The Gordon Hayward Thread

[MasterIchiro]

Utah has already stated that they plan on matching Charlottes offer so to continue talking about him is almost pointless.

I think Charlotte will go hard after Parsons and Stephenson next.

C'mon LP, have a little fun. In 2007 or 2008, the Yankees front office swore publicly they would let Alex Rodriguez walk if he opted out of his contract. He opted out and his agent got ahold of the owner and worked a 10 year, 275 million deal when Alex was 32 years old.

What's my point?

What a front office/organization says in public doesn't always reveal their true intentions.

Im just going by what their beat writer said. I hope they don't match, but Im tempering my expectations.

Their beat writer is merely echoing ownerships public stance. So I still hold out hope that Cho will find the right moment to initiate a sign + trade (unless they've been negotiating all along).

[mrknowitall215]

Utah has already stated that they plan on matching Charlottes offer so to continue talking about him is almost pointless.

I think Charlotte will go hard after Parsons and Stephenson next.

Until I see Utah match it, I refuse to believe it. They have enough talent on their roster at the wing already. They can lose without Hayward. No need to add his $16 million contract to continue being bottom feeders in the Western Conference

Jazz have 24 million in cap room, and unlike our beat writer their beat writer actually does work and has already spoken to the organization and has been told that they will match Charlottes offer. So unless that changes in the next 24 hours then they will probably match.

I hope you're right. I don't want Charlotte to swallow this treadmill pill. Hopefully Utah don't change their stance on wanting to match within the next 48 hours and do so

[Liver_Pooty]

C'mon LP, have a little fun. In 2007 or 2008, the Yankees front office swore publicly they would let Alex Rodriguez walk if he opted out of his contract. He opted out and his agent got ahold of the owner and worked a 10 year, 275 million deal when Alex was 32 years old.

What's my point?

What a front office/organization says in public doesn't always reveal their true intentions.

Im just going by what their beat writer said. I hope they don't match, but Im tempering my expectations.

Their beat writer is merely echoing ownerships public stance. So I still hold out hope that Cho will find the right moment to initiate a sign + trade (unless they've been negotiating all along).

I was reading somewhere last night that after the tv negotiations and all of that hoopla that the new salary cap could rise up to 85-90 million. If that was to occur than this contract will be just fine for either us or the Jazz. I also read thats the main reason that Utah has no problem matching at all, and is a reason for all of the overpays the past week.

[LofJ]

C'mon LP, have a little fun. In 2007 or 2008, the Yankees front office swore publicly they would let Alex Rodriguez walk if he opted out of his contract. He opted out and his agent got ahold of the owner and worked a 10 year, 275 million deal when Alex was 32 years old.

What's my point?

What a front office/organization says in public doesn't always reveal their true intentions.

Im just going by what their beat writer said. I hope they don't match, but Im tempering my expectations.

Their beat writer is merely echoing ownerships public stance. So I still hold out hope that Cho will find the right moment to initiate a sign + trade (unless they've been negotiating all along).

We won't initiate a sign and trade, that's why we included the trade kicker.

[ARHornet]

Hopefully if Utah matches they will do it quickly so we don't waste 3 more days sitting around doing nothing.

[Liver_Pooty]

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[MasterIchiro]

Im just going by what their beat writer said. I hope they don't match, but Im tempering my expectations.

Their beat writer is merely echoing ownerships public stance. So I still hold out hope that Cho will find the right moment to initiate a sign + trade (unless they've been negotiating all along).

I was reading somewhere last night that after the tv negotiations and all of that hoopla that the new salary cap could rise up to 85-90 million. If that was to occur than this contract will be just fine for either us or the Jazz. I also read thats the main reason that Utah has no problem matching at all, and is a reason for all of the overpays the past week.

Point blank, "We will match any offer" translates to "You must offer us compensation if you want our franchise guy".

It's up to Cho to compel their front office not to match. He too knows about the same potential for a higher cap. He should know damn well, damn well that he can't add Hayward without coughing up assets. Also, I don't believe the expectation in Cho's office is that we will add Hayward without sending out salary. If we do, our space shrinks from 19.5 (blackoutbobcat's figure) to something like 5 after Hayward. That's an incredibly skimpy amount of space to navigate this market and we have plenty of work to do still.

Sign + trade is my prediction. If Utah doesn't like the offer, we move onto Parsons or possibly Parsons/Lin. But look at those Celtics, they just added another 1st to their cache, this time from the Cavs. They now have multiple picks from the Nets + Clippers + Cavs to bring in Parsons/Lin, shift Smart to co-PG with Lin and ship out Rondon in a 3-way for Love.

The Celtics have a mountain to climb with all that work.

Bosh to the Rockets is the key domino.

[JDR720]

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Great news for us, now its either Jazz match, or Gordon is ours

[MasterIchiro]

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Eh, it's just ownership negotiating through the press. I insist. They're posturing. The message is Cho must go to them to offer compensation. I won't believe anything is definitive until I hear Cho approached them and was shot down. Cho would leak that nugget in the aftermath to communicate an extra added effort to obtain Hayward.

[LofJ]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

[RichBoy923]

Not sure we have much to offer without setting us back. I can't think of a trade that would be worthwhile for the Jazz.

I think we'd much rather just sign him, even if it means overpaying for him.

[Dancingpanda]

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Eh, it's just ownership negotiating through the press. I insist. They're posturing. The message is Cho must go to them to offer compensation. I won't believe anything is definitive until I hear Cho approached them and was shot down. Cho would leak that nugget in the aftermath to communicate an extra added effort to obtain Hayward.

Giving up assets on top of paying Hayward that Gigantic Contract would be plain terrible. This is Cho going after the guy he wants, forcing Utah to make a decision and preventing them from jerking him around. The first couple of quite days were to feel out the market. We have the upper hand at the moment, no way we trade players (unless its Hendo or Neal)

[BeesWax]

I am fine with this signing. If we get him I am fine with it and if the Jazz match I am fine with it. I am worried that even if we get him we took a step backward. Adding him without moving Henderson means we won't have a starter at PF since we don't have money to spend. Also worried about the backup PG spot. We really needed the sign and trade to preserve some cap room for those two big holes.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

Offer sheet is completely separate. If we reach a S&T agreement it'll be an entirely new contract, probably without the trade kicker. Plus we can't pay him more than his max anyway.

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[LofJ]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

Offer sheet is completely separate. If we reach a S&T agreement it'll be an entirely new contract, probably without the trade kicker. Plus we can't pay him more than his max anyway.

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That's true, I keep forgetting that it's not the 10th yet. Guess I still have to worry that we might do something really stupid like sending them MKG.

[vorbis]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

Offer sheet is completely separate. If we reach a S&T agreement it'll be an entirely new contract, probably without the trade kicker. Plus we can't pay him more than his max anyway.

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yes, but if he actually signs an offer sheet then all this is moot and he's getting that contract. either from the Hornets or the Jazz.

[MasterIchiro]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

The Jazz have 2 options.

1) Sign and trade by midnight tonight
2) Match within 3 days after midnight tonight

The Hornets job was to make option 2 as painful as possible to give the Jazz every bit of incentive to go to option 1.

Losing Hayward for nothing is not an option for the Jazz.

And Charlotte knows this.

[Liver_Pooty]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

Offer sheet is completely separate. If we reach a S&T agreement it'll be an entirely new contract, probably without the trade kicker. Plus we can't pay him more than his max anyway.

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That's true, I keep forgetting that it's not the 10th yet. Guess I still have to worry that we might do something really stupid like sending them MKG.

Clock is ticking. They have a little over 12 hours to talk and do a sign and trade.

Doubt they do it, but crazier stuff has happened.

[BeesWax]

Again, if we were interested in doing a sign and trade we wouldn't have included a trade kicker in the deal. That would end up costing MJ even more money for no added benefit to us.

Offer sheet is completely separate. If we reach a S&T agreement it'll be an entirely new contract, probably without the trade kicker. Plus we can't pay him more than his max anyway.

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yes, but if he actually signs an offer sheet then all this is moot and he's getting that contract. either from the Hornets or the Jazz.

True but this could just be a threat to Utah. If they think we will offer this and they are afraid to match it they may want to sign and trade. This way they get something out of it and save face. It also tilts the trade power some into our favor if they really don't like the contract.

[Joest2003]

The truth has plenty of game left and would be a perfect fit for our team. We would all benefit if he took MKG under his wing

'The Truth' is better than Hayward right now at one-third of the price

Make it happen cho, then sign lance and were lookin real good.