2023-2024 Regular Season Game 38: Orlando Magic (21-16) at Miami Heat (21-16) - 8pm

[richi_v25]

Can we all come together and agree we don't need to see anymore Fultz minutes

It's like playing with a handicap, and we're already playing with one with all the injuries we have

Nah cole was worse and black didn't show anything either.

[Optimus_Steel]

That is a team that went to the finals last year and won games without Bulter in the playoffs. They have an elite coaching staff, defense, and system/culture. It’s not an awful loss. It’s a tough loss.

It's a very bad loss to me.

Miami had zero offense tonight and frankly the only reason they even got to 99 points was based on how sloppy Orlando's transition and back cut defense was.

When the other team has no ball handlers and no shot creators and they still beat you, it's a really crappy loss.

You are understanding their ball handlers tonight and they are an elite defensive/grind it out team, they play a system that works exceptionally well. Was are not exactly blessed with superior ball handlers.

[Knightro]

Can we all come together and agree we don't need to see anymore Fultz minutes

It's like playing with a handicap, and we're already playing with one with all the injuries we have

They're just in a tough spot with Fultz. He doesn't fit with the starters for obvious reasons, but he also doesn't really work as a pairing with Cole off the bench either because of both of their respective limitations.

Feels like he and Cole are best suited for the same role ultimately, but there's only one backup PG slot available.

[GameOver25]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

[djguevara114]

Can we all come together and agree we don't need to see anymore Fultz minutes

It's like playing with a handicap, and we're already playing with one with all the injuries we have

Again, this is coaching IMO, Fultz has to have ball in his hands… He will leave and flourish… Our offense should really be simple, sit Houstan in corner, run P&R action with Fultz and Banchero and tell Fultz to just go do his thing… Instead we run the same action everytime… He passes ball up to big, uses screen to set a down screen for player in the corner and then sits in the corner… This is HORRIBLE COACHING…

[ogmagicfan]

Moritz spitting facts in the postgame. The Magic aren't really going through anything more than any other team does at stretches.

That's just life when you play 82 games in six months.

thats the correct mentality for players to have, next man up

but we absolutely get bit by the injury bug worse than vast majority of teams past couple years.

Does anyone have that diagram that i'd see posted on here last year showing teams with the most players out for games over the season, but for this year? it showed every team in the league

[thelead]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

Mosley looked pissed after that challenge.

They had like 3 minutes to review that play before deciding to challenge it... but it was CLEARLY off of AB. I don't know how that dude still has his job. It can't be that hard to check replays on an ipad.... pay has to be decent too...

[Optimus_Steel]

At this point January is all about surviving and grinding out some wins like Den and Atl and not getting in a deep hole. Then hopefully in the 2nd half of the season they can take advantage of what could be a favorable schedule and rack up wins.

[BlueBalls]

Okeke, Fultz, Anthony, Queen, Black and Houstan are liabilities. Freaking Okekekeke was -17. Franz, Carter, and Isaac would ordinarily usurp a lot of those minutes. Harris is out, but..no one cares. Black is young and is at least + defensively. Houstan only shot 33% tonight, but it felt like more because he hit 3 together in a spurt. He’s nowhere near enough of a + from the perimeter to make up for his liabilities everywhere else on the basketball court.

Would love to see what, if anything, we could get for a packing involving Okeke, Fultz, Cole & Wendell or Goga.

This team is going to be banged up all year. Not a bad idea to shop those guys and make a play for 2024/25. We’re a borderline .500 team this year and I’d hate to see them overpay for a Lavine type a year too early.

[Knightro]

You are understanding their ball handlers tonight and they are an elite defensive/grind it out team, they play a system that works exceptionally well. Was are not exactly blessed with superior ball handlers.

The Heat didn't really have a single player on the floor tonight capable of beating a defender off the dribble and creating a shot for themselves or someone else consistently.

When you play a team like that, and you're purportedly a capable defensive team, you gotta put them in a vice grip and beat them. No excuses.

Instead the Magic played lazy defensively and let the Heat vulture so many trash points in transition and on second chances and on back cuts after Magic defenders just totally fell asleep rather than being locked in.

With the personnel the Heat had available tonight, they should have scored like 85-90 points. The Magic gifted them so much with slop.

[ogmagicfan]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

It is, and I believe he lost a key assistant from last season.

Luckily Orlando is going to be an alot more attractive destination for assistant coaches this offseason with our play, youth, & potential. We need to get some top notch assistants badly

[Optimus_Steel]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

Mosley looked pissed after that challenge.

They had like 3 minutes to review that play before deciding to challenge it... but it was CLEARLY off of AB. I don't know how that dude still has his job. It can't be that hard to check replays on an ipad.... pay has to be decent too...

Baseline angle looked like off Bam but the side angle was clear off AB. And they had plenty of time to review that one as they waited ….it may or may have not helped but we keep making it more difficult on ourselves not having that timeout.

[BlueBalls]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

Absolutely. He needs a better staff around him. He’s not a great x’s and o’s guy but I think his personality is a great fit with this group.

[BlueBalls]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

It is, and I believe he lost a key assistant from last season.

Luckily Orlando is going to be an alot more attractive destination for assistant coaches this offseason with our play, youth, & potential. We need to get some top notch assistants badly

He did - that asst took a head coaching position in the WBNA.

[SOUL]

Nothing. You’re the only one putting it in that context.

I'm not talking about strictly tonight, if a team loses there can always be improved upon everything. The best coaches of all time have plenty of nights where they get outschemed. I'm sure MIami fans would be critical if they lost and the ball didn't slip out of Paolo's hands/we hit FT's.. they didn't play great offensively tonight.

But the general statement of being super critical of Mose's X's and O's should mean a direct implication that our roster is capable of way better schemes and he's holding them back from a better offense.

In my mind, if people are critical of that, it means that they think that the team, with 4-6 rotation guys injured and us playing a lot of 3rd stringers, no healthy quality point guard, and people in and out of the lineup all the time.. is being held back by a bad offensive system instead of the personnel just not being very good. In my mind, it can't be both.. if you are critical of the coaching to that extent, then there should be an equal belief in the personnel being good enough to incorporate a better offense.

What we're actually seeing is coach actively adapt to the personnel we have. Playing more three point shooters means we're shooting more threes and our threes are looking better because of that. The tradeoff is that we suck inside now because Franz isn't around.

It shows me if you give him actual volume shooters who are vets and dependable, that our offense would look a lot more smooth. Shows me if you have a vet point-forward ball-handler in Ingles, that he'll be utilized well.

The rest are sadly growing pains because we have Paolo, still learning his efficiencies, a bunch of young guys who are streaky shooters, vets who are consistently injured/can't shoot/have broken hands, and then maybe a few reliable guys.

I don't think he's an offensive genius, he's definitely middle of the pack or lower, but the cupboard is pretty damn bare for what is available most nights + two young stars learning the game.

[ogmagicfan]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

Mosley looked pissed after that challenge.

They had like 3 minutes to review that play before deciding to challenge it... but it was CLEARLY off of AB. I don't know how that dude still has his job. It can't be that hard to check replays on an ipad.... pay has to be decent too...

when I went to the Wiz Magic game and the assistant went 2/2 on challenges, Ingles clapped it up and got the team & section behind the bench to join, but it did feel like a thinly veiled mockery because how many games have we gone 2/2 on challenges?

The team knows, hopefully we make a change by next season

[Knightro]

Does anyone else feel like Mosley coaching staff is underwhelming?

It is, and I believe he lost a key assistant from last season.

Luckily Orlando is going to be an alot more attractive destination for assistant coaches this offseason with our play, youth, & potential. We need to get some top notch assistants badly

I would be very surprised if the front office or Mosley feels like changes are needed on the staff.

We can certainly debate if this is a good thing or not, but I genuinely believe everyone in the organization from ownership down to coaches are as pleased as can be with this season regardless of how rough this January stretch may get.

I'd be willing to bet that if you asked Weltman or anyone in the DeVos family, they'd tell you with giddiness how "ahead of schedule" they are.

[Optimus_Steel]

You are understanding their ball handlers tonight and they are an elite defensive/grind it out team, they play a system that works exceptionally well. Was are not exactly blessed with superior ball handlers.

The Heat didn't really have a single player on the floor tonight capable of beating a defender off the dribble and creating a shot for themselves or someone else consistently.

When you play a team like that, and you're purportedly a capable defensive team, you gotta put them in a vice grip and beat them. No excuses.

Instead the Magic played lazy defensively and let the Heat vulture so many trash points in transition and on second chances and on back cuts after Magic defenders just totally fell asleep rather than being locked in.

With the personnel the Heat had available tonight, they should have scored like 85-90 points. The Magic gifted them so much with slop.

Miami has an elite coaching staff, system, defense, and culture and they just know how to grind out every last ounce of potential production. They’ve been doing for years, this is not surprising…

[SOUL]

I'd be willing to bet that if you asked Weltman or anyone in the DeVos family, they'd tell you with giddiness how "ahead of schedule" they are.

And they'd be right!

(When our team isn't decimated by injuries).

They've got to keep their end of the bargain up by providing the coaches available players or a glimpse into team-building philosophy beyond this year.

[ogmagicfan]

Can we all come together and agree we don't need to see anymore Fultz minutes

It's like playing with a handicap, and we're already playing with one with all the injuries we have

Nah cole was worse and black didn't show anything either.

theres no denying all the PGs struggled, but im not referring to this game, im referring to all his play since he's came back

Turning down open 3's, missing the majority of fts, not a threat apart from going to the rim

on a team that was already practically the worse 3 pt shooting team in the league, he doesnt fit