OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump

[Jeff Van Gully]

I love the classic Trumpers deflection....but Hillary?!

it's actually derailing and won't be accepted.

[thebuzzardman]

Your response is the the only "such a bad take" here pally boy.

I guess you can't appeal to the unbiased, unfiltered, common sense, bipartisan crowd without sycophantic, demagogue wannabes like yourself giving horrible, dumb takes. if you're registered as anything other than an independent you're not allowed to talk.

Let's see, not that I care to or am the least bit required to name ANYTHING, BUT:

Benghazi
Emails
Whitewater
Misuse of Clinton Foundation
Proponent of terrible criminal justice platform in 90's which disproportionately hurt minorities
Enabling Sexual Assault by Bill
Likely War Crimes

Does being a stone-faced, sociopathic c unt count?

It's not a "take." If you're not intelligent enough to know what Clinton's done in her lifetime than you are blinded by idiocy and fangirlism.

It's an amazingly accurate depiction of both candidates, synthesized for public consumption on a message board with low IQ people such as yourself.

You forgot:
Uranium one
Vince Foster
Seth Rich
Pizzagate

I just want you to point all the criminal indictments filed against Hillary Clinton. Because she's obviously corrupt as Trump. I thought you needed actual evidence or proof in this thread. But what do I know I'm supposedly a low IQ fangirl

Trump's had criminal indictments? lol WHAT?????

N*gga, they've both been investigated by the same guy for similar allegations of illegalities, civil and criminal. trump's just got a big mouth and a big ego.

it's astonishing children like you can't be objective and fair and admit this. clinton is one of the most well-known corrupt political figures in recent history. wtf are you talking about? i need facts to establish ESTABLISHED FACTS????

her email scandal ALONE should be enough for you to label her crooked. doubt you delved deep into what she did, aside from leave a gaping, giant hole for national security.

thought you needed proof in this thread. b/c all you've done is pontificate and failed to disprove or negate anything i've said. classic spin. don't reply to me if you're going to behave like a child.

She's part of the culture of corruption that has infested Washington DC for nearly 40 years, though has really taken off in the last 10.

You're on to something where it's taken people as incredibly boldly ignorant and/or greedy like Trump and Manafort etc, for there to be any traction in getting any of them to see jail time.

That doesn't change the facts of the pretty obvious criminality in people AROUND Trump, though not Trump specifically. Yet.

Hopefully, somehow, Hilary will get her day(s) in court. For now, I'll settle on Trump.

I'm going to point out that you assume anyone who dislikes Trump is a Hilary nut hugger (pun intentional). I know for me, personally, that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Though the article skews more "anti Trump" about 3/4's of the way through, I'd say the first 3/4's is a relatively subjective take on the culture of corruption in DC. This is far from the first accounts I've read on the subject, from "left, right and center" publications

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trump-manafort-cohen-corruption/568111/

Tuesday’s conviction of Paul Manafort, President Donald Trump’s former campaign chair, and the plea deal reached by Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen represent a stark divergence from the historical norm. In the United States, few people of Cohen’s or Manafort’s wealth, status, and political connections are ever convicted of anything.

As with so many things, Trump’s bombast, unrestrained self-interest, and delusional relationship with facts have brought to their natural conclusion the absurdities of an American system that has so often enriched the few at the expense of the very many. Manafort and Cohen most likely believed they would never face justice for their crimes, because the American criminal-justice system so rarely prosecutes men like them for the crimes they commit. Yet by Tuesday evening, the president’s former campaign chair had been convicted of tax and bank fraud, and the president’s former attorney had told prosecutors that Trump had told him to violate campaign-finance law by paying hush money to women with whom Trump had extramarital affairs.

The American justice system has consistently rewarded the corruption of the wealthy and politically connected, whether your name is Bob McDonnell or Bob Menendez, whether you’re a financial institution responsible for an economic calamity that turned millions of Americans out of their homes or a credit-rating agency that fails to take minimal efforts to protect the private information of consumers with little say over how that agency does business. The Roberts Court has all but legalized the bribery of politicians, an act that has served the corrupt of all political persuasions.

What Trump has done, by consistently defending his criminal associates, and by attacking the prosecutions as politically motivated or corrupt, is make the implicit obvious: Regular people go to prison; rich or connected people do whatever they want. At least most of the time. The surprise is not that Trump surrounded himself with advisers who committed crimes, or that Trump himself encouraged his advisers to flout the law. The surprise is the mere possibility that any of them will pay for it.

[dakomish23]

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My Attorney Got Arrested

[Clyde_Style]

Trump can't pardon Cohen, he was convicted by the state, not federal and Trump's pardon power is only for federal crimes. This is why Muller handed off the investigation to NY, so Trump couldn't use it on him.

As I understand it, Cohen was charged by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

The Southern District is Federal. Think of it as field offices for the US attorney (DOJ). People often mistaken the Southern District as the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, which is a state/local DA's office, are located just across the street from each other.

Mueller has the full powers of the DOJ behind him. Sessions recused himself and basically whatever he needs goes through Rosenstein who is clearly facilitating the special counsel. So not everything Mueller does is run by his own dedicated team. He has other branches he can make referrals to as he did in the case of Cohen. Mueller is the kingpin though and he has the resources to do what he needs to accomplish and can delegate to the DOJ provided Rod gives his blessings.

What should be clear though is the NY State AG is collaborating with Mueller and shares their info with the feds, so in Cohen's case they probably had a fair amount of unofficial involvement anyway considering they have filing cabinets bulging with intel on the financcial crimes of the Trumps and their associates.

[Clyde_Style]

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I'm not sure what the current status of the effort is, but I understood Cuomo was going to introduce legislation that cements this as protocol in NY State.

[Clyde_Style]

It’s Cohen to be a good day

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or

John Dowd

or

Ty Cobb

or

RUDY GIULIANI

Another day, another tweet

[Dave DaButcher]

A good summary of the state of play:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2018/08/22/daily-202-a-terrible-day-for-trump-could-foretell-more-bad-days-to-come/5b7c96cf1b326b7234392acd/?utm_term=.c0dd0ca47b87

[NoLayupRule]

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Paraphrasing the great Bugs Bunny...at least 240 years is not forever.

that judge was remarkably hostile to the prosecution

it'll be interesting to see what kind of sentence he hands down

I don't think that CNN number is correct. From what I remember, the potential max sentence for all 18 counts combined was 305 years. He was not convicted of the 5 counts of bank fraud conspiracy or 2 of the 4 counts of bank fraud, each of which carry a max of 30 years. I believe the correct number, based on his 8 convictions, is 80 years -- 3 years each for the 5 counts of false income tax returns, 5 years for the 1 count of failing to file a foreign bank account report, and 30 years each for the 2 counts of bank fraud.

It's extremely unlikely that he will receive an 80 year sentence, especially from this judge. I'm hearing something like 10-20 years is more realistic. Still, at Manafort's age, anything over 10 years is significant.

And he is still facing another trial in DC.

On msnbc they suggested 7-9 years and the prosecutors probably wouldn’t retry the hung charges

It’s enough for leverage with the pending trial

We shall see though

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

that judge was remarkably hostile to the prosecution

it'll be interesting to see what kind of sentence he hands down

I don't think that CNN number is correct. From what I remember, the potential max sentence for all 18 counts combined was 305 years. He was not convicted of the 5 counts of bank fraud conspiracy or 2 of the 4 counts of bank fraud, each of which carry a max of 30 years. I believe the correct number, based on his 8 convictions, is 80 years -- 3 years each for the 5 counts of false income tax returns, 5 years for the 1 count of failing to file a foreign bank account report, and 30 years each for the 2 counts of bank fraud.

It's extremely unlikely that he will receive an 80 year sentence, especially from this judge. I'm hearing something like 10-20 years is more realistic. Still, at Manafort's age, anything over 10 years is significant.

And he is still facing another trial in DC.

On msnbc they suggested 7-9 years and the prosecutors probably wouldn’t retry the hung charges

It’s enough for leverage with the pending trial

We shall see though

Yeah, the Washington Post is now saying 7-10 years under federal sentencing guidelines, citing legal experts.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't think that CNN number is correct. From what I remember, the potential max sentence for all 18 counts combined was 305 years. He was not convicted of the 5 counts of bank fraud conspiracy or 2 of the 4 counts of bank fraud, each of which carry a max of 30 years. I believe the correct number, based on his 8 convictions, is 80 years -- 3 years each for the 5 counts of false income tax returns, 5 years for the 1 count of failing to file a foreign bank account report, and 30 years each for the 2 counts of bank fraud.

It's extremely unlikely that he will receive an 80 year sentence, especially from this judge. I'm hearing something like 10-20 years is more realistic. Still, at Manafort's age, anything over 10 years is significant.

And he is still facing another trial in DC.

On msnbc they suggested 7-9 years and the prosecutors probably wouldn’t retry the hung charges

It’s enough for leverage with the pending trial

We shall see though

Yeah, the Washington Post is now saying 7-10 years under federal sentencing guidelines, citing legal experts.

That's plenty of incentive to cooperate.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

On msnbc they suggested 7-9 years and the prosecutors probably wouldn’t retry the hung charges

It’s enough for leverage with the pending trial

We shall see though

Yeah, the Washington Post is now saying 7-10 years under federal sentencing guidelines, citing legal experts.

That's plenty of incentive to cooperate.

Yes, especially for someone who is 69 years old, and still faces another trial in DC for other crimes.

[Clyde_Style]

So touching to see the bond between two great men expressed with such authenticity

Trump Praises Manafort for Refusing to ‘Break,’ Unlike Cohen, His Former Fixer

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/trump-cohen-manafort.html

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Donnie sounds desperate

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[KnoxOnWood]

Aside from that George Sr. pic (epic, I LOL'D), the funny thing is that it doesn't have to be one thing or the other. This is past politics.

It's not mutually exclusive to say that Hillary is a crooked b*tch while in the same breath admitting that Trump is a traitor. They're both objectively awful people. Both deserve prison. One just has better bed-side manner.

She's been investigated more than once and came out clean. And her campaign manager, personal lawyer or foreign policy advisors have not gotten into any trouble either.

That's right, tell us that is the same as treason. Well done.

Oh, and welcome back Bill Pidto

Not Bill Pidto. Ask a mod to verify my ip address, BITCH.

Also, "coming out clean" is not equivalent to innocence. OJ Simpson, your black brethren, came out "clean."

I notice a lot of you amateur political pundits tend to use strawman arguments and sophistry.

That's right, tell us that war crimes in Libya is NOT as bad as treason. Well done, ma'am.

[Clyde_Style]

Aside from that George Sr. pic (epic, I LOL'D), the funny thing is that it doesn't have to be one thing or the other. This is past politics.

It's not mutually exclusive to say that Hillary is a crooked b*tch while in the same breath admitting that Trump is a traitor. They're both objectively awful people. Both deserve prison. One just has better bed-side manner.

She's been investigated more than once and came out clean. And her campaign manager, personal lawyer or foreign policy advisors have not gotten into any trouble either.

That's right, tell us that is the same as treason. Well done.

Oh, and welcome back Bill Pidto

Not Bill Pidto. Ask a mod to verify my ip address, BITCH.

Also, "coming out clean" is not equivalent to innocence. OJ Simpson, your black brethren, came out "clean."

I notice a lot of you amateur political pundits tend to use strawman arguments and sophistry.

That's right, tell us that war crimes in Libya is NOT as bad as treason. Well done, ma'am.

You can start picking your next username with posts like that

[KnoxOnWood]

You forgot:
Uranium one
Vince Foster
Seth Rich
Pizzagate

I just want you to point all the criminal indictments filed against Hillary Clinton. Because she's obviously corrupt as Trump. I thought you needed actual evidence or proof in this thread. But what do I know I'm supposedly a low IQ fangirl

Trump's had criminal indictments? lol WHAT?????

N*gga, they've both been investigated by the same guy for similar allegations of illegalities, civil and criminal. trump's just got a big mouth and a big ego.

it's astonishing children like you can't be objective and fair and admit this. clinton is one of the most well-known corrupt political figures in recent history. wtf are you talking about? i need facts to establish ESTABLISHED FACTS????

her email scandal ALONE should be enough for you to label her crooked. doubt you delved deep into what she did, aside from leave a gaping, giant hole for national security.

thought you needed proof in this thread. b/c all you've done is pontificate and failed to disprove or negate anything i've said. classic spin. don't reply to me if you're going to behave like a child.

Okay so what was the end result of the email investigation. You should be able to point me towards all the charges filed against her since she's a well known criminal.

Show me all the charges filed against the Wall Street tycoons that caused the 2008 housing market crash, since they're well known criminals.

I'll wait...

[KnoxOnWood]

She's been investigated more than once and came out clean. And her campaign manager, personal lawyer or foreign policy advisors have not gotten into any trouble either.

That's right, tell us that is the same as treason. Well done.

Oh, and welcome back Bill Pidto

Not Bill Pidto. Ask a mod to verify my ip address, BITCH.

Also, "coming out clean" is not equivalent to innocence. OJ Simpson, your black brethren, came out "clean."

I notice a lot of you amateur political pundits tend to use strawman arguments and sophistry.

That's right, tell us that war crimes in Libya is NOT as bad as treason. Well done, ma'am.

You can start picking your next username with posts like that

Don't care. You're a troll. And an old one at that. Also, I won't join this site again. Why would I ? Low class, low IQ clowns like you is not good online company to keep.

Only Buzzardman has shown ANY decency so far. Also, you're a known racist.

[KnoxOnWood]

Hey remember when Hillary Clinton was named as an unindicted co conspirator in a criminal case? Yeah me neither.

Hey remember when Hillary Clinton has been investigated so many times it defies logic?

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She's corrupt as the day is long.

And guess what precious, butthurt snowflake - so is Trump. Stop conflating the 2 issues.

[Clyde_Style]

Not Bill Pidto. Ask a mod to verify my ip address, BITCH.

Also, "coming out clean" is not equivalent to innocence. OJ Simpson, your black brethren, came out "clean."

I notice a lot of you amateur political pundits tend to use strawman arguments and sophistry.

That's right, tell us that war crimes in Libya is NOT as bad as treason. Well done, ma'am.

You can start picking your next username with posts like that

Don't care. You're a troll. And an old one at that. Also, I won't join this site again. Why would I ? Low class, low IQ clowns like you is not good online company to keep.

Only Buzzardman has shown ANY decency so far. Also, you're a known racist.

[thebuzzardman]

So touching to see the bond between two great men expressed with such authenticity

Trump Praises Manafort for Refusing to ‘Break,’ Unlike Cohen, His Former Fixer

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/22/us/politics/trump-cohen-manafort.html

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Donnie sounds desperate

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[thebuzzardman]

Trump's had criminal indictments? lol WHAT?????

N*gga, they've both been investigated by the same guy for similar allegations of illegalities, civil and criminal. trump's just got a big mouth and a big ego.

it's astonishing children like you can't be objective and fair and admit this. clinton is one of the most well-known corrupt political figures in recent history. wtf are you talking about? i need facts to establish ESTABLISHED FACTS????

her email scandal ALONE should be enough for you to label her crooked. doubt you delved deep into what she did, aside from leave a gaping, giant hole for national security.

thought you needed proof in this thread. b/c all you've done is pontificate and failed to disprove or negate anything i've said. classic spin. don't reply to me if you're going to behave like a child.

Okay so what was the end result of the email investigation. You should be able to point me towards all the charges filed against her since she's a well known criminal.

Show me all the charges filed against the Wall Street tycoons that caused the 2008 housing market crash, since they're well known criminals.

I'll wait...

More people who should have gone to jail. More failings from the collective Washington establishment.

Again, I'll settle for the initial takedown of the most guilty, least subtle group of people and hope there are still those in DC, and the country collectively (since it would take more populist anger than the country seems capable of mustering) who have the balls to go and get the wider corruption.