.

Two months before Trump was elected president, Deripaska was in New York as part of Russia’s United Nations delegation when three FBI agents awakened him in his home; at least one agent had worked with Deripaska on the aborted effort to rescue Levinson. During an hour-long visit, the agents posited a theory that Trump’s campaign was secretly colluding with Russia to hijack the U.S. election.

“Deripaska laughed but realized, despite the joviality, that they were serious,” the lawyer said. “So he told them in his informed opinion the idea they were proposing was false. ‘You are trying to create something out of nothing,’ he told them.” The agents left though the FBI sought more information in 2017 from the Russian, sources tell me. Waldman declined to say if Deripaska has been in contact with the FBI since Sept, 2016.

So why care about some banished Russian oligarch’s account now?

Two reasons.

First, as the FBI prepared to get authority to surveil figures on Trump’s campaign team, did it disclose to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that one of its past Russian sources waived them off the notion of Trump-Russia collusion?

Second, the U.S. government in April imposed sanctions on Deripaska, one of several prominent Russians targeted to punish Vladimir Putin — using the same sort of allegations that State used from 2006 to 2009. Yet, between those two episodes, Deripaska seemed good enough for the FBI to ask him to fund that multimillion-dollar rescue mission. And to seek his help on a sensitive political investigation. And to allow him into the country eight times.

I was alerted to Deripaska’s past FBI relationship by U.S. officials who wondered whether the Russian’s conspicuous absence from Mueller’s indictments might be related to his FBI work.

They aren’t the only ones.

Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz told me he believes Mueller has a conflict of interest because his FBI previously accepted financial help from a Russian that is, at the very least, a witness in the current probe.

“The real question becomes whether it was proper to leave [Deripaska] out of the Manafort indictment, and whether that omission was to avoid the kind of transparency that is really required by the law,” Dershowitz said.

Melanie Sloan, a former Clinton Justice Department lawyer and longtime ethics watchdog, told me a “far more significant issue” is whether the earlier FBI operation was even legal: “It’s possible the bureau’s arrangement with Mr. Deripaska violated the Antideficiency Act, which prohibits the government from accepting voluntary services.”

George Washington University constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley agreed: “If the operation with Deripaska contravened federal law, this figure could be viewed as a potential embarrassment for Mueller. The question is whether he could implicate Mueller in an impropriety.”

Now that sources have unmasked the Deripaska story, time will tell whether the courts, Justice, Congress or a defendant formally questions if Mueller is conflicted.

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[stilldropin20]

I mean, be honest with yourself. It doesn't trouble you at all that Clinton deleted 30,000 emails, acid washed the hard drives, smashed blackberries and everyone was given immunity before questioning?

And for the 'immunity'. It was granted to the IT professionals who were directed to oversee tech for HRC et al. Standard procedure for procecution to elicit information from lower level functionaries to try to get them to snitch on their superiors, especially if they have nothing particularly strong they can leverage them with. Sounds paradoxical, but if they know they dont have a strong case against someone they can't offer them a reduced sentence etc. so instead prosecuters make a virtue of necessity and offer them immunity to see if they will offer up any tidbits that they have not been able to ferret out themselves. If the IT professionals had anything then they could freely snitch. HRC et al werte not given immunity, just the low-level tech woodchucks.

i'm was going to leave the "emails thing" alone because its not that compelling to me but i am not leaving this "immunity" thing alone.

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????


I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing. You are waaaaaaaaaaaay too smart to even make me type all that out. So the question is, you bored or something? Slipping? Desperate to back theliberals at all costs like the rest of the illogical loony tunes? Or do you really think this is how you catch a big fish? Standard immunity protocol for all the little fish, huh?

I'll tell you what. You can leave all that alone because we both know the answer to all of it and just answer this question. if Nate33 is who you say he is? (And he is) We all know is one of the Genius' on this site. And he almost strictly uses sound logic to make his arguments going back a decade and a half. and he has made some of the best arguments in all of these pages. And when he is wrong, he isnot only big enough to accept it but also WISE ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE IT. If that's all true??

And Nate is all that? And his line in the sand on all of "this stuff" is as firm as mine. And what if I really am who I say I am? What makes you guys so damn certain that we are wrong?? What if we are right? ON ALL OF THIS???

[nate33]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

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I know you're not a fact guy, but here are the facts on Trumps promises, he hasn't delivered on most.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

That's a good link closg00. My read is that Trump is delivering on nearly all of them. He has only been president for 17 months. One can't expect all of his promises to have been fully implemented. I consider "in the works" to be upholding his promises. So, by that standard, the only promise Trump hasn't yet delivered on is infrastructure and Syria safe zones. And infrastructure is coming. (The website also ranks "no cuts on Social Security and Medicare" as not being upheld, but that's based on raw speculation on what overhaul would look like.)

[TGW]

So let's get this right...Pompeo and the Dump Admin want denuclearization in it's North Korea deal, with NK getting their money and access to services if they comply.

Sound eerily similar to something else...

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I don't know how anyone can defend this phony ass "foreign policy." There's no consistency other than if it was done by Obama, undo it.

[dckingsfan]

I know you're not a fact guy, but here are the facts on Trumps promises, he hasn't delivered on most.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

I think this is kind of missing the point. I think most (even on the right) acknowledge that he is a serial liar and awful person. The question thus far is has he been a good President?

Economy - my vote would be no. He hasn't put in place any drivers that would increase long-term growth - quite the opposite. He is riding a wave but that is about it.

Sustainability of the government - my vote would be no. His tax bill was anything but and he is willing to spend irrationally on both defense and entitlements and hasn't done anything meaningful nor has he proposed anything meaningful to contain the healthcare cost drivers.

Foreign policy - maybe. He has several balls in the court including limiting illegal immigration, the start of trade containment with China, Korea denuclearization, etc., trying to get allies to pay their fair share. This could turn out very good for the US...

[stilldropin20]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

piling on for a second:

2 trump administration officials/employees/campaign advisors have now been forced to sell their homes just to pay for their federal legal fees...which generally cost $25,000 every time you appear in federal court. Retainers for a federal case that is headed to court is typically start at $125,000.

general Flynn plead out for a crime he did not even commit. lying to the FBI. And still had to sell his home to pay for his legal fees.

micheal caputo claims he is innocent and is fighting in court.

Hope Hicks comes from a family with money or else she would have been forced to compose a narrative just to avoid mueller's debter's prison version of justice.

manafort has his own money. But had to put up $10,000,000 to stay out of jail!!!!???? What if he only had $1,000,000? Or only $100,000? he'd be in jail!!! For filling out a loan document with technical errors????? 14 years ago!!!!?????

I understand you guys want trump to go down so anyone else that has to go down in order to "get trump" is all fun a games. But this IS NOT JUSTICE.

This is not how are justice system works or is suppose to work. This is how you go after hardened criminals like hardcore organized crime figures that sell drugs to our children and prostitute our daughters. This is NOT how you go after a guy who filled out a loan document incorrectly. If he even filled it out incorrectly. Just so you know, this almost certainly has to do with (over)"stated income" which was legal prior to sub-prime loan financial collapse for those that are self-employed. Or it has to do with claiming that the loan is for an (intended) owner occupied building. Both were common in the 2 decades leading up to the sub prime collapse.

And neither provable in court because who is to say where anyone "intended" to live prior to final purchase. and you can literally change your mind a split second after you close on a property...so long as you dont tell on yourself. I dont recommend nor would I ever do it. but legally? You cant prove or disprove intent without a paper trail that tells on yourself. If the issue was (over) "stating" your income<--manafort can simply say it was based on preliminary accounting and/or refile his taxes for that year and pay excessive fees, fines, interest.

$10,000,000 bail for that???? Thats fair?? pay it or he sits in jail!!???? murders/manslaughter/rapists get free on bail for $150,000 and less at times depending on circumstance. At worst, this guy lied about how much his income was or if he intended to live in a property.

Caputo has had $125,000 in legal fees for what also amounts to nothing. just pressure from Mueller to appear in federal court multiple times. So he had to move from upstate NY back to Washington DC so as to earn enough to pay it.

Andy Mccabe knows the law. knows what is coming. So he started a go fund me to pay for this stuff. Even before he is indicted on any charges. Already collected over $500,000 on the gofundme. And his wife is a doctor??? Why is he allowed to get ahead of this with a gofundme?? Why is the public so stupid so as to even fund it??? This is the guy that literally made up most of the collusion narrative by himself because he was gunning for Comey's job!!!! He wanted (and was likely promised) the director of the FBI job.

Back to Hope Hicks...seriously...you guys are "ok" with that? If it happened to Obama. What if Obama's personal assistant was dragged in front of a special prosecutor and forced to lawyer up to the tune of $75,000 and could not afford it? And forced to Sing? Hicks was lucky. and trump was lucky that most of his "people" have enough money so as to not be THAT intimidated by muellers debter's prison version of "justice."

But this is NOT justice. its not even close to fair. Again, I dont mind these tactics for hard core crimes like murder, rape, pedophilia, hard core mass drug dealers.

but bank fraud? And here's the rub...they would NOT even have the bank fraud charges on manafort if they did NOT raid his home a seize all of his old records.

I get it. You guys want Trump so this is justice for you. But then dont come back in these pages and post some video of some guy on the street that is resisting arrest for likely petty crime and gets injured or killed by police while resisting arrest. You want civil rights justice to prevail or you dont. where are your civil rights for manafort? For hope hicks? For Trump himself??

BTW, guess how much the trump inner family and Trump organization has paid in legal fees to date??? take a guess. Over $40,000,000. Yes Million!!!!! You think that is justice?? Half the country doesn't like the results of an election...so a duly elected president gets fake charges brought against him and people around him just to over turn an election???????

Thats fair???? And you want me to cry because some guy on the street gets killed resisting arrest for petty crime? Who will merely have to lawyer up(for free or spend a whole $400 on a cheap attorney)...maybe spend 5 hours at a police station and go home?? You want me to cry for that guy's justice who only has to NOT resist arrest and he would be fine. and you think it fair for the trumps to take on over $40 million in legal fees?? flynn and caputo to sell their homes???

[Zonkerbl]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

Lies from the very first paragraph. Didn’t have to read past “Hillary deleted her emails after she was subpoenaed.” Hillary didn’t do ****.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

You have zero credibility. Please stop.

[popper]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

Lies from the very first paragraph. Didn’t have to read past “Hillary deleted her emails after she was subpoenaed.” Hillary didn’t do ****.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

You have zero credibility. Please stop.

From the link you provided:

Trump’s timeline is correct. The congressional subpoena came on March 4, 2015, and an employee deleted the emails sometime after March 25, 2015, three weeks later.

[nate33]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

Lies from the very first paragraph. Didn’t have to read past “Hillary deleted her emails after she was subpoenaed.” Hillary didn’t do ****.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

You have zero credibility. Please stop.

YOU have no credibility. That link supports the fact that the emails were deleted after they were subpoenaed. The carefully worded phrase "The FBI found no evidence that the emails were deleted deliberately to avoid the subpoena or other requests" is meaningless because all of the relevant personnel were granted immunity before they could be questioned on whether or not they were instructed to delete the emails. Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's a cover up.

[stilldropin20]

Guys, I know you are firmly ensconced on your side of the issue and your sole goal in politics at the moment is to remove the evil cheeto-Hitler Donald Trump. But if you want to have any intellectual honesty on these issues, please read what SD20 wrote below. It's an extremely good summary of the totally outrageous double standard we have concerning the Trump investigation. I'd be very interested in how you respond to this. How is SD20 wrong on this?

Recapping: These emails had been formally requested by congress intelligence oversight and the FBI as "evidence" for both benghazi and later the "email gate." And we were first told (by HRC) that her personal server was ONLY for personal emails. And then she said that they were "destroyed." Not true. And Not true. 2 lies to congress and to the FBI.

They emails were NOT solely personal and in fact "work" emails were on her unsecure private server and they were NOT destroyed. Both lies to congress and to the FBI. Both federal offenses. She also knowingly attempted to destroy evidence which is a conspiracy to deceive the federal government. Another felony.

I once held a TS-SI-SCI security clearance. tops in the nation at the time. I know the rules. Nearly every mission i completed is still classified. and if i talk about them i risk 70 years in federal prison. If i carried single piece of paper from a textbook marked secret or higher (heck even marked classified)out of the classroom or off of the boat back in the day i would be doing time in military prison. YEARS. Then be dishonorably discharged. A navy sailor was just recently pardoned by trump for a photo on a (old) submarine. I need not belabor this point.

So in addition to lying to congress(multiple times). Conspiring. And Obstructing. HRC also broke espionage laws by sending both classified and Secret and above material on a non secure (private) server. No different than the sailor using his personal server (his phone) to store his photo.

By erasing, deleting. bleach bit, acid wash, whatever you want to call it...she attempted to destroy evidence which had already been requested by congress and the FBI to be preserved as evidence. Which is a(nother) federal offense she broke. I am now up to at least:

1. 2 lies to the FBI and congress. get out of jail for free.
2. multiple espionage act violations for each piece of classified emails ( i believe there were over 20 or 30), and then detroying evidence on multple counts for each peice of evidence. I mean the FBI could have charged her on the 30,000 counts of distruciton of evidence for each email she attempted to destroy. get out of jail for free.
3. Then they could have charged her and her husband with obstruction of justice, given Lynch recused herself. and everyone knew HRC would be the next president. Or? if no, obstruction then why recuse??
4. then she caught amnesia on the witness stand and said "i dont recall" to 119 questions in a row to congress in regards to all of the above. Which was a lie. Albeit one you cant necessarily prove(without the ability to press everyone around her that was involved to see what she actually knew and didn't know and what she tried to "cover up").
5. Conspiracy to deceive the federal government.

And thats why your standard protocol "immunity" granting is bull effing shxt. That is NOT the way immunity works. Ever. You dig for dirt fisrt. get the goods. then offer immunity after they tell you what you want to hear. AKA sing. 30 minutes of a single episode of law and order will teach you that!!! So, why the double standard????!!! Monte and i discussed the other day. They have gone after Trump and every single trump associate as though this is a RICO case. 4am raids, search and seizure. Then questioning. Charging Flynn with the most frivolous of charges...even when the actual interrogators felt flynn was being genuine. So, Why not go after HRC the same???? Where is the equal justice under the law??? Why grant everyone immunity prior to questioning?????? This makes no sense. light sentencing??? maybe??? but the way you go after them is the same way you go went Flynn, Manaforte, Page, etc. You obtain FISA warrants on all of them. surveil them and all of their associates. Unturn every stone. Find the broken laws, even if technicalities. Followed with a full court federal prosecution press. make them spend $25K per pop in federal court. Hope Hicks, for example, has had $75,000 in legal fees dues to the 3 times she was brought before mueller!! That's more than she earned on the job!!!!!!!!! its 25K a pop in federal court!! Why were the HRC IT aides and all the low-level staffers NOT forced to lawyer up the same as hope hicks!!!!!!!!?????????????? Why not Find the dirt on them and press them to sing against HRC (if they knew or observed HRC to brake any laws)??????? Why????? And be certain. I'm not promoting composition here. just singing. tell the damn story. tell us what they knew with the pressure of going to jail if they did not give up anyone else. namely HRC. Why were they not compelled to sing?????

I mean i know damn well why and I assume you do to. Its called loretta lynch and eric holder had Obama's back. its called HRC and ObAma know the law...well enough to manipulate it...which means they were smart enough to have friends where they needed them. It's called Obama hired an AG that he or the DNC had dirt on or would protect him/HRC at all costs. Bill Clinton had already appointed Lynch as NYAG. Likely already had dirt on her so as to be bally enough to stop her plane on the tarmac and discuss "grandchildren" with her. its called everyone on planet earth KNEW HRC would be the next president. And they all wanted to keep their (politically appointed) jobs!! Which is another way of saying, its called obstruction of justice. at least 4 counts!

So yeah..."Standard immunity protocol," my ass. You literally made that up. And it is literally ineffective. It makes no sense. If the small fish got immunity every time you would literally never catch the big fish. Or the small fish either because you already given them immunity before you even question them. Where's the leverage??? they would never be compelled to sing.

This is a completely fair and accurate analysis. If we had an honest media, you would get this side of the story as well. But we don't. We have a media that is unified in its goal to remove Trump. They are not the news media. They are propaganda for the Democrat party.

Lies from the very first paragraph. Didn’t have to read past “Hillary deleted her emails after she was subpoenaed.” Hillary didn’t do ****.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/09/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-deleted-33000-em/

You have zero credibility. Please stop.

from your article which is generous to HRC:

July 23, 2014: The State Department reaches an agreement with the Benghazi committee about producing records for its investigation into the 2012 attack on a U.S. embassy in the Libyan city.

This one is odd. How about just raid her offices at 4am with a "no knock" and seize all computers? thats what they did to manafort and Cohen.

Oct. 28, 2014: The State Department sends an official letter to Clinton’s staff requesting "emails related to their government work." Clinton’s lawyer, David Kendall, and aide Cheryl Mills oversaw the review of Clinton’s email archives to produce work-related documents to the department.

This article forgets the "all." As in "all emails related to her work."

Dec. 5, 2014: Clinton’s team provides 55,000 pages of emails, or about 30,000 individual emails, to the State Department. Mills tells an employee at Platte River Networks, which managed the server, that Clinton does not need to retain any emails older than 60 days.

Mills "tells." tells huh??? really??? No email? no text? No nothing? just Mills "word" that she "told" an employee to delete emails? INteresting directive for subpoenaed documents. Or is this the word of the platte employee? Does it even matter??? because they both, Mills and this employee already granted immunity prior to questioning and establishing this timeline!!!!!!!!!! So neither can get "in trouble" anyway. Wonderful!!!! WHy dont all cops and AG's just grant immunity to everyone prior to questioning!!?? It seems to work really well to get the "truth."

March 2, 2015: The New York Times breaks the story that Clinton used a personal email account while secretary of state.

March 4, 2015: The Benghazi committee issues a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over all emails from her private server related to the incident in Libya.

. here's that subpeona again. Recall that the official request from the State department was already produced to CLinton to preserve "all work related emails." this would include any server private or official givernement, no? yeah, i think so.

Between March 25-31, 2015: The Platte River Networks employee has what he calls an "oh s---" moment, realizing he did not delete Clinton’s email archive, per Mills’ December 2014 request. The employee deletes the email archive using a software called BleachBit.

^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

The "oh sheet" moment!!!!!!! You cant make this up. He remembered what "mills told him." No record of this directive anywhere. Just his and mills "word." Which was manufactured after the fact because these 2 were questioned much later about all of this. oh yeah..."questioned" WITH PHUCKING " PRIOR IMMUNITY!!!!!" .

March 27, 2015: Clinton’s lawyers send a letter to the Benghazi committee saying that the State Department already has the relevant emails, as they were included in the Dec. 5, 2014, turnover.

This was a bold face lie. The douchebag above had already deleted thousands. over 30 effing thousand. And said Mills "told" him to do so before so he did it anyway after they were subpoenaed. Seriously. This happened. Zonker just referenced it. And this is the HRC friendly version of events. And its bold faced criminal behavior by everyone involved.

Trump’s timeline is correct. The congressional subpoena came on March 4, 2015, and an employee deleted the emails sometime after March 25, 2015, three weeks later.

. And there is phucking is in bold in your own godamnded article you quoted, dip shxt!~~!!!@#$%^&*&^%$#@ .

And they all conspired to cover up. From the private server to begin with. To not disclosing and turning over the emails on the private server even though "all work related emails were requested." To then attempting to destroy them. Based on "verbal" order. From Mills!!!!! All of which was discovered long after the fact. based on questioning where everyone involved. everyone!!!!!!! was given immunity prior to questioning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTFO ottta here with this bullshxt version of the law that applies to NO ONE ELSE ON THE ENTIRE planet besides those with friends in powerful places.

if Trump did any of these things he would already be impeached. FACT!!!

[gtn130]

oh we're still talking about Hillary sending work emails from her private account

[nate33]

oh we're still talking about Hillary sending work emails from her private account

Yes, because the overriding issue on the Trump investigation is the corruption within the FBI, DOJ, CIA and State Department. If those agencies are corrupt, how can they be expected to fairly investigate Trump without bias? The Hillary email scandal is Exhibit A in the corruption of the FBI/DOJ.